Why do some people struggle with losing weight?
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singingflutelady wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Most people will say CICO, however...
http://www.shiftn.com/obesity/Full-Map.html
It's far more complex.
Too bad we can't simply install critical thinking to the pack mentality on this forum.
I would have to agree.
I havent been here for very long (july this year) but its quite clear that this forum is "run" by 15-20 people. Those people will in general have a big post count, they are likely to throw a title in your face, and some of them tend to flag posts they simply disagree with.
And yes, the answer is far more complex.
For instance, we dont all have the same amount of fat cells in our body.
Odd... I find that it's typically newer members that misuse the flag system. Not always, but typically.
How do you know?
Because established users are more familiar with the rules than newbies and we get our (non abusive, non spam bit) posts flagged just as much as others
MORE than others. It's almost always (or so it seems) when someone new comes in, spouts utter nonsense, and that nonsense is corrected by people who have actually learned better. The "veteran" posters end up with flags.
I don't know and I haven't kept track, but since the sort of topic you describe is bound to push buttons all over the place, I can see it being a flag-for-all no matter what...noobs, secret oldsters, anybody. Stuff like that tends to turn into a you-know-what storm. I don't know why. "No" should be enough. LOL.
Again, JMO.
How to phrase this... experienced users know, from experience, that it's against the rules to "abuse" the flag system.
Also, experienced users know that mods do not see truly abusive posts that are merely flagged; they don't flag those posts, they report them.
New users don't know the ins and outs of the system.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Also, experienced users know that mods do not see truly abusive posts that are merely flagged; they don't flag those posts, they report them.
New users don't know the ins and outs of the system.
How do you report them, vs. flagging them?
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
This. They are most likely not watching their calorie intake.SuzySunshine99 wrote: »They are consuming more calories than they burn. Unless there is a medical condition, that is the only reason.
Eating clean/healthy and exercise does not necessarily mean someone will lose weight.
Really, this is something that's often drastically understated by most people. It's MUCH more effective to restrict calories to lose weight, than it is to increase exercise to any appreciable degree. I can create a 1000 calorie deficit, even with my relatively piddly maintenance calories (2100) pretty easily. To burn an extra 1000 calories in a day via exercise? Yeah, I don't have a bunch of spare hours to spend making myself want to die on an elliptical. So what do you expect from the kind of people who think of walking their dog and washing laundry as exercise?
Walking the dog IS exercise. It might not burn as many calories per hour as running, but it is exercise. So is housework, under the right conditions. It's just hard to quantify compared to a lot of other things. That's why if people do it consistently it winds up under the activity level setting.
No, that's not exercise, unless you do them wearing full military loadouts of gear. Those are called "life". Just like food prep isn't exercise, unless you're a hibachi chef tossing knives and dodging fireballs all day.
I would class walking my daughters Husky as exercise. However i would not class walking my 17 year old shih-tzu as exercise.1 -
Nicole_kayy wrote: »misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I've known people, who eat healthy, drink plenty of water and exercise a lot. They always have trouble losing weight. What's gone wrong?
Not saying this is the case for everyone, but some heath conditions make it harder to lose weight. PCOS and thyroid disorders are the two main medical reasons I'm aware of or Maybe they may be eating too much or not as healthy as you suspect? I know someone said PCOS is an excuse people use, but I believe it may actually make weight loss slower, even if you eat actual healthy foods and excerise daily (while having a calorie deficit). That being said, I do believe losing weight with PCOS is possible.
Thyroid disorders, once properly treated, do not make it harder to lose weight. This is a misconception.
I and many other successful posters on these forums have thyroid conditions.1 -
grmckenzie wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Also, experienced users know that mods do not see truly abusive posts that are merely flagged; they don't flag those posts, they report them.
New users don't know the ins and outs of the system.
How do you report them, vs. flagging them?
NM. Found it. Yeah, I've been flagging when I should have reported. Bad me.0 -
This is a very good point...I am fifty nine years old and I am finding it VERY difficult to lose weight...I think this is threefold...It gets harder to lose weight the older that you get(the old "metabolism" thing), I put on a lot of weight during menopause, which a lot of women do), and I have to eat at least HALF of what I used to, even five to ten years ago, to get down to a "normal" weight...I am in the low end of the obese weight right now, and, honestly, if I could just get down into the "overweight" range(and STAY THERE), I would be ecstatic...I just had blood work done recently, and all my numbers are good...The only thing that was high was my cholesterol, and it's been high since my early forties...So, I'm really in pretty good health for someone that is almost sixty years old...Good luck to everyone....and DON'T GIVE UP!!!
