Addicted to diet coke.. help :(
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I live in San Diego and our water is not very good. I've got to sneak up on the stuff.0
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Lost over 200 lbs and I am a cokeaholic
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?
There are no toxins in diet coke.
Just the excitotoxins unless those are mythological.
Explain what you mean. Perhaps might want to look up what toxin means.0 -
We kicked the habit though we still enjoy it once or twice a week... That's down from probably drinking a 2 liter also day between the two of us. I went through about 5 days of severe withdrawal headaches, but now I can enjoy it once a week without craving it all the time like I used to.
My skin has never looked better since quitting it though. If you have lots of breakouts... Maybe that's a good incentive.0 -
If I could pick one thing of all the things on the planet to be "addicted" to then I'd pick Diet Coke (okay, Coke Zero if we're getting picky, but whatever). Seriously, zero calories, pretty cheap, and it helps keep you awake. Definitely not something to go to the methadone clinic over . . .2
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OP, I drink tea. Didn't like it until I wanted flavoring for my water. Now I have some with a little caffeine and a lot of taste. Coconut chai, Caramel chai, chocolate chai, Apple/Cinnamon, tangerine/cinnamon and so many more. They're all green tea or black tea based.1
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?
There are no toxins in diet coke.
Just the excitotoxins unless those are mythological.
Explain what you mean. Perhaps might want to look up what toxin means.
Looked it up myself, you have got to be joking. Excitotoxins are anything that can stimulate neurons and can therefore lead to damage through overstimulation if there is an excess of them. Things that are excitotoxins include amino acids, the fundamental building block of all proteins.
Aspartame is a dipeptide of two amino acids with a methylester attached. Therefore I guess it contains an "Excitotoxin" in the case that it contains something that can stimulate neurons in the form of an amino acid.
Of course, that said, so does absolutely anything that contains protein.
So the metabolic products of aspartame are aspartate,phenylalanine and methanol in a 4:5:1 ratio. . As with any protein aspartame is hydrolized in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. [citation: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440701516184]. No aspartame enters your blood intact.
One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol. So a total of 72+90 or 162miligrams of amino acids. In comparison a chicken breast contains 24 grams of amino acids, or about 150 times as much.
So as far as "excitotoxins" are concerned a chicken breast has 150 times more than a can of coke.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?
There are no toxins in diet coke.
Just the excitotoxins unless those are mythological.
So I looked up excitotoxins and they are any class of molecule that can stimulate neurons. Overstimulation of neurons can cause damage. So happens that amino acids, the common building block of all protein, are in this class.
Aspartame is just a methylated ester of a dipeptide of two amino acids, phenylalanine and aspartate. As with any protein aspartame is hydrolized in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. [citation: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440701516184]. No aspartame enters your blood intact.
How much of each metabolite do you get from ingesting one diet soda?
So the metabolic products of aspartame are aspartate,phenylalanine and methanol in a 4:5:1 ratio. One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol.
Doing the math that means from one can of diet coke you'd get 162 mg or 0.162 grams of amino acids or "excitotoxins" from your diet coke.
In comparison a small chicken breast has 24 grams of protein and therefore 24 grams of amino acids or "excitotoxins" in it, which is 150 times more than in the can of coke.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?
There are no toxins in diet coke.
Just the excitotoxins unless those are mythological.
So I looked up "Excitotoxins" and they are any class of molecule that can stimulate neurons. Overstimulation of neurons can cause neural damage. As it so happens, amino acids...the common building blocks of all proteins, are within this class of molecules.
Aspartame itself is a methylester of a dipeptide of two amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, also common to all proteins.
As with any protein, aspartame is hydrolized in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. citation: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440701516184
No aspartame enters your blood intact.
How much of each metabolite do you get from ingesting one diet soda?
So the metabolic products of aspartame are aspartate,phenylalanine and methanol in a 4:5:1 ratio. One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol. That means you get a total of 162mg or 0.162 grams of amino acids (or "excitotoxins" from a can of diet coke.
How does this compare to other sources of protein, like say chicken? A chicken breast contains 24 grams of protein so 24 grams of amino acids or put another way 24 grams of "excitotoxins". That is 150 times more than in the can of diet coke.
So if aspartame is a "toxin" because it is comprised of amino acids which are excitotoxins and that apparently makes it "toxic" then chicken breast is 150 times more toxic than a can of diet coke.
In fact by this definition basically anything you eat is toxic.
That is why that is not the definition of toxic.4 -
So I looked up "Excitotoxins" and they are any class of molecule that can stimulate neurons. Overstimulation of neurons can cause neural damage. As it so happens, amino acids...the common building blocks of all proteins, are within this class of molecules.
Aspartame itself is a methylester of a dipeptide of two amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, also common to all proteins.
As with any protein, aspartame is hydrolyzed in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. citation: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440701516184
That means that no aspartame enters your blood intact considering the ADME properties of a dipeptide. In fact all measures of levels in blood after injestion return zero as shown in the above citation.
How much of each metabolite do you get from ingesting one diet soda?
One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol. That means you get a total of 162mg or 0.162 grams of amino acids (or "excitotoxins" from a can of diet coke.
How does this compare to other sources of protein, like say chicken? A chicken breast contains 24 grams of protein so 24 grams of amino acids or put another way 24 grams of "excitotoxins". That is 150 times more than in the can of diet coke.
So if aspartame is a "toxin" because it is comprised of amino acids which are excitotoxins and that apparently makes it "toxic" then chicken breast is 150 times more toxic than a can of diet coke.
In fact by this definition basically anything you eat is toxic because almost everything you eat contains some amount of protein. Also your daily recommended intake of 80 grams of protein is apparently recommending you injest a whole lot of "toxins" by this definition.
