why does sugar make us fat
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BiomedDent wrote: »lipogensis. Wikipedia is your friend.
Your title suggests you should know that it's called hepatic de novo lipogensis and that it's not going to be an issue unless you are in a caloric surplus. Fat is more likely to be stored as fat than carbs or protein since both are more energetically expensive to store as fat http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/6/737.full has some interesting information.6 -
andreakreymborg wrote: »If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.
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Wonder if she is talking about rat experiments with sucrose since rat livers metabolize far more fructose into liver fat than humans do.2 -
STLBADGIRL wrote: »So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.
Essentially, calories makes us fat.
PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???
You stop eating excess calories
You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body
It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?
I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke. I gotta work on my material0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »ok so I've tried a lil experiment on myself a number of times.
I will eat the same cals = 2100
One week with high protein, low carbs...I will be about 1 lb lighter and not hungry at night
One week high carbs and sugar (chocolate for lunch yum)...I will be about 2 lbs heavier and very hungry at night.
Why would this be if I'm eating the same amount of calories?
One week isn't enough data to conclude anything at all. Beyond that, if you're lower carb you are going to hold onto less water and deplete glycogen...increase carbs and you're going to hold onto more water and replenish glycogen..those things have mass and thus weight...
If carbs hindered or caused weight gain, every vegetarian and vegan on the planet would be obese. You can also look at populations like Japan who have one of the lowest if not the lowest obesity rates...high carb diet.
I eat a substantially plant based diet which means I eat a lot of carbs...lots of beans and lentils and potatoes and sweet potatoes and rice and pasta, etc...I do just fine with satiety...
In your post, you're primarily looking at carbs as "junk"...who the frack has chocolate for lunch? That's not lunch, that's a snack treat. I don't know anyone who would be satiated just eating chocolate for lunch...there are numerous sources of highly nutritious carbohydrates...this crap gets really old...
Whatev
Whatev what? Yeah...you're going to be hungry if all you have is chocolate for lunch...your "experiment" is inherently flawed...like big time.
You took my comments out of context. I eat about every two hours the same amt of calories swapping sugar for protein. My comments are very valid.
Eating a snackfood as a meal then wondering why it's not filling is not valid.
Prescribing any importance to a 1 pound difference over one week when weight can fluctuate that much easily from one day to another due to water retention is not valid.
You are reinforcing that sugar is empty calories that don't satiate you, no? That's what I'm trying to convey.
and I know my own body better than you, so I do what's best for me and all I was stating is what doesn't work for me and that's a high sugar diet. I am hungrier and less satisfied.
Last I checked, chocolate has gram for gram more calories than plain sugar, why was that again... oh right because half the calories come from fat.
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STLBADGIRL wrote: »So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.
Essentially, calories makes us fat.
PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???
reduce your overall quantity of food consumed by 15 to 20%....
this is not rocket scienceSTLBADGIRL wrote: »So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.
Essentially, calories makes us fat.
PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???
reduce your overall quantity of food consumed by 15 to 20%....
this is not rocket science
was my bad attempt at a joke. I guess I'm just not funny.0 -
STLBADGIRL wrote: »So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.
Essentially, calories makes us fat.
PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???
You stop eating excess calories
You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body
It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?
I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke haha
You should probably learn the art of the emoji
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For those of you who don't understand that carbs don't just convert to fat this might be of interest to you https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981. It is very clear that just substituting carb calories for fat calories in a 1:1 ratio does not increase fat gain.2
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STLBADGIRL wrote: »So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.
Essentially, calories makes us fat.
PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???
You stop eating excess calories
You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body
It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?
I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke haha
You should probably learn the art of the emoji
Isn't that a movie? Ok...let's see how many emoji's I can create right now:
I'm out. I suck at emoji's1 -
STLBADGIRL wrote: »So did you all come up with an answer? I see why some people are so lost and confused on losing weight with all the theories floating around.... This thread is all over the place. From fat, to carbs, to sweets,etc., being the culprit. The truth is, we are fat because of lack of discipline and commitment, among a few other things. We blame everything and everyone else...we need to take responsibility.
Essentially, calories makes us fat.
PERFECT! I will stop eating calories then! Wait, how do I do that???
You stop eating excess calories
You eat calories to fuel your body minus x amount ...the body still needs the "minus x amount" and will take it from your body
It's not complicated, why try to make it complicated?
I was joking....I guess it was a really bad joke. I gotta work on my material
Try a drum and cymbals, I find that works best.
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Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!2
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andreakreymborg wrote: »If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.
i am eating sugar and cutting right now and I have lost about ten pounds. Care to explain how I am bypassing this magical process where sugar makes you gain fat in a calorie deficit?3 -
BiomedDent wrote: »lipogensis. Wikipedia is your friend.
please link us to the wikipedia post that claims you can gain fat in an energy deficit...0 -
sugar is such an amazing macro-nutrient it has the ability to change the basic laws of math and physics...wow, who knew?5
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imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
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lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
You cannot gain in a deficit. That means you are gaining weight in an energy deficit. What you probably did was inaccurately track calories, and use basic calculations which did not support your actual EE.
It takes trial and error to find your actual EE and creating a deficit.
