Why does everybody detest low carb diets? They are the only thing that works for me
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Christine_72 wrote: »Here are my theories:
- They detest things they don't understand
- People foo foo anything that doesn't align with their own beliefs/ways
- When they see a low carb thread their eyes light up because they know a debate is forthcoming and want to be involved.
- They believe carbs affect EVERYBODY equally.
- They can not fathom reducing their carbs and thinks anyone who does this is cray cray
- They complain about the influx of low carb posts, but make sure they click on, and are involved in each and every one of those threads.
I'm not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways. To be honest, i rarely even click on those threads, because i have NO experience with any of them and have no interest in them either.
I tend to agree with you. I get the same reactions when I discuss gluten free.
Also to address the OP. I think LCHF (and subsequently any other diet) can be a very valuable tool if the person can follow it. I have seen it benefit many people with medical issues and many others who have a propensity to feeling satiated by fat. I feel it's magic to those who enjoy it, just like I feel the diet that has helped me lose 50 lbs (flexible dieting) has been magic to me.1 -
extra_medium wrote: »billglitch wrote: »billglitch wrote: »I am doing low carb high fat and have lost over 90 pounds since the end of January. I have thought about it logically and here is what i think. The high fat part keeps you from feeling hungry and makes it easy to reduce calories. Regardless of why it works its working for me, my son, my brothers gf and others that I have suggested it to. Low carb goes against what we have been told FOREVER. Its just like back in the day "they" thought the earth was the center of the universe. My question is if the way "they" say to eat is so good why are so many people fat? I know I will probably get a lot of crap for this but oh well.
Why, because people over eat, plain and simple. Our bodies are designed to survive on X amount of calories. Consume more calories than your body needs, and those excess calories will be stored as fat. It does not matter if those calories come from carbs, fat, or protien.
i know many people who dont over eat and are still "fat". I dont think its always plain and simple, and I don't get my undies in a bunch if people do what they think works for them or when they say lchf is bad
Not sure what you mean by "fat" in quotes but if they are overweight, that means they are over eating. It is that simple, no one can escape the laws of physics.
Well, aren't you the judgemental one! Have a medical degree, do you? I never overate! Guess you haven't heard of hypothyroid disease? Let me introduce you. I went from 116 lbs to over 200 lbs practically overnight. Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Not a fun medical condition, but not uncommon. It is usually controllable with meds. However, for 30 years I struggled with the meds; they didn't regulate my "levels" properly and I couldn't lose. If I HAD over eaten I would have weighed over 300 lbs (according to my endocrinologist). It wasn't until recently that I was diagnosed with gluten intolerance - gluten was blocking my absorption of medications, as well as essential vitamins and minerals (B12, vitamin D, Magnesium, iron, etc.), In 10 months I was able to lose 103 lbs on a gluten free, low fat, balanced food plan with high protein, but plenty of healthy carbs (veggies and fruits). Losing weight isn't always just CICO. It is also dealing with all the issues that impact one's health.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »You know, I was about to leap on here judging but your last sentence "it's the only thing that works for me" got me in the feels. I hate this expression but "at the end of the day" that's all that matters my friend. You take good care of you and ignore we haters
. Do what makes you happy and what feels good to you. Right?
I had to give up dairy and meat. Heart disease is very real to me. I am at the age where my Cardiologist told me that I would have to have open heart surgery to repair a heart valve. I was a competitive runner until my mid-30's. You can't out exercise heart disease unfortunately. I read Dr. Esselstyn's book on how to over come heart disease and also Dr. John McDougall's stuff on how eating a high carb (plant carb) diet can heal the body and I was sold.
I wish you all the best, everyone's journey is personal and different. Who are we to judge?
I have a heart valve defect and was never told to avoid meat and dairy. did they tell you why? as for having OHS for the valve repair. for some its not needed. I was told the only way I would need the valve fixed or replaced was if I went into cardiac arrest,they said most people have no issues caused from it. it can mimic asthma symptoms I did learn though.some diets cannot cure or heal certain health issues.
Sounds like the Mitral valve?
Defective aortic valve here - half normal size and malformed. I had open heart surgery 3 years ago, when I started experiencing symptoms of heart pain. They replaced it with an artificial valve. They also expanded my left ventricular outflow tract.
