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Provide Your Sources
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it.
FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm a little worried since helloitsDan is back. Typing IPOARM may have been the nail in that coffin. I'm sure HWSNBN has his yahoosearch set to alert him.
Whelp, time to party like it's 2011 I guess.3 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm a little worried since helloitsDan is back. Typing IPOARM may have been the nail in that coffin. I'm sure HWSNBN has his yahoosearch set to alert him.
Whelp, time to party like it's 2011 I guess.
Bite your adorable tongue.
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm a little worried since helloitsDan is back. Typing IPOARM may have been the nail in that coffin. I'm sure HWSNBN has his yahoosearch set to alert him.
Whelp, time to party like it's 2011 I guess.
Wait, that's not how the song went!2 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm a little worried since helloitsDan is back. Typing IPOARM may have been the nail in that coffin. I'm sure HWSNBN has his yahoosearch set to alert him.
Whelp, time to party like it's 2011 I guess.
Wait, that's not how the song went!
That's just what we believed back then.
Now that science has advanced, it has been discovered that the song actually was about 2011.
I'm not going to provide a source because you can research for yourself.10 -
cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm reddy for a challenge that will bring me out of retirement like the old gunslinger I am.
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I think one of the problems with providing your sources is, you don't always know where you got your information from. I have done a lot of reading on thousands of topics and have lots of snippets of information about a million things. I can feel like it is right, but not know the original source or place I found it. Is the solution to look for a new source to back up what you are saying or to just keep your mouth shut?
Because sometimes peoples experiences or things they have read can be helpful. But I can see what you are saying with the whole flooding the world with nonsense.
Although, something I find upsetting about the mfp forums is that its hard to find health information, like some people on here act like all calories are equal and I don't think thats true... maybe for weightloss, but not for health. Sometimes I want to know what things will benefit my health the most, and if some things are beneficial or just woo.0 -
magicpickles wrote: »I think one of the problems with providing your sources is, you don't always know where you got your information from. I have done a lot of reading on thousands of topics and have lots of snippets of information about a million things. I can feel like it is right, but not know the original source or place I found it. Is the solution to look for a new source to back up what you are saying or to just keep your mouth shut?
Because sometimes peoples experiences or things they have read can be helpful. But I can see what you are saying with the whole flooding the world with nonsense.
Although, something I find upsetting about the mfp forums is that its hard to find health information, like some people on here act like all calories are equal and I don't think thats true... maybe for weightloss, but not for health. Sometimes I want to know what things will benefit my health the most, and if some things are beneficial or just woo.
This exemplifies the point though. There is a ton of information out there. Misinformation, and information that has been misconstrued to keep people confused. The more common of these is the media spin extrapolating studies beyond their actual findings and beyond what they can actually tell us. There are several resources that are better to use than others. Many websites look like they are legitimate, but when you look more closely, their bias shows. It is difficult to find good sources of data, but learning to question these things as you go along will help you in deciding.
The people I know who say a calorie is a calorie for weight loss, will also agree that with regards to nutrition, it is more complicated than that. The problem is that individual foods are not better or worse than others. You need to look at the entire diet. I can have ice cream tonight, and that could be a good choice, depending on how the rest of my day went. Likewise, choosing between pizza and burgers (a more recent discussion). It will depend on what else you are consuming, if it fits your goals, and if it will satisfy you. A calorie is a calorie is the only thing that matters for weight loss alone. If you are looking at health, it is much more complex.4 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »If we did that we would have higher standards than modern journalism does.
& presidential debates3 -
mommarnurse wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »If we did that we would have higher standards than modern journalism does.
& presidential debates
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cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm reddy for a challenge that will bring me out of retirement like the old gunslinger I am.
Nicely played. That one may have been even worse than HWSNBN.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm reddy for a challenge that will bring me out of retirement like the old gunslinger I am.
Nicely played. That one may have been even worse than HWSNBN.
Really? Who is that?
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cmriverside wrote: »
If by review, you mean 'uses google to find the first result with a title that confirms their beliefs', then yes
You're my neighbor, aren't you?
