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CICO is not the whole equation
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
My girlfriend is the same way with her coffee. She's 5'1" and weighs like 96 lbs. I don't think her weight has ever shifted more than five pounds in either direction since I met her in 2003.
I learned how to drink my coffee without sugar but man,I dont know how they do it lol1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
My girlfriend is the same way with her coffee. She's 5'1" and weighs like 96 lbs. I don't think her weight has ever shifted more than five pounds in either direction since I met her in 2003.
I learned how to drink my coffee without sugar but man,I dont know how they do it lol
Neither do I. At most I can take some SF Hershey's syrup and SF Torani.1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
Wow... That's about 4 lbs of sugar per week (in just coffee). I was curious and googled. There is 1755kcal in a pound of sugar. That's 7020 kcal per week or about 1000 kcal per day... in sugar. There's 4 calories of sugar per gram. 4 g of sugar per teaspoon. That's 250 g of sugar per day, or over 60 teaspoons of sugar. Is that right?CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
Does he have a glucometre? Is his postprandial blood glucose normal? If so, he is truly designed as a sugar burner.
I dont know if thats right or not lol he has NO sugar issues at all. as for checking his postprandial blood glucose, we dont have a meter because everytime he has been checked or had blood work done its always normal so the dr doesnt think he needs to check it as he has never had any issues,he has no symptoms of anything either. but hes always on the go. hes had all kinds of tests over the year and even a stress test and so on and they come back with flying colors. dr says hes as healthy as someone half his age. I dont get it either.I know maybe we should get one just for craps and giggles. but they arent cheap here and you have to have a script to get the test strips and stuff through insurance. cant really afford to pay out of pocket for those things.hes done this for years too. he drinks more coffee than sodas and stuff but still. a 4lb bag would last me forever as long as my daughter didnt need it to bake lol.
That's darn impressive insulin sensitivity if he is keeping his BG normal.
If you do get a BG meter, sometimes you can get them free if you buy the test strips. Up here, Alberta Canada, the test strips are the expensive part. We can get them without a prescription but it is over the counter.
I think I last bought a 1kg bag of sugar back in 2015. LOL
yeah hes always active, was hyperactive as a kid but sugar doesnt seem to affect him. If I ate that much I would have a sugar rush(high)
I'd just have the sugar crash.
yeah I would get that after the sugar rush and then feel like utter crap the next day. I eat sugar dont get me wrong but nowhere near what he does.
I have always wished I would get a sugar rush.
All I do is get really tired (if I eat an abnormal amount of sugar). My Mumm was probably thankful for that as I child. haha 5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
Wow... That's about 4 lbs of sugar per week (in just coffee). I was curious and googled. There is 1755kcal in a pound of sugar. That's 7020 kcal per week or about 1000 kcal per day... in sugar. There's 4 calories of sugar per gram. 4 g of sugar per teaspoon. That's 250 g of sugar per day, or over 60 teaspoons of sugar. Is that right?CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
Does he have a glucometre? Is his postprandial blood glucose normal? If so, he is truly designed as a sugar burner.
I dont know if thats right or not lol he has NO sugar issues at all. as for checking his postprandial blood glucose, we dont have a meter because everytime he has been checked or had blood work done its always normal so the dr doesnt think he needs to check it as he has never had any issues,he has no symptoms of anything either. but hes always on the go. hes had all kinds of tests over the year and even a stress test and so on and they come back with flying colors. dr says hes as healthy as someone half his age. I dont get it either.I know maybe we should get one just for craps and giggles. but they arent cheap here and you have to have a script to get the test strips and stuff through insurance. cant really afford to pay out of pocket for those things.hes done this for years too. he drinks more coffee than sodas and stuff but still. a 4lb bag would last me forever as long as my daughter didnt need it to bake lol.
That's darn impressive insulin sensitivity if he is keeping his BG normal.
If you do get a BG meter, sometimes you can get them free if you buy the test strips. Up here, Alberta Canada, the test strips are the expensive part. We can get them without a prescription but it is over the counter.
I think I last bought a 1kg bag of sugar back in 2015. LOL
yeah hes always active, was hyperactive as a kid but sugar doesnt seem to affect him. If I ate that much I would have a sugar rush(high)
I'd just have the sugar crash.
yeah I would get that after the sugar rush and then feel like utter crap the next day. I eat sugar dont get me wrong but nowhere near what he does.