I eat a balanced diet consisting of a wide variety of foods all within my calorie goal. Early on the nurses wanted me to restrict sodium. But I started hitting it so hard in the re-hab gym that I needed to take electrolyte supplements - e.g., sodium and potassium. They backed off on the low sodium stuff after that. My angiogram confirmed that I do not form cholesterol deposits. So, I have no specific dietary restrictions.
The valve replacement surgery has been the best thing that ever happened to me. I was able to become more active, dropped 95 lbs and now I am a gym rat. Finished a 10k run earlier this evening - my best time ever on the 10k, 1mi. and 1k. At 53, I finally discovered what it is like to be alive.
yes its a mitral valve defect. I am doing good with mine and can do all the things that most other people can (run,bike,etc) but when I was overweight it held me back as well. I do have a cholesterol problem (Familial hypercholesterolemia).so I have to watch my saturated fats,sugars and sodium because of that, not due to the heart though). glad the surgery worked well for you. I was having chest pain and pain under my arm and so on and they did all kinds of tests. but since I have been more active and off certain meds its like it doesnt exist anymore(I know it still does to a degree). I have pain once in a blue moon now,I think a lot of it has to do with the exercise at least for me.1 -
Upon further reflection, I question the OP. Atkins is really common and if someone said "how are you losing" and someone else said "Atkins" or "low carb," I can't imagine anyone "freaking out." If someone said "I'm eating 600 calories per day" or some such, yeah, maybe. I know so many people doing one fad diet or another (and I know low carb need not be a fad, but it's trendy right now and lots of people who go through diet after diet try it for a while and quit), that most people are pretty much "sure whatever."
Exceptions would be extreme low cal (and honestly I can't imagine telling someone else (off MFP, of course) my calories unless I were having a detailed discussion after the person expressed interest in trying to lose and knowing what I did) or probably vegan would get comments (not a freak out, but "isn't that really hard and restrictive?").
So if people have negative reactions to low carb, I suspect it's because of evangelism or zealotry (which is, IME, extremely common, to the point of commenting on what others are eating "do you know that bread is a carb? we really eat too many carbs and they cause all sorts of problems which I will now go on and on about").
My experience is that when people see I lost lots of weight they assuming (annoyingly) that I did some fad diet or low carb or the like and ask incessantly for the secret as they know it couldn't just be watching calories and being more active.4 -
1stgardengirl wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »billglitch wrote: »billglitch wrote: »I am doing low carb high fat and have lost over 90 pounds since the end of January. I have thought about it logically and here is what i think. The high fat part keeps you from feeling hungry and makes it easy to reduce calories. Regardless of why it works its working for me, my son, my brothers gf and others that I have suggested it to. Low carb goes against what we have been told FOREVER. Its just like back in the day "they" thought the earth was the center of the universe. My question is if the way "they" say to eat is so good why are so many people fat? I know I will probably get a lot of crap for this but oh well.
Why, because people over eat, plain and simple. Our bodies are designed to survive on X amount of calories. Consume more calories than your body needs, and those excess calories will be stored as fat. It does not matter if those calories come from carbs, fat, or protien.
i know many people who dont over eat and are still "fat". I dont think its always plain and simple, and I don't get my undies in a bunch if people do what they think works for them or when they say lchf is bad
Not sure what you mean by "fat" in quotes but if they are overweight, that means they are over eating. It is that simple, no one can escape the laws of physics.
Well, aren't you the judgemental one! Have a medical degree, do you? I never overate! Guess you haven't heard of hypothyroid disease? Let me introduce you. I went from 116 lbs to over 200 lbs practically overnight. Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Not a fun medical condition, but not uncommon. It is usually controllable with meds. However, for 30 years I struggled with the meds; they didn't regulate my "levels" properly and I couldn't lose. If I HAD over eaten I would have weighed over 300 lbs (according to my endocrinologist). It wasn't until recently that I was diagnosed with gluten intolerance - gluten was blocking my absorption of medications, as well as essential vitamins and minerals (B12, vitamin D, Magnesium, iron, etc.), In 10 months I was able to lose 103 lbs on a gluten free, low fat, balanced food plan with high protein, but plenty of healthy carbs (veggies and fruits). Losing weight isn't always just CICO. It is also dealing with all the issues that impact one's health.
FYI - you did overeat. By definition. And you didn't violate the principles of CICO.
Your disease simply changed the values of some of the variables in the CICO equation. As such, it was easier for you to overeat than it is for those without metabolic disorders.