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I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)5 -
I can only speak for myself..
I know exactly how to lose weight, and i give advice here everyday to many people on how to achieve it. Now, if only i could follow my own advice lol The concept is simple, following through 24 hours a day, 7 days a week is the hard part!
I got down to my goal weight of 143lbs (5"8) last year, getting there meant perfect precision and constant thoughts of calories/macros in every single item i ate.. Exhausting was what it was! There was NO cheating, NO tastes of this and that without prelogging it first, constant swapping around of foods to MAKE them fit within my calories, NO rest days from exercise.
Then winter came, and along with that came comfort foods and i quickly regained 5-6lbs. I laxed on my logging with stuff like chips and crackers and i stopped logging those little evening snacks, cheat days went from one every few months to once a week.
I rebelled and got angry that i would have to watch every little thing i ate forever more. I could go on and on, but long story short food tastes good and it's hard to stop at a serving of ice cream or just 1 or 2 cookies. For me, successful weight loss means unbreakable willpower, which is definitely not my strongest trait. Some folks find losing weight a breeze, i am not one of them. It takes a lot of determination, which is work and some people don't want to put in the work.8 -
I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.1 -
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
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But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
Meet Mirna Valerio
http://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html
Its a damn good read.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
Meet Mirna Valerio
http://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html
Its a damn good read.
I'd hardly call 25 miles per week hard training. Even still, thank you for that, and it is well beyond the "dogwalking and housecleaning" I've mentioned. I'd actually be interested to see more details on what and how much she consumes, but of course, that wasn't the focus of the article, so I didn't really expect it to be there. Besides "no matter how much I run, I can't lose any more weight" just sounds good to the fatties who don't even want to try, even though that's probably not what they were going for.-1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
Meet Mirna Valerio
http://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html
Its a damn good read.
That's great that she runs and all. And I've seen that article before. Her health is still at risk due to her obesity. Yes, I'm going to be that person.
I'm a runner too. Admittedly, she puts in more miles than I do, but I'm no longer obese.
I get it. Food is a powerful draw. It's a tough entanglement, this thing a lot of people have with food and letting go of it. She's obviously not there yet.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
Meet Mirna Valerio
http://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html
Its a damn good read.
That's great that she runs and all. And I've seen that article before. Her health is still at risk due to her obesity. Yes, I'm going to be that person.
I'm a runner too. Admittedly, she puts in more miles than I do, but I'm no longer obese.
I get it. Food is a powerful draw. It's a tough entanglement, this thing a lot of people have with food and letting go of it. She's obviously not there yet.
^^This.
Being overweight is hard.
Losing weight is hard.
Pick your hard.5 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
Being overweight is hard.
Losing weight is hard.
Pick your hard.
^^ love this!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
Meet Mirna Valerio
http://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html
Its a damn good read.
That's great that she runs and all. And I've seen that article before. Her health is still at risk due to her obesity. Yes, I'm going to be that person.
I'm a runner too. Admittedly, she puts in more miles than I do, but I'm no longer obese.
I get it. Food is a powerful draw. It's a tough entanglement, this thing a lot of people have with food and letting go of it. She's obviously not there yet.
^^This.
Being overweight is hard.
Losing weight is hard.
Pick your hard.
I actually copied this onto a sticky note a while back which is on my mirror.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
So my understanding is that you're highlighting some sort of correlation, where a "legitimate" hard trainer is more likely to be an advanced diet / calorie monitor. I wonder if there are fewer "legit" trainers overall, which could contribute to a smaller total number of those that do not realize they need to have their calories in check. Also, I would say that lifting heavy appears to require a lot of skill and research, and in the process of acquiring those, one might be more likely to, at the very least, stumble across calorie information and take it more seriously. Finally, I'd like to say that anecdotally, yeah, I've come across a couple heavy lifters who still struggled with their weight, and at least one had not made the calorie connection at all1 -
I think it's largely due to misinformation. They believe the packages that say "lite", they believe the articles that say "carbs are the devil", they believe "no pain, no gain", they believe Dr Oz that there's a new berry discovered in the rainforest that somehow sets fat on fire.