Even though this is the "Debate" forum, honestly I think we take all this w a a a a a y too seriously.
ry and anvil, you'll remember HWSNBN and the insane thousands of pages we spent arguing with him over stuff. There were a couple people who made it their life mission to argue with him and that was just as nutty IMO. I mean he was so "out there" that no one (and by no one, I mean I didn't) really believed him after the 1,000th thread and yet it took up day after day, thread after thread.
No. I'm not over it. FWP
Oh Lawd....STAHP! You might conjure him up again by mentioning it!
I'm reddy for a challenge that will bring me out of retirement like the old gunslinger I am.
Nicely played. That one may have been even worse than HWSNBN.
Really? Who is that?
Think of 'pooh' and a number after it.0 -
Come on guys.. don't go down that crap hole.2
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I was just making the point that when posters make wild claims, they can sometimes take those wild claims on a ride that most of us would be wise to step off. In regards to the OP, some posters with a tenuous grasp on reality will make up all kinds of stuff, and then try to link "sources" that aren't even sources, and then go on to argue forEVER. There is no reason to make this forum a source of anger or contention in life.
Instead of getting all upset and arguing for eleventyseven pages - just step off the ride.
With that said, I await my warning.
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Critically evaluating information while you research is important, yet many people take everything they read at face value. Gathering haphazard lists of citations isn't enough, nor is picking and choosing to sway an argument. Teach yourself to evaluate literature and the websites you pull info from - this is an asset especially if you are researching outside of your field of study and don't have a firm grasp on the entirety of what is being presented. It's not foolproof, but it's a good way to help zone in on reputable resources.
Tips for evaluating information resources:
http://www.library.illinois.edu/ugl/howdoi/webeval.html
http://guides.library.jhu.edu/c.php?g=202581&p=1334914
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/553/1/
-Your friendly medical librarian
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Critically evaluating information while you research is important, yet many people take everything they read at face value. Gathering haphazard lists of citations isn't enough, nor is picking and choosing to sway an argument. Teach yourself to evaluate literature and the websites you pull info from - this is an asset especially if you are researching outside of your field of study and don't have a firm grasp on the entirety of what is being presented. It's not foolproof, but it's a good way to help zone in on reputable resources.
Tips for evaluating information resources:
http://www.library.illinois.edu/ugl/howdoi/webeval.html
http://guides.library.jhu.edu/c.php?g=202581&p=1334914
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/553/1/
-Your friendly medical librarian
*waves hello* I'm a medical librarian too
Some other suggestions:- is my source trying to sell me something? (e.g. fee-based weight loss program)
- is my source the actual study or an interpretation of the study published in a magazine, paper, online site?
- is the actual study funded by a group or entity looking to bias results?
If it's the second one, I suggest looking in the article for author names, affiliations, title of the journal, and then going over to PubMed Citation Matcher and trying to locate it. Or to Google Scholar if it's not indexed in PubMed.3 -
FWIW, I read to learn, not so I can prove a point on some message board. I don't bookmark studies, articles, etc, so I rarely have sources at the ready if my thoughts don't fit all nice and tidy with what others think.
That's really OK as long as you're not presenting your opinion as scientific fact. Most of the discussions on the message boards are informal - this is the debate forum so here you would be expected to back up what you say.
"I read somewhere that" (copied from OP) is hardly presenting an opinion as scientific fact. It's not even really presenting an opinion. It's just sharing something you read.0 -
I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.1 -
not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.
I don't read many posts prefaced with "This scientific journal proves my theory". The majority are borne from peoples personal experiences and what they read on the google machine. Sure if someone says they came to their conclusion from reading a study, then ask where they read it and move on. Don't ridicule them for 10 pages and keep repeating "the onus is on you" blah blah blah
I'm not anyone's Mother on here, and forcing them to prove to me they're not lying or they are making something up, like i used to do with my children comes across a tad obnoxious imo. The pièce de résistance is "I'm calling you out for the lurkers who may be reading this" as if it is their God given moral duty to educate the masses :huh:2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.