Those "issues that impact one's health" are all part of CICO.
eta: I certainly hope you don't view this as an attack, or anything. It's simply some free information regarding the basics of weight management. Hopefully, you'll view it as educational, as it's intended.10 -
1stgardengirl wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »billglitch wrote: »billglitch wrote: »I am doing low carb high fat and have lost over 90 pounds since the end of January. I have thought about it logically and here is what i think. The high fat part keeps you from feeling hungry and makes it easy to reduce calories. Regardless of why it works its working for me, my son, my brothers gf and others that I have suggested it to. Low carb goes against what we have been told FOREVER. Its just like back in the day "they" thought the earth was the center of the universe. My question is if the way "they" say to eat is so good why are so many people fat? I know I will probably get a lot of crap for this but oh well.
Why, because people over eat, plain and simple. Our bodies are designed to survive on X amount of calories. Consume more calories than your body needs, and those excess calories will be stored as fat. It does not matter if those calories come from carbs, fat, or protien.
i know many people who dont over eat and are still "fat". I dont think its always plain and simple, and I don't get my undies in a bunch if people do what they think works for them or when they say lchf is bad
Not sure what you mean by "fat" in quotes but if they are overweight, that means they are over eating. It is that simple, no one can escape the laws of physics.
Well, aren't you the judgemental one! Have a medical degree, do you? I never overate! Guess you haven't heard of hypothyroid disease? Let me introduce you. I went from 116 lbs to over 200 lbs practically overnight. Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Not a fun medical condition, but not uncommon. It is usually controllable with meds. However, for 30 years I struggled with the meds; they didn't regulate my "levels" properly and I couldn't lose. If I HAD over eaten I would have weighed over 300 lbs (according to my endocrinologist). It wasn't until recently that I was diagnosed with gluten intolerance - gluten was blocking my absorption of medications, as well as essential vitamins and minerals (B12, vitamin D, Magnesium, iron, etc.), In 10 months I was able to lose 103 lbs on a gluten free, low fat, balanced food plan with high protein, but plenty of healthy carbs (veggies and fruits). Losing weight isn't always just CICO. It is also dealing with all the issues that impact one's health.
Losing weight always comes down to CICO. Unfortunately, health issues mess up the CI and CO side of the equation...7 -
Cyndi10612 wrote: »I feel like people freak out when you tell them you are on an extremely low calorie diet, Atkins, etc. I catch the wrath from friends and family, and even online communities, that low carb diets are so bad for you but honestly it's the only thing that works for me and I feel better so why not!
It's like this. Carbs help with several things that help with a functioning body. Carbs are found in dietary fiber and sugars. Sugars can help with those who are working out that provide energy. It's when those who are consuming more carbs than what they should (and having a sedentary lifestyle and eat the wrong types of carbs) is what causes weight gain. People who are morbidly obese have had doctor's instruction to go on low carb diets to re-evaluate what they actually eat and improve their lifestyle and health. There are carbs that good for you that are found in fruits, veggies and grains. Those who go on low-carb diets to lose weight don't really understand the whole aspect behind carbs. Basically you need carbs in your body, with exercise intensity, more carbs are need to be able to help with the body to have energy to do normal life stuff and to energize yourself while working hard at the gym. Low carb diets, while some can prove beneficial isn't not to be taken lightly. Those who workout at an extreme intensity (long-distance runners, weight/strength training), they have to consume an ample amount of carbs and protein to push oneself, recover and rebuild/repair muscle groups.
If you are a person who struggles with weight (and has been to a doctor to have a low-carb diet prescribed to them), then by all means; that doctor wants you to go on that diet because it will benefit you more than hurt you. If you are a very active person, you need to have carbs to fill your tank of energy; without it, you'll lack in some things that help with normal function (like brain activity) and it can cause more hurt for you.
If you are unhappy with your workout or you way of eating to energize your machine (aka body), think about changing up your workout routine. Don't just base it that carbs are the enemy, they acutally aren't.0 -
lithezebra wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »You know, I was about to leap on here judging but your last sentence "it's the only thing that works for me" got me in the feels. I hate this expression but "at the end of the day" that's all that matters my friend. You take good care of you and ignore we haters. Do what makes you happy and what feels good to you. Right?
I had to give up dairy and meat. Heart disease is very real to me. I am at the age where my Cardiologist told me that I would have to have open heart surgery to repair a heart valve. I was a competitive runner until my mid-30's. You can't out exercise heart disease unfortunately. I read Dr. Esselstyn's book on how to over come heart disease and also Dr. John McDougall's stuff on how eating a high carb (plant carb) diet can heal the body and I was sold.