ETA: Do you have IR/PCOS?5 -
lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
That is quite impossible. You were not in a deficit.4 -
lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
If you were not losing weight, you simply were not in a deficit...5 -
lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
So you lose water and glycogen and thus you have lost weight. Great, but what are you really trying to lose? If you just want to lose weight try amputation it's a short cut to losing weight. In all seriousness, though you need to re-evaluate how you came up with this because you are doing something wrong if you are in a deficit and think you are gaining weight just because of macro mix.1 -
andreakreymborg wrote: »If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers.
No, the correct answer is that it doesn't make you fat.
Eating too much in general makes you fat.This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
I don't believe for a second that the reason I might want a second cookie is because I think I'm starving. I mean, it really doesn't pass any kind of "wait, is this actually my experience?" test. Nice excuse, though.5 -
What is a calorie? Energy What is fat? Stored energy. Any energy that we don't use is converted to fat for later use.0
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Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!
I love chocolate covered almonds. Pret sells them in a 220 calorie serving sizes with a dark, milk, and white chocolate mix (I like the dark chocolate ones the best). Of the 220 calories, 80 are from sugar, and 126 are from fat. These are pretty high sugar example of chocolate-covered almonds, but they were an easy source and I do enjoy them occasionally.
Curious why you thought of us, but since chocolate covered almonds are delicious, I will assume that we are associated with positive, joyful experiences!2 -
lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
No, you can't gain weight in a calorie deficit. It's super easy to gain weight (or not lose weight, which is actually what you seem to be claiming) when you THINK you are in a calorie deficit. though!7 -
Always love when anecdotes are used as proof. I'll bet you if I TRACKED you, we'd find out why you aren't losing weight. And it usually comes down to eating more than you really think you do.lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
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andreakreymborg wrote: »If you really want to know sugar makes you fat because of the chemical reaction that happens when it is processed by our livers. This process stops the I'm full message getting to our brain. So our brain sends out the message "eat more food and don't do anything we are starving".
Search sweet poison in YouTube. It stooped me in my tracks.
Ugh. No, no, no. NOPE.
Youtube is NOT a trusted source if information. It is as trusted as facebook or tumblr. @andreakreymborg Try something credible backed up by science...lizziewhan wrote: »imajollyroger wrote: »Sugar and carbs absolutely make you fat! What do you think beer belly is? There's no fat in beer. The body converts sugar/carbs into fat if it can't utilize it immediately for fuel. Doesn't matter if excess calories. I can run a calorie deficit and gain weight if I consume too many carbs without using them. Sugar and carbs also make you more hungry like eating Chinese food. Your insulin gets high which blocks your satiety signals to your brain. Your body won't burn fat until the glycogen is depleted. First it uses glycogen, then it uses fat as reserve.
This is absolutely right! I am proof that you CAN gain even when in a calorie deficit. I was counting calories and working my butt off and not losing. WHAT you eat is a lot more important than HOW much you eat. If I am eating too many carbs I just can not lose weight...even if I am under my calorie goal. Its taken a lot of trial and error to learn this.
Wow.
And I've lost almost 100lbs including sugar in my diet.
Ps, I am not a special snowflake, either.
I win!
Ps... science doesn't agree with you, either, unless you can find some scientific evidence to prove your.....point.4 -
traceyroy54 wrote: »Why?
Oh boy, I'm 15 pages late into this conversation......
It doesn't.
A surplus of food makes us fat.
I was fat my entire adulthood eating little or no added sugar, and I've lost weight and successfully kept it off having adding sugar in my diet.
Why do you think sugar makes you fat?4 -
traceyroy54 wrote: »Why?
Oh boy, I'm 15 pages late into this conversation......
It doesn't.
A surplus of food makes us fat.
I was fat my entire adulthood eating little or no added sugar, and I've lost weight and successfully kept it off having adding sugar in my diet.
Why do you think sugar makes you fat?
S'Okay. We got dis.
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An excess of calories makes us fat, no matter the source of those calories. Sugar calories aren't special.
Well, actually....they are.....
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Last night I ate about 500 cals of chocolate covered almonds. I thought of you all as I ate them; so good!
I love chocolate covered almonds. Pret sells them in a 220 calorie serving sizes with a dark, milk, and white chocolate mix (I like the dark chocolate ones the best). Of the 220 calories, 80 are from sugar, and 126 are from fat. These are pretty high sugar example of chocolate-covered almonds, but they were an easy source and I do enjoy them occasionally.
Curious why you thought of us, but since chocolate covered almonds are delicious, I will assume that we are associated with positive, joyful experiences!
Chocolate covered almonds are my kryptonite. I am eternally grateful that the dark chocolate (the only ones worth eating, imo) from my easiest source to grab decent ones, Trader Joes, have a cross-contamination warning on the label so I can't eat them.
I'll likely seek some out around Christmas. I always associate chocolate covered nuts with Christmas. When I was growing up, we always had a box of Whitman's chocolate covered nuts out on the cookie buffet all season. They were my favorite. I'm also fond of chocolate covered Brazil nuts. The fat to sugar ratio on those must be even higher.2 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
I think sugar is going to power warp drived star ships in the future...only problem is going to be that the federation is going to be so obese they are all going to die from sugar overdoses...
kinda makes sense since Scotty was pretty fat in star trek...5
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