You don't see articles in the paper about simply being aware of the calories you're consuming and burning. Eat less, move more. It's that simple.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
This is a little circular. You correlate successful weight loss with being someone who "legitimately trains hard" rather than being one of the "dogwalkers and housecleaners" - and yet you define people who "legitimately train hard" in terms of them having "their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with" - in other words, you credit their success to their training, while filtering the group by a totally different attribute (proper calorie control) which guarantees success, independent of activity level.
Anecdotally, I'm aware of a lot of people who train hard but do not track hard, and they do not lose weight the way they want. I am also aware of a lot of people on here who are effectively losing weight by being sedentary and logging light exercise. The difference is not some arbitrary distinction between "dog walking" and "real exercise". It's about honest, accurate logging and not kidding yourself about either what you eat, or how much you burn.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.
That is "functional weight" or however one likes to justify it.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.
That is "functional weight" or however one likes to justify it.
LOL. Yes, I know that's the justification. It never stops being funny.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.
Absolutely agree with this3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.
Absolutely agree with this
Spoken by a powerlifter who does not carry excess body fat!5 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
I have met plenty of people who fit this. And yes I do mean plenty.6 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.
Absolutely agree with this
Spoken by a powerlifter who does not carry excess body fat!
I think that depends on the definition of excess
3 -
Meet Mirna Valerio
http://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html
According to the article she claims she doesn't binge, eats healthy food, but doesn't monitor her intake by restricting calories or otherwise. IMHO, not controlling intake despite exercise could be a contributing factor to her weight. I run the same distance per week as her on an average non- training week (about 25 miles), along with weight training, and lose weight. I monitor what I eat, even the healthy food, either on MFP or another app.2 -
I can pretty much nail down the month i stopped losing weight regularly and pretty effortlessly... It was around the time i got a fitbit and started exercising! I'm not talking hardcore exercise either, just walking a lot, 15kms (10ishm) a day, 7 days a week.
Probably 2 reasons for it, my appetite spiked and i was nibbling on stuff here and there without logging it or adding an extra scoop to dinner, and the over inflated number fitbit was giving me lulled me into a false sense of security.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
But you're still missing their point, too. With Max elliptical or heavy weights, one could still overly estimate their calorie burn and eat way too much, finding themselves unable to lose at their desired pace. They're explaining their chosen, or in some cases, designated forms of exercise to you, and how this could be max exertion, not to mention result getting, for themGallowmere1984 wrote: »I absolutely count walking my dog as exercise.
Yes, that's just part of life in some ways, but I'd argue that going to the gym is also part of life for those that choose to include that. Plus before we had the dog, I was definitely walking less so it's not actually part of my life-without-dog.
I'm not physically able to do some types of exercise (thanks to an old injury), and some I just don't like. Including things I can do and enjoy is actually a much better way for me to get exercise than trying to make a habit of something that just is not going to happen.
(sorry, this was meant to be a reply to some up-thread posts but I have managed to muck up the quoting! Oops.)
It's fine, it's obvious that you were replying to either my post, or one that replied to it. I think a lot of people missed my point in the noise that followed. So long as you realize that walking your dog is not equivalent to setting an elliptical to max resistance, or doing metabolic work with weights, it's fine to consider it exercise. It's the mental aspect that seems to trip up some. Exercise usually translates into the need to eat more, and with the excessive burn estimates, a chronic dog walker could be duped into believing that they "deserve" or even "need" that extra thousand calories that they didn't actually burn.
I have yet to meet a person who legitimately trains hard and doesn't have their diet in at least some kind of check to begin with. I do however, see a lot of "dogwalkers and housecleaners" who are confused as to why they aren't losing weight.
There are an awful lot of powerlifters who carry some serious excess body fat for this to be necessarily true.
That is a good point, but most of the time, one could easily argue that those guys know EXACTLY what they are doing. I see it the most among the "nattybro" powerlifters who try to chase the numbers of guys on gear using cheeseburgers as fuel. CT Fletcher was actually a prime example of this years ago, and it nearly killed him.0
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