I wish you all the best, everyone's journey is personal and different. Who are we to judge?
I have a heart valve defect and was never told to avoid meat and dairy. did they tell you why? as for having OHS for the valve repair. for some its not needed. I was told the only way I would need the valve fixed or replaced was if I went into cardiac arrest,they said most people have no issues caused from it. it can mimic asthma symptoms I did learn though.some diets cannot cure or heal certain health issues.
I was told to cut carbs to lower my cholesterol. Avoiding dairy and fat isn't necessarily helpful for cholesterol either.
I think it depends on the cholesterol too,I have Familial hypercholesterolemia and I have to now eat low sat fat,watch my sugar and sodium and avoid fried foods,high fat foods and foods made with white flour. because of it.I have a defective gene that causes my liver not to break down cholesterol (even with diet and exercise) like it should. my body stores it instead of breaking it down. I cannot do low carb because you have to do moderate fat,which I cant do now. I have tried lower carb and it did improve some but not enough for the dr(it was still high) so Im now trying this way.1 -
lithezebra wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »You know, I was about to leap on here judging but your last sentence "it's the only thing that works for me" got me in the feels. I hate this expression but "at the end of the day" that's all that matters my friend. You take good care of you and ignore we haters. Do what makes you happy and what feels good to you. Right?
I had to give up dairy and meat. Heart disease is very real to me. I am at the age where my Cardiologist told me that I would have to have open heart surgery to repair a heart valve. I was a competitive runner until my mid-30's. You can't out exercise heart disease unfortunately. I read Dr. Esselstyn's book on how to over come heart disease and also Dr. John McDougall's stuff on how eating a high carb (plant carb) diet can heal the body and I was sold.
I wish you all the best, everyone's journey is personal and different. Who are we to judge?
I have a heart valve defect and was never told to avoid meat and dairy. did they tell you why? as for having OHS for the valve repair. for some its not needed. I was told the only way I would need the valve fixed or replaced was if I went into cardiac arrest,they said most people have no issues caused from it. it can mimic asthma symptoms I did learn though.some diets cannot cure or heal certain health issues.
I was told to cut carbs to lower my cholesterol. Avoiding dairy and fat isn't necessarily helpful for cholesterol either.
I would possibly suggest it's the type of carbs and type of fats that are eaten that help lower cholesterol (i.e., fibrous carbs and unsaturated fats). This, of course, is outside the benefit of just dieting and exercising, which I would expect to address cholesterol issues for a large majority of people.2 -
On a forum like MFP I discuss my diet freely - and get outrageous, ignorant comments in return - but in real life? No one has any clue I eat a LCHF diet outside of my immediate family - to them I just eat "healthy".
If close friends and family are expressing concern maybe do a quick sanity check. Are you eating lots of whole, minimally processed foods? Eating enough food in general? Are you active or getting in some deliberate exercise?
No matter what your macro split those are all healthful behaviors that almost no one will take exception to.1 -
I hate it cause it is too hard
I love carbs... and I know I should eat less... and I try. I've even tried the zucchini spaghetti... but.. I mean... it is not the same. I like it, but please... don't call it spaghetti, it breaks my heart!.
Open to any advice though
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ptitscargot wrote: »I hate it cause it is too hard
I love carbs... and I know I should eat less... and I try. I've even tried the zucchini spaghetti... but.. I mean... it is not the same. I like it, but please... don't call it spaghetti, it breaks my heart!.
Open to any advice though
Why do you feel you need to eat less carbs? What are your goals? Do you have a medical reason to restrict carbs?0 -
ptitscargot wrote: »I hate it cause it is too hard
I love carbs... and I know I should eat less... and I try. I've even tried the zucchini spaghetti... but.. I mean... it is not the same. I like it, but please... don't call it spaghetti, it breaks my heart!.
Open to any advice though
Why do you feel that way? Are you overeating in general?0 -
@ptitscargot - I hear you. I'm not saying spiralized vegetable "noodles" can't be tasty and there aren't good recipes that use them, but they're never going to replace pasta for me.1
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Christine_72 wrote: »Here are my theories:
- They detest things they don't understand
- People foo foo anything that doesn't align with their own beliefs/ways
- When they see a low carb thread their eyes light up because they know a debate is forthcoming and want to be involved.
- They believe carbs affect EVERYBODY equally.