That is why that is not the definition of toxic.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Huh, how come I can't post anymore
Whatcha do?0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?
There are no toxins in diet coke.
Just the excitotoxins unless those are mythological.
So I looked up "Excitotoxins" and they are any class of molecule that can stimulate neurons. Overstimulation of neurons can cause neural damage. As it so happens, amino acids...the common building blocks of all proteins, are within this class of molecules...ie amino acids are excitotoxins.
Aspartame itself is a methylester of a dipeptide of two amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, also common to all proteins.
As with any protein, aspartame is hydrolized in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. citation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
No aspartame enters your blood intact, only its metabolic products.
How much of each metabolite do you get from ingesting one diet soda?
So the metabolic products of aspartame are aspartate,phenylalanine and methanol in a 4:5:1 ratio. One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol. That means you get a total of 162mg or 0.162 grams of amino acids (or "excitotoxins") from a can of diet coke.
How does this compare to other sources of protein, like say chicken? A chicken breast contains 24 grams of protein so 24 grams of amino acids or put another way 24 grams of "excitotoxins". That is 150 times more than in the can of diet coke.
So if aspartame is a "toxin" because it is comprised of amino acids which are excitotoxins and that apparently makes it "toxic" then chicken breast is 150 times more toxic than a can of diet coke.
In fact by this definition basically anything you eat is toxic considering almost everything you eat contains protein. In fact you wouldn't survive without protein.
That, by the way, is why that is not the definition of toxin.6 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Huh, how come I can't post anymore
Whatcha do?
Apparently it didn't like the link I gave in my citation so I got to it via a different way and then I could post. Weird, I was just linking direct to the journal Critical Reviews of Toxicology and apparently that is bad, I went through PubMed instead.0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?
There are no toxins in diet coke.
Just the excitotoxins unless those are mythological.
So I looked up "Excitotoxins" and they are any class of molecule that can stimulate neurons. Overstimulation of neurons can cause neural damage. As it so happens, amino acids...the common building blocks of all proteins, are within this class of molecules...ie amino acids are excitotoxins.
Aspartame itself is a methylester of a dipeptide of two amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, also common to all proteins.
As with any protein, aspartame is hydrolized in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. citation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671
No aspartame enters your blood intact, only its metabolic products.
How much of each metabolite do you get from ingesting one diet soda?
So the metabolic products of aspartame are aspartate,phenylalanine and methanol in a 4:5:1 ratio. One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol. That means you get a total of 162mg or 0.162 grams of amino acids (or "excitotoxins") from a can of diet coke.
How does this compare to other sources of protein, like say chicken? A chicken breast contains 24 grams of protein so 24 grams of amino acids or put another way 24 grams of "excitotoxins". That is 150 times more than in the can of diet coke.
So if aspartame is a "toxin" because it is comprised of amino acids which are excitotoxins and that apparently makes it "toxic" then chicken breast is 150 times more toxic than a can of diet coke.
In fact by this definition basically anything you eat is toxic considering almost everything you eat contains protein. In fact you wouldn't survive without protein.
That, by the way, is why that is not the definition of toxic.
I love it when people rely upon science rather than woo and mythology.7 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Huh, how come I can't post anymore
Whatcha do?
Apparently it didn't like the link I gave in my citation so I got to it via a different way and then I could post. Weird, I was just linking direct to the journal Critical Reviews of Toxicology and apparently that is bad, I went through PubMed instead.
Gah...paywall on that journal. Okay if you want the full study then I can get it for you and email it to you just let me know.0 -
I should stop posting on this thread though, I've done this topic to death and therefore just end up getting frustrated by it.
OP diet coke is not going to hurt you and if your approach to better health is to obsess about avoiding things you like then it is going to be a bumpy road indeed. I recommend spending your energy instead on getting more exercise by going for regular walks or doing a sport you enjoy and just watching your calories, not undereating but finding your maintenance level and eating just a bit less or exercising just a bit more.
Diet coke is not going to make or break this for you. Obviously you shouldn't drink nothing but diet coke due to the caffeine issue (which does have an affect), you should probably drink more uncaffeinated beverages, but again thats a small issue relative to the rather larger issues of getting enough activity in your day and watching your caloric intake.10 -
Here's a suggestion - go to the website sciencedirect.com and search for artificial sweeteners in the keyword box. You will get a list of scientific journal papers on the subject. Read the abstracts (which you can access free) and reach your own conclusions. Myself, I would not drink 4 liters a day. Try flavored Perrier or iced tea perhaps (?)2
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replace it with another thing that you do love too0
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healthy491 wrote: »
Because, OP, you have posted several other threads displaying concerning behaviour surrounding food and weight loss. Trust me, the first thing that comes to mind when I see your user name is that thread where you were in almost complete meltdown over 500 grams on the scale.
But if this happens regularly, it explains a lot: "So today I went to a confectionery and bought a diet coke and the store owner and my dad started giving me a lecture about how its bad for me , causes diabetes , weight gain etc"
If this is the sort of attitude you have grown up around, then no wonder you have some distorted thinking. OP, there's nothing wrong with diet coke (and PS, enjoying it is not "addiction"), and it won't make you gain weight or give you diabetes. In fact, you're better off drinking diet coke because it's low cal, rather than regular coke. Plus IMO it tastes better 3 -
Diet pop is not going to kill you, but it does have some problems. 1- Too much salt. The salt is dehydrating and can cause headaches. 2- Too much caffeine. The can or the bottle is more than one portion. If you have 2 or 3 of them per day, you could end up with stomach irritation and headaches.0
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