Why do some people struggle with losing weight?
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misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
The vast majority are ignorant of what is needed to lose weight. Many cannot get past personal demons around food. Many of us have been conditioned to unhealthy habits such as clean your plate. Combine this with the vast
I dont think the vast majority of them are ignorant, some are but not the vast majority.
Maybe the OP is asking the wrong question. Maybe the question really is: Why is some people I know content with beeing a little overweight?
Because not everyone is trying to lose weight. Maybe some people are happy the way they look and feel, but still want to eat "clean" and exercise but for health reasons and not weight reasons.
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grmckenzie wrote: »
For weightloss, yes, but there are very rare medical conditions that lower CO so much that to keep CI lower would lead to malnutrition. However, nobody on any website should be armchair diagnosing that sort of thing; it's a "go talk to your doctor" scenario.1 -
SusanMFindlay wrote: »grmckenzie wrote: »
For weightloss, yes, but there are very rare medical conditions that lower CO so much that to keep CI lower would lead to malnutrition. However, nobody on any website should be armchair diagnosing that sort of thing; it's a "go talk to your doctor" scenario.
Absolutely. In no way am I suggesting that medical issues should not be considered in weight loss. This is more of a definition issue of CICO.
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I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
During my first go-round trying to lose weight, I did many of these things (trying to eat healthier, drinking more water, exercise, calorie counting, etc.) but I think the central reason it didn't "stick" was because I approached it as a diet, not a lifestyle or mindset. I couldn't wait until I was no longer at 1200 calories. And the second I was happy enough with my body weight that I decided to not eat at 1200 calories, you can bet that all my progress flew right out the window.
BTW, I agree with the comment earlier that CICO is true, but the actual CI and CO are where things get complicated. Simply bringing up CICO is a very scientific approach (by "scientific" I mean evidence-based and clinical). However, we are not just physical beings, we are also emotionally-wrought, financially-bound, culturally-encased beings. While none of these things disqualify CICO, they all complicate it vastly in the day-to-day lives of nearly everyone. Knowing CICO is simple; executing it is a very individualized and frequently challenging process.4 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
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Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others2 -
red99ryder wrote: »I think one.reason might be we tend to eat with our wallet .. an example I was buying a.frozen dinner ( I'm a guy lol ) and for 50 cents more I could have bought same thing with twice as many calories/twice the food ..
Oh, gosh, this is so true. I never get a Large meal in McDonald's, but when they ask, I always have this moment of regret - like I'm being WASTEFUL for not buying masses of food I don't need or want, just because it's cheap! Stupid brain.
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singingflutelady wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others
I can see that this would make sense BUT I have been surprised before, on other forums. (I don't really have the "insider scoop" on this one in particular and I don't want to, this forum is just for fun, for me. But I don't see any reason for MFP to be entirely contrary to the typical forum as far as dynamics go.)
You never really know.
All you know is that you're making a common judgment about noobs, then cementing that "fact" by deciding, whether you know for real or not, that it must be the noobs flagging.
I'm not trying to be contrary, and in some cases what you say may be true, but...I haven't noticed, on internet forums in general, including this one, an overwhelming maturity and an "above it" mentality for established members. Established members are still people and in my experienced some longstanding folks (not all, of course) get KITTENED, with a capital P when anybody disagrees with their dictates, and respond accordingly, but more secretively in general.
I have also seen little mini-tiffs happen where supposed longstanding "friends" start an elementary-school secret reporting war against one another, then point the finger elsewhere. This is the internet, LOL. It's not really the last island of maturity in a see of tech or something. Just don't be so sure, is all I'm saying.
It doesn't matter anyway, really...I am sure the mods weed out what is a silly flag v. what is a legitimate flag. JMO.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others
MORE than others. It's almost always (or so it seems) when someone new comes in, spouts utter nonsense, and that nonsense is corrected by people who have actually learned better. The "veteran" posters end up with flags.6 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others
I can see that this would make sense BUT I have been surprised before, on other forums. (I don't really have the "insider scoop" on this one in particular and I don't want to, this forum is just for fun, for me. But I don't see any reason for MFP to be entirely contrary to the typical forum as far as dynamics go.)