- They can not fathom reducing their carbs and thinks anyone who does this is cray cray
- They complain about the influx of low carb posts, but make sure they click on, and are involved in each and every one of those threads.
I'm not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways. To be honest, i rarely even click on those threads, because i have NO experience with any of them and have no interest in them either.
while i agree with most of what you said "teaching someone the error of their ways" was.. a bit much. Especially people who are vegan for ethical reasons (really thats an error)? There is no such thing as "the error of ones ways" when it comes to diet. Just because it doesnt work for you doesnt mean its an error. I dont eat pig because i have a pet pig. no error there its a choice.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Here are my theories:
- They detest things they don't understand
- People foo foo anything that doesn't align with their own beliefs/ways
- When they see a low carb thread their eyes light up because they know a debate is forthcoming and want to be involved.
- They believe carbs affect EVERYBODY equally.
- They can not fathom reducing their carbs and thinks anyone who does this is cray cray
- They complain about the influx of low carb posts, but make sure they click on, and are involved in each and every one of those threads.
I'm not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways. To be honest, i rarely even click on those threads, because i have NO experience with any of them and have no interest in them either.
I tend to agree with you. I get the same reactions when I discuss gluten free.
Also to address the OP. I think LCHF (and subsequently any other diet) can be a very valuable tool if the person can follow it. I have seen it benefit many people with medical issues and many others who have a propensity to feeling satiated by fat. I feel it's magic to those who enjoy it, just like I feel the diet that has helped me lose 50 lbs (flexible dieting) has been magic to me.
I don't know...I don't like low carb personally esp if people are doing a "diet" and I will let them know my experience with it and how I feel it will probably turn out for them...esp if it's a "diet"
Do I understand low carb yup...do I like it? nope would i do it again heck no...
does it work for people sure...and if it does have at but don't diet period...just live life.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Here are my theories:
- They detest things they don't understand
- People foo foo anything that doesn't align with their own beliefs/ways
- When they see a low carb thread their eyes light up because they know a debate is forthcoming and want to be involved.
- They believe carbs affect EVERYBODY equally.
- They can not fathom reducing their carbs and thinks anyone who does this is cray cray
- They complain about the influx of low carb posts, but make sure they click on, and are involved in each and every one of those threads.
I'm not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways. To be honest, i rarely even click on those threads, because i have NO experience with any of them and have no interest in them either.
while i agree with most of what you said "teaching someone the error of their ways" was.. a bit much. Especially people who are vegan for ethical reasons (really thats an error)? There is no such thing as "the error of ones ways" when it comes to diet. Just because it doesnt work for you doesnt mean its an error. I dont eat pig because i have a pet pig. no error there its a choice.
I didn't take it that way, I took it as *them* (the people who have to click on every thread and get involved) wanting to teach the errors.0 -
CorneliusPhoton wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Here are my theories:
- They detest things they don't understand
- People foo foo anything that doesn't align with their own beliefs/ways
- When they see a low carb thread their eyes light up because they know a debate is forthcoming and want to be involved.
- They believe carbs affect EVERYBODY equally.
- They can not fathom reducing their carbs and thinks anyone who does this is cray cray
- They complain about the influx of low carb posts, but make sure they click on, and are involved in each and every one of those threads.
I'm not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways. To be honest, i rarely even click on those threads, because i have NO experience with any of them and have no interest in them either.
while i agree with most of what you said "teaching someone the error of their ways" was.. a bit much. Especially people who are vegan for ethical reasons (really thats an error)? There is no such thing as "the error of ones ways" when it comes to diet. Just because it doesnt work for you doesnt mean its an error. I dont eat pig because i have a pet pig. no error there its a choice.
I didn't take it that way, I took it as *them* (the people who have to click on every thread and get involved) wanting to teach the errors.
maybe i read what she said wrong but she said quote "'m not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways." so im taking it as her not getting her knickers in a twist to teach one the errors of their ways. I have a masters in nutrition and i wont ever TELL someone how to eat or what they are doing is wrong. choosing a diet that works for you and is essentially healthy there is NO error regardless of how you feel about it. isnt that the point? we all eat whatever we want and make diets work for ourseleves.0 -
For me...
1. It's too limiting and unrealistic to maintain long term. I've gone low carb many times, successfully, but always gained it back and then some because I would fall out of ketosis much more easily than most people. One slip and it would take me 2 weeks to get back into ketosis. 2 weeks wasted over a couple french fries. Yes. My metabolism sucks. Not worth it.