I don't read many posts prefaced with "This scientific journal proves my theory". The majority are borne from peoples personal experiences and what they read on the google machine. Sure if someone says they came to their conclusion from reading a study, then ask where they read it and move on. Don't ridicule them for 10 pages and keep repeating "the onus is on you" blah blah blah
I'm not anyone's Mother on here, and forcing them to prove to me they're not lying or they are making something up, like i used to do with my children comes across a tad obnoxious imo. The pièce de résistance is "I'm calling you out for the lurkers who may be reading this" as if it is their God given moral duty to educate the masses :huh:
If you ever step into a diet soda thread, you inevitably see someone say "Don't drink diet soda, it causes cancer." IMO, this is really big statement that someone should be prepared to back up - you're telling people that this thing they consume all the time is going to kill them. So of course, knowing what we know, we say "No, it doesn't, it's been studied to death, it's safe." At which point the thread either moves on, or more cancer fearmongering comes out (and we invoke the name of Aaron, who reluctantly comes in to fight the good fight). This is where sources and studies are important. If you're super sure that diet soda is going to give you cancer, I want to know why. I want to know where your information is coming and why you think it's a valid source. "I heard it somewhere" or "I read it somewhere" or "I had an aunt who got cancer and she drank a lot of diet soda" is NOT acceptable in these situations; the onus IS on you to show why you're making big, scary claims.
IMO, "I read somewhere that some people get headaches from diet soda" is an example of something that doesn't really need a source. People on the board can say if they do or don't get headaches when drinking diet soda. It's not a life-threatening condition, it's not a reason most people would cut out diet soda (if you don't get headaches from it, it doesn't affect you negatively, so you can keep drinking it), and it's not controversial or blatantly untrue.6 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.
I don't read many posts prefaced with "This scientific journal proves my theory". The majority are borne from peoples personal experiences and what they read on the google machine. Sure if someone says they came to their conclusion from reading a study, then ask where they read it and move on. Don't ridicule them for 10 pages and keep repeating "the onus is on you" blah blah blah
I'm not anyone's Mother on here, and forcing them to prove to me they're not lying or they are making something up, like i used to do with my children comes across a tad obnoxious imo. The pièce de résistance is "I'm calling you out for the lurkers who may be reading this" as if it is their God given moral duty to educate the masses :huh:
If you ever step into a diet soda thread, you inevitably see someone say "Don't drink diet soda, it causes cancer." IMO, this is really big statement that someone should be prepared to back up - you're telling people that this thing they consume all the time is going to kill them. So of course, knowing what we know, we say "No, it doesn't, it's been studied to death, it's safe." At which point the thread either moves on, or more cancer fearmongering comes out (and we invoke the name of Aaron, who reluctantly comes in to fight the good fight). This is where sources and studies are important. If you're super sure that diet soda is going to give you cancer, I want to know why. I want to know where your information is coming and why you think it's a valid source. "I heard it somewhere" or "I read it somewhere" or "I had an aunt who got cancer and she drank a lot of diet soda" is NOT acceptable in these situations; the onus IS on you to show why you're making big, scary claims.
IMO, "I read somewhere that some people get headaches from diet soda" is an example of something that doesn't really need a source. People on the board can say if they do or don't get headaches when drinking diet soda. It's not a life-threatening condition, it's not a reason most people would cut out diet soda (if you don't get headaches from it, it doesn't affect you negatively, so you can keep drinking it), and it's not controversial or blatantly untrue.
LOL fair call, yes I've read plenty of the diet soda threads, which is why i choose not read them anymore.. I will admit, i choose to stay away from diet anything and aspartame and soda in general. One, because of the constant influx of I'm addicted to soda posts, It reminds of the term "liquid handcuffs" where you cant go a day without drinking a can or 10. And 2, my very unscientific gut feels on aspartame. But no, i would never go around telling all the diet soda drinkers that they're gonna drop dead of cancer due to drinking this stuff. What people choose to put in their own bodies is honestly none of business or concern.0 -
Also, I wonder if a study one day came out that said aspartame et al does cause cancer. Going by the posts saying "pry my soda out of my cold dead hands", if any of them would quit drinking it? Or would they run the gauntlet and say it's not going to happen to me, like smokers and alcoholics do to justify their "habit" ??0
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Christine_72 wrote: »Also, I wonder if a study one day came out that said aspartame et al does cause cancer. Going by the posts saying "pry my soda out of my cold dead hands", if any of them would quit drinking it? Or would they run the gauntlet and say it's not going to happen to me, like smokers and alcoholics do to justify their "habit" ??
