Is there any such thing as carb sensitivity?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
Ah BTW, I gave a quick look to the bolded study:
it is "Supported by a grant from the Inflammation Research Foundation"
That foundation is just ... dr Barry Sears:
http://www.inflammationresearchfoundation.org/about-us/about-dr-sears/
(who in fact coauthored the study)1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.4 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
Ah BTW, I gave a quick look to the bolded study:
it is "Supported by a grant from the Inflammation Research Foundation"
That foundation is just ... dr Barry Sears:
http://www.inflammationresearchfoundation.org/about-us/about-dr-sears/
(who in fact coauthored the study)
Is this any different than Nusi or Atkins funding studies?1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
No problem. You don't have to buy the tee shirts, "bro".0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
This might come as a shock to you, but highly educated people can still enjoy silly, funny things.2 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
I guess you aren't in the fitness community often. There are a lot of jokes. No different than any other community.1 -
I watched the whole video psulemon posted upthread. It is a balanced view, IMO, including pros and cons.1
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I think the solution to the whole problem for the OP, drop the muffins. Low satiety and highly caloric because it's loaded with fats and carbs. Replace it with more foods that are high in protein, fiber and mix in fat as necessary. I don't see how this is a carb vs fat problem, but rather a choice of food. When I am in a cut, i rarely eat ice cream or Klondike bars. Why because they don't fill me. So I replace them with fruit and cool whip. The later has a lot more volume and high satiety levels.
I disagree. Why not have a half muffin, or even quarter the muffin, and save the rest for another day?
Many times I do a small muffin or half of a larger muffin with scrambled eggs in the morning and I stay full.
If one likes muffins, there is no need to "drop them" from your diet. Just eat them sensibly and work them into your day.1 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »If someone says you need to join a closed group to get the "right" information, I think that's an obvious tipoff that they are trying to make sure that the information provided doesn't get rebutted with other sources. It's like claiming you should get your only political information from Breitbart.
But if that seems like an open and honest way to approach it, go for it.
The claim that non keto people don't burn fat is obviously ridiculous, though, and I'd like to see one credible recent study (since supposedly recent studies support what was claimed) that shows that people on a deficit but not eating extreme low carb can't burn fat (or will end up burning less body fat, all else controlled and equal). You can become adapted to burning fat more easily and more of it at somewhat higher intensities when exercising, but that doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.
So let me first state, there are specific reasons for why it's a closed group that I will not go into. Being closed doesn't necessarily mean all information is wrong. Being with like minded people, while beneficial for motivation may not lend itself to the other side of the argument. Personally, just like avatars and time frame on a forum, I would not use that as an argument for or against a particular way of eating.
If there is going to be arguments or discussions, we should do it with actual data. There is no surprise that if we want to discuss if Keto or very low carb is more beneficial for weight loss, I would suggest the below discussion on Kevin Halls study and one from 2006 done at Arizona State, under isocaloric, euprotein conditions. I also posted Dr. Layne Norton's discussion on Keto diets. He holds a PhD in nutritional science.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXP04ipDx8
and, quite sadly, sells t-shirts.
Hold the presses, he sells t-shirts, coaching services and developed a protein powder based on leucine research.. yep.. all his work is completely discredited because that never happens with those who support the low carb lifestyle through research.
The point is, unlike many other researchers and promoters of a lifestyle (who have converted from their fields to study nutrition), he is at least educated in the actual field and has applied in his own lifestyle (he holds qualifications in power lifting and body building) and coached a ton of people to do the same.
whatever... I was looking at those shirts. Some example text: "do you even science?", "advisory - lifting heavy *kitten*", "dominate".
If he thinks to sell his shirts to his typical audience, well he doesn't have such a big opinion on their IQ, "bro".
Because smart people can't enjoy a humorous t-shirt? I don't really follow your logic here.0
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