I have always wished I would get a sugar rush. All I do is get really tired (if I eat an abnormal amount of sugar). My Mumm was probably thankful for that as I child. haha
Same here. I have read a few articles that posit the "sugar rush" is placebo effect. I don't have any links so I can't back that up with anything.0 -
But instead of people on here being open-minded I see a lot of people that live to slam others. Notice - my slam was a general one - I did not pick out a person for public shaming. I have a very hard time being mean to people - I consider that weakness of mine - but at the same time I read these forms and get angry at the amt of bullying I read.
Some people actually do want to be right over anything else, even common sense. Some of these folks are know it alls, but this is the debate section so, u will get that a lot on this board. In any case, ur points are well taken by the majority of us, l think1 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
Wow... That's about 4 lbs of sugar per week (in just coffee). I was curious and googled. There is 1755kcal in a pound of sugar. That's 7020 kcal per week or about 1000 kcal per day... in sugar. There's 4 calories of sugar per gram. 4 g of sugar per teaspoon. That's 250 g of sugar per day, or over 60 teaspoons of sugar. Is that right?CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
Does he have a glucometre? Is his postprandial blood glucose normal? If so, he is truly designed as a sugar burner.
I dont know if thats right or not lol he has NO sugar issues at all. as for checking his postprandial blood glucose, we dont have a meter because everytime he has been checked or had blood work done its always normal so the dr doesnt think he needs to check it as he has never had any issues,he has no symptoms of anything either. but hes always on the go. hes had all kinds of tests over the year and even a stress test and so on and they come back with flying colors. dr says hes as healthy as someone half his age. I dont get it either.I know maybe we should get one just for craps and giggles. but they arent cheap here and you have to have a script to get the test strips and stuff through insurance. cant really afford to pay out of pocket for those things.hes done this for years too. he drinks more coffee than sodas and stuff but still. a 4lb bag would last me forever as long as my daughter didnt need it to bake lol.
That's darn impressive insulin sensitivity if he is keeping his BG normal.
If you do get a BG meter, sometimes you can get them free if you buy the test strips. Up here, Alberta Canada, the test strips are the expensive part. We can get them without a prescription but it is over the counter.
I think I last bought a 1kg bag of sugar back in 2015. LOL
yeah hes always active, was hyperactive as a kid but sugar doesnt seem to affect him. If I ate that much I would have a sugar rush(high)
I'd just have the sugar crash.
yeah I would get that after the sugar rush and then feel like utter crap the next day. I eat sugar dont get me wrong but nowhere near what he does.
I have always wished I would get a sugar rush. All I do is get really tired (if I eat an abnormal amount of sugar). My Mumm was probably thankful for that as I child. haha
Same here. I have read a few articles that posit the "sugar rush" is placebo effect. I don't have any links so I can't back that up with anything.
Makes sense that I would be placebo. I don't get a sugar rush or a sugar crash when I eat lots of sugar. My energy is pretty stable in that regard. I've only learned about "sugar rush" on the internet so I wasn't predisposed to the placebo to start with. The only thing I knew about sugar as a kid other than it being in many tasty things was that it wasn't good for my diabetic grandmother and I felt sad for her.1 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
Wow... That's about 4 lbs of sugar per week (in just coffee). I was curious and googled. There is 1755kcal in a pound of sugar. That's 7020 kcal per week or about 1000 kcal per day... in sugar. There's 4 calories of sugar per gram. 4 g of sugar per teaspoon. That's 250 g of sugar per day, or over 60 teaspoons of sugar. Is that right?CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
Does he have a glucometre? Is his postprandial blood glucose normal? If so, he is truly designed as a sugar burner.
I dont know if thats right or not lol he has NO sugar issues at all. as for checking his postprandial blood glucose, we dont have a meter because everytime he has been checked or had blood work done its always normal so the dr doesnt think he needs to check it as he has never had any issues,he has no symptoms of anything either. but hes always on the go. hes had all kinds of tests over the year and even a stress test and so on and they come back with flying colors. dr says hes as healthy as someone half his age. I dont get it either.I know maybe we should get one just for craps and giggles. but they arent cheap here and you have to have a script to get the test strips and stuff through insurance. cant really afford to pay out of pocket for those things.hes done this for years too. he drinks more coffee than sodas and stuff but still. a 4lb bag would last me forever as long as my daughter didnt need it to bake lol.