You never really know.
All you know is that you're making a common judgment about noobs, then cementing that "fact" by deciding, whether you know for real or not, that it must be the noobs flagging.
I'm not trying to be contrary, and in some cases what you say may be true, but...I haven't noticed, on internet forums in general, including this one, an overwhelming maturity and an "above it" mentality for established members. Established members are still people and in my experienced some longstanding folks (certainly not all, of course) get KITTENED, with a capital P when anybody disagrees with their dictates, and respond accordingly.
I have also seen little mini-tiffs happen where supposed longstanding "friends" start an elementary-school secret reporting war against one another, then point the finger elsewhere. This is the internet, LOL. It's not really the last island of maturity in a see of tech or something. Just don't be so sure, is all I'm saying.
It doesn't matter anyway, really...I am sure the mods weed out what is a silly flag v. what is a legitimate flag. JMO.
Also if you flag someone and it is deemed silly (I flagged some for spam when I should have reported it as advertising as it was not a spam bot) the moderators send you a pm explaining the flag system and say that future misuses will resulting in warnings (which add up and can become banning) so it would be rather stupid to repeat the misdemeanor and risk being in jail and banned over flagging.2 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others
MORE than others. It's almost always (or so it seems) when someone new comes in, spouts utter nonsense, and that nonsense is corrected by people who have actually learned better. The "veteran" posters end up with flags.
I don't know and I haven't kept track, but since the sort of topic you describe is bound to push buttons all over the place, I can see it being a flag-for-all no matter what...noobs, secret oldsters, anybody. Stuff like that tends to turn into a you-know-what storm. I don't know why. "No" should be enough. LOL.
Again, JMO.0 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!3 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
No, that's not what he is saying at all. That is what you are assuming he is saying.0 -
misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Oh, I would be one of those people! For me it's because I like to eat, drink and be merry. I like that a LOT. Sometimes I like it more than losing weight. Healthy food has calories too. But, oh boy, wouldn't it be great if it didn't!!
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Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
No, that's not what he is saying at all. That is what you are assuming he is saying.
Is this tongue in cheek?2 -
singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others
I can see that this would make sense BUT I have been surprised before, on other forums. (I don't really have the "insider scoop" on this one in particular and I don't want to, this forum is just for fun, for me. But I don't see any reason for MFP to be entirely contrary to the typical forum as far as dynamics go.)
You never really know.
All you know is that you're making a common judgment about noobs, then cementing that "fact" by deciding, whether you know for real or not, that it must be the noobs flagging.
I'm not trying to be contrary, and in some cases what you say may be true, but...I haven't noticed, on internet forums in general, including this one, an overwhelming maturity and an "above it" mentality for established members. Established members are still people and in my experienced some longstanding folks (certainly not all, of course) get KITTENED, with a capital P when anybody disagrees with their dictates, and respond accordingly.
I have also seen little mini-tiffs happen where supposed longstanding "friends" start an elementary-school secret reporting war against one another, then point the finger elsewhere. This is the internet, LOL. It's not really the last island of maturity in a see of tech or something. Just don't be so sure, is all I'm saying.
It doesn't matter anyway, really...I am sure the mods weed out what is a silly flag v. what is a legitimate flag. JMO.
Also if you flag someone and it is deemed silly (I flagged some for spam when I should have reported it as advertising as it was not a spam bot) the moderators send you a pm explaining the flag system and say that future misuses will resulting in warnings (which add up and can become banning) so it would be rather stupid to repeat the misdemeanor and risk being in jail and banned over flagging.
Oh, this is good to know. So it's not a surprise or anything, "Hey, I've been flagging incorrectly..." The person is then warned? I should read the TOS once in a while, LOL.
This is good, IMO.