At this point, everything causes cancer... so I am going out with enjoyment. The way I look at it, all the major killers in the world are largely obesity driven. So even if aspartame could increase the chances of cancer by some percentage, it would be low.. much lower than the chances of dying in a car crash. And in my area, the average person gets in a crash once every 4.5 years.6 -
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof4
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Christine_72 wrote: »Also, I wonder if a study one day came out that said aspartame et al does cause cancer. Going by the posts saying "pry my soda out of my cold dead hands", if any of them would quit drinking it? Or would they run the gauntlet and say it's not going to happen to me, like smokers and alcoholics do to justify their "habit" ??
At this point, everything causes cancer... so I am going out with enjoyment. The way I look at it, all the major killers in the world are largely obesity driven. So even if aspartame could increase the chances of cancer by some percentage, it would be low.. much lower than the chances of dying in a car crash. And in my area, the average person gets in a crash once every 4.5 years.
I would say the major killer is smoking.
And in the world, infectious diseases.
Not obesity, on a world level.
However, yes, risks need to be seen in perspective- for example I accept that eating processed meat above certain levels does increase bowel cancer risk ( no, don't have source at hand) but that doesn't mean I never eat a sausage again. It means I eat them in sensible amounts with minimal risk.
Likewise alcohol in excess, well known link to liver failure ( again, no source, sorry) - that doesn't mean I never have a glass of wine with dinner, it means I dont drink to excess.
Likewise it is not inconceivable that a study may show an increased risk of cancer with excessive amounts of soda. It hasn't yet but maybe it will.
If and when it does, I will limit my I take to a moderate amount with a minimal risk.
Since I only drink it in moderation now ( just like my sausages and alcohol intake, in fact) it is unlikely to change anything for me.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Also, I wonder if a study one day came out that said aspartame et al does cause cancer. Going by the posts saying "pry my soda out of my cold dead hands", if any of them would quit drinking it? Or would they run the gauntlet and say it's not going to happen to me, like smokers and alcoholics do to justify their "habit" ??
At this point, everything causes cancer... so I am going out with enjoyment. The way I look at it, all the major killers in the world are largely obesity driven. So even if aspartame could increase the chances of cancer by some percentage, it would be low.. much lower than the chances of dying in a car crash. And in my area, the average person gets in a crash once every 4.5 years.
I would say the major killer is smoking.
And in the world, infectious diseases.
Not obesity, on a world level.
However, yes, risks need to be seen in perspective- for example I accept that eating processed meat above certain levels does increase bowel cancer risk ( no, don't have source at hand) but that doesn't mean I never eat a sausage again. It means I eat them in sensible amounts with minimal risk.
Likewise alcohol in excess, well known link to liver failure ( again, no source, sorry) - that doesn't mean I never have a glass of wine with dinner, it means I dont drink to excess.
Likewise it is not inconceivable that a study may show an increased risk of cancer with excessive amounts of soda. It hasn't yet but maybe it will.
If and when it does, I will limit my I take to a moderate amount with a minimal risk.
Since I only drink it in moderation now ( just like my sausages and alcohol intake, in fact) it is unlikely to change anything for me.
Something you said made me think of something. Generally the people who make comments about aspartame and cancer are also those who do plenty of other things that arent good for health, like drinking or smoking. I laugh becauase i can count on one hand the number of drinks i have in a given year, never smoked or done drugs, i am a healthy weight and i exercise. But i do drink 50oz of diet soda (its my one vice). Ironically my BIL is one of those people. I laugh and point out how he doesnt exercise, eats horrible, drinks often and is gaining weight.3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.