That's darn impressive insulin sensitivity if he is keeping his BG normal.
If you do get a BG meter, sometimes you can get them free if you buy the test strips. Up here, Alberta Canada, the test strips are the expensive part. We can get them without a prescription but it is over the counter.
I think I last bought a 1kg bag of sugar back in 2015. LOL
yeah hes always active, was hyperactive as a kid but sugar doesnt seem to affect him. If I ate that much I would have a sugar rush(high)
I'd just have the sugar crash.
yeah I would get that after the sugar rush and then feel like utter crap the next day. I eat sugar dont get me wrong but nowhere near what he does.
I have always wished I would get a sugar rush. All I do is get really tired (if I eat an abnormal amount of sugar). My Mumm was probably thankful for that as I child. haha
Same here. I have read a few articles that posit the "sugar rush" is placebo effect. I don't have any links so I can't back that up with anything.
well I dont know what it would be then,since I dont eat a lot of extra sugar and I dont get that way any other time(not saying its not a placebo),but I have several health issues and for me my energy is always low, I have very few days where I have a decent amount of energy. caffeine does nothing for me energy wise.maybe its a rise in insulin at the time but I dont have any symptoms other than being full of energy when I eat lots of sugar(going over calories overload of sugar).some days I am tired all day long no matter how much sleep I get(no I dont have sleep apnea).I have always had low energy as an adult.I have tried everything to see if it would change,nope.I dont have any blood glucose issues,Im not diabetic.Its just odd when it happens sometimes its worse than others.but the only symptom I have is lots of energy. Then the next day I have stomach issues and feel crappy.so even if it is a placebo I will still call it my sugar rush lol.1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
Wow... That's about 4 lbs of sugar per week (in just coffee). I was curious and googled. There is 1755kcal in a pound of sugar. That's 7020 kcal per week or about 1000 kcal per day... in sugar. There's 4 calories of sugar per gram. 4 g of sugar per teaspoon. That's 250 g of sugar per day, or over 60 teaspoons of sugar. Is that right?CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I found this interesting about sugar-http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Organic/sugar.html and gallowmere I love spree candy. I guess those of use who eat high amounts of carbs and sugar should be dead. including my hubby who went through 2-4lb bags of sugar in less than 2 weeks just for coffee, that is not counting his candy,cookies,soda. no one baked with that sugar,he consumed over 7lbs of it himself(some he spilled lol) . hes not obese, his heart is good,hes in good health as well. if anyone should be dead its him if sugar is that bad for you. Im not even joking I wish I were I told him he had a problem lol
Does he have a glucometre? Is his postprandial blood glucose normal? If so, he is truly designed as a sugar burner.
I dont know if thats right or not lol he has NO sugar issues at all. as for checking his postprandial blood glucose, we dont have a meter because everytime he has been checked or had blood work done its always normal so the dr doesnt think he needs to check it as he has never had any issues,he has no symptoms of anything either. but hes always on the go. hes had all kinds of tests over the year and even a stress test and so on and they come back with flying colors. dr says hes as healthy as someone half his age. I dont get it either.I know maybe we should get one just for craps and giggles. but they arent cheap here and you have to have a script to get the test strips and stuff through insurance. cant really afford to pay out of pocket for those things.hes done this for years too. he drinks more coffee than sodas and stuff but still. a 4lb bag would last me forever as long as my daughter didnt need it to bake lol.
That's darn impressive insulin sensitivity if he is keeping his BG normal.
If you do get a BG meter, sometimes you can get them free if you buy the test strips. Up here, Alberta Canada, the test strips are the expensive part. We can get them without a prescription but it is over the counter.
I think I last bought a 1kg bag of sugar back in 2015. LOL
yeah hes always active, was hyperactive as a kid but sugar doesnt seem to affect him. If I ate that much I would have a sugar rush(high)
I'd just have the sugar crash.
yeah I would get that after the sugar rush and then feel like utter crap the next day. I eat sugar dont get me wrong but nowhere near what he does.