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misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Not saying this is the case for everyone, but some heath conditions make it harder to lose weight. PCOS and thyroid disorders are the two main medical reasons I'm aware of or Maybe they may be eating too much or not as healthy as you suspect? I know someone said PCOS is an excuse people use, but I believe it may actually make weight loss slower, even if you eat actual healthy foods and excerise daily (while having a calorie deficit). That being said, I do believe losing weight with PCOS is possible.1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
No, that's not what he is saying at all. That is what you are assuming he is saying.
Is this tongue in cheek?
No, I am not being tongue in cheek.
CICO is fat loss at the most basic level. Struggling with weight loss is a bigger issue than just looking at CICO.
I will use myself as an example. This year I lost 8 pounds from January through March. At the end of March my work-related stress shot through the roof for a variety of reasons. I increased my caloric deficit but saw no movement on the scale so I added more exercise. Still no movement on the scale. Meanwhile, my work stress increased again significantly, I lost my period, and my emotions were a mess (I am not a person who cries very often and I was crying every night.) Eventually I realized that my NEAT expenditure was in the tank and I started reading more about long term consequences of losing your period and how NEAT can dip significantly in a cut so I backed off on my deficit and on exercise. That went fairly well to destress me a bit. By that point I'd gone 5 months without losing a pound. Around that time I had a DEXA, the results of which were pretty terrible, and I pretty much said screw it and I ate whatever I wanted for 6 weeks. The plus side of that was that my period finally returned but the minus was that I gained some weight. At the most basic level was that due to CICO? Absolutely. But was my struggle simply due to CICO? No way. My struggle was with balancing a variety of issues going on in my life, not simply what I was eating.
If people think my problems this year were simply due to:- a disconnect in [my]self-control between "I want" and "I will"
- Nothing is my fault, I'm a special snowflake, and I'm amazing no matter what.
- because I hide behind excuses 80% of the time, And 19.9% is just lack of educating [myself].
...that's all fine. I'm not fragile enough to get bogged down by those comments. But others who may not have been at the weight loss game very long may be and I truly feel for them.15 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
No, that's not what he is saying at all. That is what you are assuming he is saying.
Is this tongue in cheek?
No, I am not being tongue in cheek.
CICO is fat loss at the most basic level. Struggling with weight loss is a bigger issue than just looking at CICO.
I will use myself as an example. This year I lost 8 pounds from January through March. At the end of March my work-related stress shot through the roof for a variety of reasons. I increased my caloric deficit but saw no movement on the scale so I added more exercise. Still no movement on the scale. Meanwhile, my work stress increased again significantly, I lost my period, and my emotions were a mess (I am not a person who cries very often and I was crying every night.) Eventually I realized that my NEAT expenditure was in the tank and I started reading more about long term consequences of losing your period and how NEAT can dip significantly in a cut so I backed off on my deficit and on exercise. That went fairly well to destress me a bit. By that point I'd gone 5 months without losing a pound. Around that time I had a DEXA, the results of which were pretty terrible, and I pretty much said screw it and I ate whatever I wanted for 6 weeks. The plus side of that was that my period finally returned but the minus was that I gained some weight. At the most basic level was that due to CICO? Absolutely. But was my struggle simply due to CICO? No way. My struggle was with balancing a variety of issues going on in my life, not simply what I was eating.
If people think my problems this year were simply due to:- a disconnect in [my]self-control between "I want" and "I will"
- Nothing is my fault, I'm a special snowflake, and I'm amazing no matter what.
- because I hide behind excuses 80% of the time, And 19.9% is just lack of educating [myself].
...that's all fine. I'm not fragile enough to get bogged down by those comments. But others who may not have been at the weight loss game very long may be and I truly feel for them.
Then, what is the OP saying? I missed it.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
No, that's not what he is saying at all. That is what you are assuming he is saying.
Is this tongue in cheek?
No, I am not being tongue in cheek.
CICO is fat loss at the most basic level. Struggling with weight loss is a bigger issue than just looking at CICO.