2. Every time I did it I felt physically ill. Even if I was in ketosis for weeks at a time I never got over the "ketosis flu." I'd continue to feel worse and worse and worse. If it makes me feel that bad it can't possibly be that good for me.
3. Vitamin deficiencies. To me, if a diet is leaving me deficient in vital nutrients to the point that I have to rely on supplements to fulfill those needs its not worth it.
4. Plateaus. When I eat a healthy, clean, balanced diet with 1 cheat meal a week to boost my metabolism... I don't hit them. Ever. The longest I go without losing on the scale is 48 hours and a little water retention and constipation is usually the culprit. I cant still eat and enjoy everything in moderation so what's the point in limiting myself? On the flip side when I have low carb dieted.... I'd hit plateaus regularly that seem to last forever which is very discouraging.1 -
CorneliusPhoton wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Here are my theories:
- They detest things they don't understand
- People foo foo anything that doesn't align with their own beliefs/ways
- When they see a low carb thread their eyes light up because they know a debate is forthcoming and want to be involved.
- They believe carbs affect EVERYBODY equally.
- They can not fathom reducing their carbs and thinks anyone who does this is cray cray
- They complain about the influx of low carb posts, but make sure they click on, and are involved in each and every one of those threads.
I'm not a supporter of veganism, vegetarianism, paleo, carnivorous diet, High carb/low fat yada yada, but if people want to follow those ways of eating it is none of my business or concern, and i wont be getting my knickers in a twist teaching them the error of their ways. To be honest, i rarely even click on those threads, because i have NO experience with any of them and have no interest in them either.
while i agree with most of what you said "teaching someone the error of their ways" was.. a bit much. Especially people who are vegan for ethical reasons (really thats an error)? There is no such thing as "the error of ones ways" when it comes to diet. Just because it doesnt work for you doesnt mean its an error. I dont eat pig because i have a pet pig. no error there its a choice.
I didn't take it that way, I took it as *them* (the people who have to click on every thread and get involved) wanting to teach the errors.
Yes,that's how I meant it. I absolutely do not think veganism or vegetarianism or any other ways of eating are wrong, I have mucho respect for vegans especially, and I've said it many times on the boards here.
@fishshark "error of their ways" meant someone coming into a low carb, or any woe eating thread saying stuff like:
You Don't have to go low carb ya know
We need carbs to live
You will put on all the weight you lost when you (fail) go back to eating carbs
I don't really need to go on, just click on any one of the low carb threads here and you'll see what i mean.
I'm not singling out just Low carb threads, this happens on many other woe threads too. Just let people be, it is NOT up to any of us to change peoples minds or "try to teach them the error of their ways", just because we would never contemplate doing it.4 -
Lots of times the thread is "should I go low carb," however, and there I think weighing in with an opinion is what's asked for. I always find it odd on those threads when people start complaining that commenters aren't being "supportive" of the "decision" to go low carb when they were directly asked for an opinion.
For the record, I generally say to try it if interested. I'm quite supportive of trying different macros and ways of eating and experimentation, even though LCHF is not my thing. Despite that I get accused of being anti LCHF, which I never understand, and suggests that anything other than "rah, rah! everyone should be doing it!" is being taken as being anti, which is weird.
Also, I find it ironic that people complain about others not being pro LCHF, when LCHF people go into other threads and tell OPs to reduce their carbs or sugars or that carbs are unhealthy all the time. But eh. I just hate evangelism of all stripes, especially nutritional. (I also get accused of being anti vegan when the truth is I'm pretty pro vegan -- just hate vegan proselytizing because proselytizing.)1 -
^^^ I agree that >insert diet< evangelism is irritating..
If you don't eat my way you will die a long, painful death and live a life of fatness before burning in hell
ETA: People on both sides need to lighten up 6 -
kimirayray wrote: »I listened to my doctor when she said - cut back on your fat and carbs. I had high triglycerides and a mild fatty liver reading. I did this for a month and lost 10 pounds and blood work came back normal. I am keeping up with it as I need to lose 30 pounds. I have 50 to 75 carbs per day and about 20 grams of fat. I don't feel deprived at all. I have occasional days where I eat a little more, but am consistently losing weight slowly. Now to start exercising!
I am diabetic. I had fatty liver deposits as well..My Dr. did not say anything at all about low fat/ low carbs..not a word.