I have always wished I would get a sugar rush. All I do is get really tired (if I eat an abnormal amount of sugar). My Mumm was probably thankful for that as I child. haha
Same here. I have read a few articles that posit the "sugar rush" is placebo effect. I don't have any links so I can't back that up with anything.
well I dont know what it would be then,since I dont eat a lot of extra sugar and I dont get that way any other time(not saying its not a placebo),but I have several health issues and for me my energy is always low, I have very few days where I have a decent amount of energy. caffeine does nothing for me energy wise.maybe its a rise in insulin at the time but I dont have any symptoms other than being full of energy when I eat lots of sugar(going over calories overload of sugar).some days I am tired all day long no matter how much sleep I get(no I dont have sleep apnea).I have always had low energy as an adult.I have tried everything to see if it would change,nope.I dont have any blood glucose issues,Im not diabetic.Its just odd when it happens sometimes its worse than others.but the only symptom I have is lots of energy. Then the next day I have stomach issues and feel crappy.so even if it is a placebo I will still call it my sugar rush lol.
I'm not saying it is either, at least I'm not without any evidence but a vague memory of reading about it.
I have fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue and possibly some autoimmune going on, so I know what you mean about the energy. Caffeine doesn't do kitten for me either. I do find that having higher carbs helps me, but it's independent of sugar. I'm definitely not discounting your experience. For those of us with chronic illness, whatever works works. Don't mess with it.1 -
I think the perception that kids go wild when fed sugar is the thing that's been shown not to be true but caused by pre-conceived ideas (people are looking for it, so see it in behavior that would happen anyway) or encourage it by saying "oh, you are going to be hyper now since you've had sugar" or some such. When neither the parents nor kids knew they had sugar it didn't happen/wasn't seen.
I personally do find that I want sugar or quick carbs (could be starchy stuff or sometimes extra juicy fruit like pineapple or a peach for me) when tired/low energy. If I tell myself it's just lack of sleep and go for coffee it's fine, but cravings are more common, so I do think my body is seeking quick energy. If I go for it with food it lasts for a bit and wears off, so I end up wanting to eat and going up and down all day. NOT giving into that has made my energy more stable (even though my sleep is still mediocre). It's certainly possible that people have different physical reactions to sugar/fast carbs, though -- in fact I think people do.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I think the perception that kids go wild when fed sugar is the thing that's been shown not to be true but caused by pre-conceived ideas (people are looking for it, so see it in behavior that would happen anyway) or encourage it by saying "oh, you are going to be hyper now since you've had sugar" or some such. When neither the parents nor kids knew they had sugar it didn't happen/wasn't seen.
That's basically what the article said. I'll have to see if I can dig it up. I *think* it was on ScienceBasedMedicine.org, but I'm not 100% sure.
edited to add: Nope! But when I searched that site for "sugar rush" an article on placebo effect came up, which made me laugh. But it's not the article I was hunting.I personally do find that I want sugar or quick carbs (could be starchy stuff or sometimes extra juicy fruit like pineapple or a peach for me) when tired/low energy. If I tell myself it's just lack of sleep and go for coffee it's fine, but cravings are more common, so I do think my body is seeking quick energy. If I go for it with food it lasts for a bit and wears off, so I end up wanting to eat and going up and down all day. NOT giving into that has made my energy more stable (even though my sleep is still mediocre). It's certainly possible that people have different physical reactions to sugar/fast carbs, though -- in fact I think people do.
I find this to be true also. But I don't know if my body is craving carbs or if I just want them because I don't feel good and they're comfort food to me. I also find that I have less willpower when tired, and those two things are not a good combo.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I think the perception that kids go wild when fed sugar is the thing that's been shown not to be true but caused by pre-conceived ideas (people are looking for it, so see it in behavior that would happen anyway) or encourage it by saying "oh, you are going to be hyper now since you've had sugar" or some such. When neither the parents nor kids knew they had sugar it didn't happen/wasn't seen..
There's also a component to it that the events in which children are likely to consume quite a bit of sugar in a short amount of time, be hyper and then crash later are events like birthday parties where kids are jumping on bounce houses, running around with their friends, and in general more stimulated than normal. People blame the sugar in the cake and ice cream but in actuality, the kids would likely act the same and then crash later even if the party served string cheese, pretzels and veggies.