I will use myself as an example. This year I lost 8 pounds from January through March. At the end of March my work-related stress shot through the roof for a variety of reasons. I increased my caloric deficit but saw no movement on the scale so I added more exercise. Still no movement on the scale. Meanwhile, my work stress increased again significantly, I lost my period, and my emotions were a mess (I am not a person who cries very often and I was crying every night.) Eventually I realized that my NEAT expenditure was in the tank and I started reading more about long term consequences of losing your period and how NEAT can dip significantly in a cut so I backed off on my deficit and on exercise. That went fairly well to destress me a bit. By that point I'd gone 5 months without losing a pound. Around that time I had a DEXA, the results of which were pretty terrible, and I pretty much said screw it and I ate whatever I wanted for 6 weeks. The plus side of that was that my period finally returned but the minus was that I gained some weight. At the most basic level was that due to CICO? Absolutely. But was my struggle simply due to CICO? No way. My struggle was with balancing a variety of issues going on in my life, not simply what I was eating.
If people think my problems this year were simply due to:- a disconnect in [my]self-control between "I want" and "I will"
- Nothing is my fault, I'm a special snowflake, and I'm amazing no matter what.
- because I hide behind excuses 80% of the time, And 19.9% is just lack of educating [myself].
...that's all fine. I'm not fragile enough to get bogged down by those comments. But others who may not have been at the weight loss game very long may be and I truly feel for them.
Then, what is the OP saying? I missed it.
Wait--OP or helloitsDan?
The OP asked why do some people struggle with losing weight, what goes wrong?
Dan said that some people will say it is CICO and then he linked to the diagram showing a variety of factors that influence obesity.
Then amyepdx said to Dan "So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!"
Then I said no, that is not what he is saying at all.
Phew. I think that's it
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I guess where I, and others, are getting hung up is on the whole "there is more to it than CICO". The clinical reality is there isn't more than CICO, but that isn't a particularly helpful insight to someone having difficulties with weight loss. There are lots of reasons why someone is having a tough time losing weight, personal, medical etc. and somehow this is being presented as CICO isn't enough. They are two very different conversations.
Honestly the reason why i wasn't losing weight until recently is I didn't give a *kitten*. I now give a *kitten*. But I'm not everyone. Some are trying and failing for various reasons. But then we get into personal conversations that some may not want to have.
My opinion is when these questions come up, it is better for me to assume there are not deeper issues and to respond with a more factual explanation and advice based on what I've done. It's different then if someone's post comes across as needed medical or emotional help. In all honesty, I don't respond to those because I am not qualified and it is not my strong suit.
In short, I'm an accountant.7 -
I just want to go on record that I have never flagged any post.
I believe that feedback is the only way I'm going to learn. If I'm not learning, I'm not going forward. And I can learn even from snarky, mean, sarcastic and even inaccurate posts (learn about people themselves). I may not like it though:).
If its blatantly hate speech, I may reserve the right to flag.1 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
That's not really what he's saying...he's pointing out that there are a myriad of reasons for which a person may have difficulty adhering to a diet and losing weight. This is true, but I don't know that it's particularly helpful in a forum setting. If someone is having trouble with dietary adherence, it is probably best to be addressed one on one with their trainer/coach, therapist, dietitian, or whatever depending on what the issue is...I don't think anyone in a forum setting is going to be able to sit down with a poster and dissect a potential myriad of underlying issues, nor would most members be properly equipped to actually handle or help solve that issue, particularly in a forum setting.
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Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
Too bad you couldn't say that obesity is a complex issue without taking a swipe at a great many of the people you're claiming to want to help.
You know, a lot of us have done really well with CICO, Dan.
I don't know what your beef is here. I'm the first to say that obesity is a complex issue, and that for any one individual struggling with it, there could be any number of factors at play -- and those factors will vary from the next person who is struggling with it.
It took me 40 years to work through the numerous issues I had playing into my own issues with weight because of all the factors involved, but ultimately, it still came down to energy balance to lose the 94 pounds I lost, and it still comes down to energy balance to maintain that loss.
You insult and deny the validity of the experience and success a great deal of us have had every time you make a comment like you've done here. It's beyond me what you're trying to accomplish.15 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
Your link, as far as I can tell completely supports CICO/energy balance. It just lays out things effecting both CI and CO.
