why does sugar make us fat

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  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    andreakreymborg wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Wonder if she is talking about rat experiments with sucrose since rat livers metabolize far more fructose into liver fat than humans do.
  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
    edited October 2016
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    STLBADGIRL wrote: »
    So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.

    Essentially, calories makes us fat.

    PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???

    You stop eating excess calories

    You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body

    It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?

    I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke. I gotta work on my material
  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.

    I will eat the same cals = 2100

    One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night

    One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.

    Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?

    One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...

    If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.

    I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...

    In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...

    Whatev

    Whatev what? Yeah...you're going to be hungry if all you have is chocolate for lunch...your "experiment" is inherently flawed...like big time.

    You took my comments out of context. I eat about every two hours the same amt of calories swapping sugar for protein. My comments are very valid.

    Eating a snackfood as a meal then wondering why it's not filling is not valid.
    Prescribing any importance to a 1 pound difference over one week when weight can fluctuate that much easily from one day to another due to water retention is not valid.

    You are reinforcing that sugar is empty calories that don't satiate you, no? That's what I'm trying to convey.

    and I know my own body better than you, so I do what's best for me and all I was stating is what doesn't work for me and that's a high sugar diet. I am hungrier and less satisfied.

    Last I checked, chocolate has gram for gram more calories than plain sugar, why was that again... oh right because half the calories come from fat.

    Brilliant!!!
  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    STLBADGIRL wrote: »
    So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.

    Essentially, calories makes us fat.

    PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???

    reduce your overall quantity of food consumed by 15 to 20%....

    this is not rocket science
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    STLBADGIRL wrote: »
    So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.

    Essentially, calories makes us fat.

    PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???

    reduce your overall quantity of food consumed by 15 to 20%....

    this is not rocket science

    was my bad attempt at a joke. I guess I'm just not funny.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    For those of you who don't understand that carbs don't just convert to fat this might be of interest to you https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981. It is very clear that just substituting carb calories for fat calories in a 1:1 ratio does not increase fat gain.
  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    STLBADGIRL wrote: »
    So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.

    Essentially, calories makes us fat.

    PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???

    You stop eating excess calories

    You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body

    It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?

    I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke haha

    You should probably learn the art of the emoji :D

    Isn't that a movie? Ok...let's see how many emoji's I can create right now:

    :smile: :smiley::wink: :blush::neutral::open_mouth::cold_sweat::sweat_smile:

    I'm out. I suck at emoji's
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    serapel wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    STLBADGIRL wrote: »
    So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.

    Essentially, calories makes us fat.

    PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???

    You stop eating excess calories

    You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body

    It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?

    I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke. I gotta work on my material

    Try a drum and cymbals, I find that works best. ;)

  • serapel
    serapel Posts: 502 Member
    Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    andreakreymborg wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    i am eating sugar and cutting right now and I have lost about ten pounds. Care to explain how I am bypassing this magical process where sugar makes you gain fat in a calorie deficit?
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    BiomedDent wrote: »
    lipogensis. Wikipedia is your friend.

    please link us to the wikipedia post that claims you can gain fat in an energy deficit...
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    sugar is such an amazing macro-nutrient it has the ability to change the basic laws of math and physics...wow, who knew?

    I hear NASA is investigating it as a perpetual energy source for the trip to Mars.

  • lizziewhan
    lizziewhan Posts: 148 Member
    imajollyroger wrote: »
    Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.

    This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.

  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    lizziewhan wrote: »
    imajollyroger wrote: »
    Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.

    This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.

    That is quite impossible. You were not in a deficit.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    lizziewhan wrote: »
    imajollyroger wrote: »
    Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.

    This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.

    So you lose water and glycogen and thus you have lost weight. Great, but what are you really trying to lose? If you just want to lose weight try amputation it's a short cut to losing weight. In all seriousness, though you need to re-evaluate how you came up with this because you are doing something wrong if you are in a deficit and think you are gaining weight just because of macro mix.
  • johnnylakis
    johnnylakis Posts: 812 Member
    What is a calorie? Energy What is fat? Stored energy. Any energy that we don't use is converted to fat for later use.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited October 2016
    serapel wrote: »
    Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!

    I love chocolate covered almonds. Pret sells them in a 220 calorie serving sizes with a dark, milk, and white chocolate mix (I like the dark chocolate ones the best). Of the 220 calories, 80 are from sugar, and 126 are from fat. These are pretty high sugar example of chocolate-covered almonds, but they were an easy source and I do enjoy them occasionally.

    Curious why you thought of us, but since chocolate covered almonds are delicious, I will assume that we are associated with positive, joyful experiences!
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    edited October 2016
    andreakreymborg wrote: »
    If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
    Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.

    Ugh. No, no, no. NOPE.
    Youtube is NOT a trusted source if information. It is as trusted as facebook or tumblr. @andreakreymborg Try something credible backed up by science...
    lizziewhan wrote: »
    imajollyroger wrote: »
    Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.

    This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.

    Wow.
    And I've lost almost 100lbs including sugar in my diet.
    Ps, I am not a special snowflake, either.
    I win!

    Ps... science doesn't agree with you, either, unless you can find some scientific evidence to prove your.....point.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    traceyroy54 wrote: »
    Why?

    Oh boy, I'm 15 pages late into this conversation......

    It doesn't.

    A surplus of food makes us fat.

    I was fat my entire adulthood eating little or no added sugar, and I've lost weight and successfully kept it off having adding sugar in my diet.

    Why do you think sugar makes you fat?
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    seska422 wrote: »
    An excess of calories makes us fat, no matter the source of those calories. Sugar calories aren't special.

    Well, actually....they are.....

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  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited October 2016
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    serapel wrote: »
    Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!

    I love chocolate covered almonds. Pret sells them in a 220 calorie serving sizes with a dark, milk, and white chocolate mix (I like the dark chocolate ones the best). Of the 220 calories, 80 are from sugar, and 126 are from fat. These are pretty high sugar example of chocolate-covered almonds, but they were an easy source and I do enjoy them occasionally.

    Curious why you thought of us, but since chocolate covered almonds are delicious, I will assume that we are associated with positive, joyful experiences!

    Chocolate covered almonds are my kryptonite. I am eternally grateful that the dark chocolate (the only ones worth eating, imo) from my easiest source to grab decent ones, Trader Joes, have a cross-contamination warning on the label so I can't eat them.

    I'll likely seek some out around Christmas. I always associate chocolate covered nuts with Christmas. When I was growing up, we always had a box of Whitman's chocolate covered nuts out on the cookie buffet all season. They were my favorite. I'm also fond of chocolate covered Brazil nuts. The fat to sugar ratio on those must be even higher.
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