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It might have been this one:
http://www.yalescientific.org/2010/09/mythbusters-does-sugar-really-make-children-hyper/
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For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.0
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NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.8 -
NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.8 -
WinoGelato wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I think the perception that kids go wild when fed sugar is the thing that's been shown not to be true but caused by pre-conceived ideas (people are looking for it, so see it in behavior that would happen anyway) or encourage it by saying "oh, you are going to be hyper now since you've had sugar" or some such. When neither the parents nor kids knew they had sugar it didn't happen/wasn't seen..
There's also a component to it that the events in which children are likely to consume quite a bit of sugar in a short amount of time, be hyper and then crash later are events like birthday parties where kids are jumping on bounce houses, running around with their friends, and in general more stimulated than normal. People blame the sugar in the cake and ice cream but in actuality, the kids would likely act the same and then crash later even if the party served string cheese, pretzels and veggies.
Anecdotal: I have been to many "added sugar free" birthday parties where the children were just as hyper and excited as "regular" birthday parties. It's just what lots of kids do during exciting and novel situations.4 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.2 -
NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
An out of balance CICO can also transform a healthy weight person in to an obese person. That's what happened in my case...my calories in were far greater than my calories out.
This is one thing that drives me insane...when people use the term CICO as if it was a weight loss plan. The same thing is done with IIFYM. That is not a weight loss plan either.
Okay...my rant for now.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Because food is delicious and abundant in a large part of the world.6 -
CICO is the equation for weight loss/gain/maintenance. It's not disputed by the science community. Where people get confused is when health issues or predispostion enter the equation.NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Nor is it designed to do so.
This observation is like saying that understanding how a car works doesn't explain why someone would want to drive to a Nickleback concert.29 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Because food is delicious and abundant in a large part of the world.
But that fact doesn't make CICO wrong.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Nor is it designed to do so.
This observation is like saying that understanding how a car works doesn't explain why someone would want to drive to a Nickleback concert.
It's still early, 9:30 am here, but I'm going out on a limb and saying this is the post of the day...
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janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Nor is it designed to do so.
This observation is like saying that understanding how a car works doesn't explain why someone would want to drive to a Nickleback concert.
I laughed.
Anyway, agreed. It's the same as saying "eat less move more." Yes, it's true. But people still get frustrated by it because it doesn't address the reasons why they eat more and move less. That's a separate, albeit related, conversation.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
And no one has ever said it does, since it is not an explanation of that by its nature.
Of course, why we overeat is easy to understand and requires no explanation.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nor is it designed to do so.
This observation is like saying that understanding how a car works doesn't explain why someone would want to drive to a Nickleback concert.
lol.
I think a better analogy is blaming a math equation for why you can't do math.
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janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Nor is it designed to do so.
This observation is like saying that understanding how a car works doesn't explain why someone would want to drive to a Nickleback concert.
Heh, beat me to it and MUCH funnier also.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
It is in no way intended to.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Maybe it would be beneficial to go live in a 3rd world country for awhile and it will be apparent?
Energy balance is a difference topic then: the behavioral, psychological and societal impacts of food abundance in a low exercise environment.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »NatureOfMan wrote: »For the most part CICO works. Using CICO can transform someone from being overweight to someone being healthy, however anyone who believe CICO is the be all and end all needs to up their knowledge on how hormones in the body operate.
If you believe that, then you dont know actually understand CICO is. Its an energy balance equation. Hormones effect metabolism and other factors which fall into CICO.
I think this is the main thing people who complain about CICO don't understand. Things like health issues, TEF, etc. are still part of the CICO equation. The number MFP spits out for you might not work for you, but that doesn't mean CICO doesn't work for you. It just means you don't know all of the variables in the equation.
I agree. CICO cannot be wrong. However in no way does it explain Why we tend to overeat.
Because food is delicious and abundant in a large part of the world.
But that fact doesn't make CICO wrong.
Why would you think that these two things need to explain each other? They are completely separate events. One is an objective, quantitative, mathematical equation. One requires a person to consider a variety of related scientific variables including but not limited to: economics, history, sociology, psychology, and biology...6
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