Yes, just saying CICO may be simplistic to you, but it's the way things work and trust me, it's far similar to understand energy balances then trying to wade through 'diet woo' that exists in the media. It's a place to start and can shine light on the psychological and other factors that can then be worked on to ensure success.
Weight loss is simple, but not easy.7 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!
No, that's not what he is saying at all. That is what you are assuming he is saying.
Is this tongue in cheek?
No, I am not being tongue in cheek.
CICO is fat loss at the most basic level. Struggling with weight loss is a bigger issue than just looking at CICO.
I will use myself as an example. This year I lost 8 pounds from January through March. At the end of March my work-related stress shot through the roof for a variety of reasons. I increased my caloric deficit but saw no movement on the scale so I added more exercise. Still no movement on the scale. Meanwhile, my work stress increased again significantly, I lost my period, and my emotions were a mess (I am not a person who cries very often and I was crying every night.) Eventually I realized that my NEAT expenditure was in the tank and I started reading more about long term consequences of losing your period and how NEAT can dip significantly in a cut so I backed off on my deficit and on exercise. That went fairly well to destress me a bit. By that point I'd gone 5 months without losing a pound. Around that time I had a DEXA, the results of which were pretty terrible, and I pretty much said screw it and I ate whatever I wanted for 6 weeks. The plus side of that was that my period finally returned but the minus was that I gained some weight. At the most basic level was that due to CICO? Absolutely. But was my struggle simply due to CICO? No way. My struggle was with balancing a variety of issues going on in my life, not simply what I was eating.
If people think my problems this year were simply due to:- a disconnect in [my]self-control between "I want" and "I will"
- Nothing is my fault, I'm a special snowflake, and I'm amazing no matter what.
- because I hide behind excuses 80% of the time, And 19.9% is just lack of educating [myself].
...that's all fine. I'm not fragile enough to get bogged down by those comments. But others who may not have been at the weight loss game very long may be and I truly feel for them.
Then, what is the OP saying? I missed it.
Wait--OP or helloitsDan?
The OP asked why do some people struggle with losing weight, what goes wrong?
Dan said that some people will say it is CICO and then he linked to the diagram showing a variety of factors that influence obesity.
Then amyepdx said to Dan "So, you're saying that you take in more calories than you burn and still lose weight? Please - share with the group!"
Then I said no, that is not what he is saying at all.
Phew. I think that's it
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Quite honestly, it sounds to me like the new trend is "It isn't just CICO....it's so so soooooo much deeper and more complicated than that, there are all these bazillionty things you just couldn't possibly figure out on your own - you need a coach. Oh, by the way, I'm a coach."19
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Quite honestly, it sounds to me like the new trend is "It isn't just CICO....it's so so soooooo much deeper and more complicated than that, there are all these bazillionty things you just couldn't possibly figure out on your own - you need a coach. Oh, by the way, I'm a coach."
I'm a coach, too!3 -
grmckenzie wrote: »I guess where I, and others, are getting hung up is on the whole "there is more to it than CICO". The clinical reality is there isn't more than CICO, but that isn't a particularly helpful insight to someone having difficulties with weight loss. There are lots of reasons why someone is having a tough time losing weight, personal, medical etc. and somehow this is being presented as CICO isn't enough. They are two very different conversations.
Honestly the reason why i wasn't losing weight until recently is I didn't give a *kitten*. I now give a *kitten*. But I'm not everyone. Some are trying and failing for various reasons. But then we get into personal conversations that some may not want to have.
My opinion is when these questions come up, it is better for me to assume there are not deeper issues and to respond with a more factual explanation and advice based on what I've done. It's different then if someone's post comes across as needed medical or emotional help. In all honesty, I don't respond to those because I am not qualified and it is not my strong suit.
In short, I'm an accountant.
Ha! I'm an accountant too so that made me laugh. It also was part of why my crying this summer felt like WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP! System in distress! WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP! It was an extremely abnormal reaction for me.
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