He said. "Put on Your Shoes" meaning..get active and do something..anything. Lose weight, eat less, exercise more.
I have listened to him. I eat plenty of Carbs..not so much fat. He did not specify anything at all about my diet..other than eat less.
I have lost 74 pounds since March 1st. I am on NO Meds. My BP was 111/71 and my liver tests came back great.
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Christine_72 wrote: »^^^ I agree that >insert diet< evangelism is irritating..
If you don't eat my way you will die a long, painful death and live a life of fatness before burning in hell
ETA: People on both sides need to lighten up
This almost makes me want to don a short sleeved dress shirt, skinny black tie, and slacks, and ride a bicycle around the neighborhood proselytizing for low carb diets. "Good afternoon, ma'am, may I come in and tell you about the evils of carbs? No? Okay, but here take this nice pamphlet so you don't burn in the fires of . . . "
But that would take putting my beer down and getting out of this chair.5 -
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Just noticed the "extremely low calorie" part of the question which explains why your friends and family as well as online communities "freak out". It's not the low carb part that freaks them out (low carb diets are quite trendy and aren't very likely to raise eyebrows), it's the extremely low calorie part. And yes, they are all right. It's NOT healthy. Even in cases where it's warranted, it's usually used in morbidly obese people for whom the benefits of fast weight loss outweigh the risks, and it's usually done in a supervised setting.4
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Lots of times the thread is "should I go low carb," however, and there I think weighing in with an opinion is what's asked for. I always find it odd on those threads when people start complaining that commenters aren't being "supportive" of the "decision" to go low carb when they were directly asked for an opinion.
For the record, I generally say to try it if interested. I'm quite supportive of trying different macros and ways of eating and experimentation, even though LCHF is not my thing. Despite that I get accused of being anti LCHF, which I never understand, and suggests that anything other than "rah, rah! everyone should be doing it!" is being taken as being anti, which is weird.
Also, I find it ironic that people complain about others not being pro LCHF, when LCHF people go into other threads and tell OPs to reduce their carbs or sugars or that carbs are unhealthy all the time. But eh. I just hate evangelism of all stripes, especially nutritional. (I also get accused of being anti vegan when the truth is I'm pretty pro vegan -- just hate vegan proselytizing because proselytizing.)
Based on the LCHF person I am training, I resemble the bold. I supposed people see me correcting misinformation as being against the diet (interesting enough, I am for all diets with the exception of starvation diets; this includes overly restrictive diets such as Paleo, Whole 30, etc...). And if you look in many LCHF/KETO, I provide people with foundational information to get them started right (i.e., increase sodium consumption). And while I don't and can't live a low carb lifestyle, I still need knowledge of it because my wife needs to be LCHF with her medical conditional.2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Just noticed the "extremely low calorie" part of the question which explains why your friends and family as well as online communities "freak out". It's not the low carb part that freaks them out (low carb diets are quite trendy and aren't very likely to raise eyebrows), it's the extremely low calorie part. And yes, they are all right. It's NOT healthy. Even in cases where it's warranted, it's usually used in morbidly obese people for whom the benefits of fast weight loss outweigh the risks, and it's usually done in a supervised setting.
I am guessing that was a typo based on the example. But if the OP did mean calorie, then it could be a completely different ballgame.0 -
Normal for the average person in Asian would be 75-100g. And for some reason they aren't "poisoning" themselves since they are still alive years later.speedfreak75 wrote: »it's all a personal preference. I love low carb diets. Our bodies aren't designed to take in the amount of sure we normally consume. it's simply poison. when i'm trying to lean out i usually cut my carbs down in the 25-30 net carbs per day.
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This statement always makes me chuckle. You're not deprived of "hunger", but what about being able to actually eat carb laden foods you enjoy? Like ice cream, or cake or pie? You shun it off because of low cravings, but I've seen many a low carber look at people eating cake and ice cream and then say "man they are going to get fat from all that stuff" even if the people are lean. Lol, I've had it said to me many times. So could it be "hating" that some can do it with no negative outcomes?kimirayray wrote: »I listened to my doctor when she said - cut back on your fat and carbs. I had high triglycerides and a mild fatty liver reading. I did this for a month and lost 10 pounds and blood work came back normal. I am keeping up with it as I need to lose 30 pounds. I have 50 to 75 carbs per day and about 20 grams of fat. I don't feel deprived at all. I have occasional days where I eat a little more, but am consistently losing weight slowly. Now to start exercising!
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