I don't read many posts prefaced with "This scientific journal proves my theory". The majority are borne from peoples personal experiences and what they read on the google machine. Sure if someone says they came to their conclusion from reading a study, then ask where they read it and move on. Don't ridicule them for 10 pages and keep repeating "the onus is on you" blah blah blah
I'm not anyone's Mother on here, and forcing them to prove to me they're not lying or they are making something up, like i used to do with my children comes across a tad obnoxious imo. The pièce de résistance is "I'm calling you out for the lurkers who may be reading this" as if it is their God given moral duty to educate the masses :huh:
To me, those who show such attitude seem more oriented on misinforming the masses.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.
I don't read many posts prefaced with "This scientific journal proves my theory". The majority are borne from peoples personal experiences and what they read on the google machine. Sure if someone says they came to their conclusion from reading a study, then ask where they read it and move on. Don't ridicule them for 10 pages and keep repeating "the onus is on you" blah blah blah
I'm not anyone's Mother on here, and forcing them to prove to me they're not lying or they are making something up, like i used to do with my children comes across a tad obnoxious imo. The pièce de résistance is "I'm calling you out for the lurkers who may be reading this" as if it is their God given moral duty to educate the masses :huh:
To me, those who show such attitude seem more oriented on misinforming the masses.
May be true for some... But for me, i try hard not to dole out advice about things i haven't had personal experience with myself.3 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I could understand "citing ones sources" if i was a member of an Academic forum full of scientists and teachers.. But I'm not and nor am i am back at school
Sure there are studies that prove and disprove just about everything, but just because a study says such and such is safe does not mean that it is safe for everyone and some people dont experience negative side effects when ingesting said substance, for example.
I much prefer to read about peoples individual experiences and thoughts. Sure, there are some far out and just plain stupid advice and personal accounts posted here, but anyone with a modicum of common sense can pretty easily sift through the BS. We're all adults here, and we must all learn from personal experience as well as our mistakes.
Just because a study says it's so, doesnt make it so for every individual on the planet.
I think the point is that someone saying "I read this thing uh somewhere"and presenting that as scientific evidence is not necessarily valid.
I don't read many posts prefaced with "This scientific journal proves my theory". The majority are borne from peoples personal experiences and what they read on the google machine. Sure if someone says they came to their conclusion from reading a study, then ask where they read it and move on. Don't ridicule them for 10 pages and keep repeating "the onus is on you" blah blah blah
I'm not anyone's Mother on here, and forcing them to prove to me they're not lying or they are making something up, like i used to do with my children comes across a tad obnoxious imo. The pièce de résistance is "I'm calling you out for the lurkers who may be reading this" as if it is their God given moral duty to educate the masses :huh:
To me, those who show such attitude seem more oriented on misinforming the masses.
I always wonder what the point of passive-aggressive insults like this are. So anyone who thinks it is worthwhile to correct a false claim of fact is bent on misinforming the masses?
And back to Christine's comments, I'm actually more interested in discussing what works psychologically too, but that's going to be personal and depend on specifics to at least a large extent, so asserting "people must do this" should be corrected, and is not, in fact, about personal results.
What I see happen sometimes is someone will say something like "you should not skip breakfast or you will binge later in the day" or "you must not eat after 6, or your non-working night time metabolism won't burn it off and you will gain fat." People jump in and point out that this is a dieting myth (because the plethora of dieting myths is in many of our opinions why it feels overwhelming to people and are harmful), and then the person who repeated the myth as fact, perhaps embarrassed, asserts "why are people being mean, I was just saying what worked for me." No, if you were saying what worked for you (as I often do, and think is helpful), you'd have said "I find it helps me not eat too much if I stop eating at 6," "have breakfast," whatever).
Gianfranco, maybe I'm reading too much into one of your vague comments, but I suspect you are on about the strawman that people try to discourage nutritious eating, and I don't see that at all. Saying that you don't have to (although you can if you want) eliminate sugar or cheese or pasta or whatever or go low carb to have a healthful diet or eat absolutely nothing processed (which no one saying that ever seems to actually do) is IMO the opposite of saying don't care about or learn about nutrition. It's encouraging a focus on what an actual healthful diet is.13
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