Have you ever lost 5lbs in a week? Is it possible (aiming for a one time thing?)
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ClosetBayesian wrote: »
Given your post history, what you are doing looks like a fad diet. You are eating more healthily compared to what you were eating, but it looks to be incredibly short term. I'm not sure I'd call what you're doing healthy; it's not unhealthy, but you seem to be learning about water weight manipulation and little to nothing about sustainable food choices that lead to maintainable fat loss.
Here's the thing though...
I have water retention problems...most always. It results in that bloated feeling. When I do I cut back even more on my sodium and high sodium foods and increase my water.
I also experience the bloated feeling and stomach pain with constipation due to intestinal issues. When it gets to a certain point I try to increase my fiber.
Often at the end of the week I will have lost up to seven or eight pounds. The majority of that loss was water and excess waste.
I don't know the OP's dietary history because I have never run across her before. However...From what I have read here in this thread it doesn't sound as if she is trying anything different than what I have done before to get my water and stomach issues back on track.
On the poor eating habits that she talks about (again I don't know what those habits are) but I can tell you that if I go through even a week with "less than good eating habits" my bloating and stomach issues flair up.5 -
TIL beginner with health issues = expert bodybuilder and should do the same things. Brb going to do some motorcross now
It's literally cutting water weight for a competition. After 5 or 6 more days, she can return to her previous methods of losing weight. If the OP has concerns over her health, it should be worked out with a doctor and a therapist.4 -
Here's the thing though...
I have water retention problems...most always. It results in that bloated feeling. When I do I cut back even more on my sodium and high sodium foods and increase my water.
I also experience the bloated feeling and stomach pain with constipation due to intestinal issues. When it gets to a certain point I try to increase my fiber.
Often at the end of the week I will have lost up to seven or eight pounds. The majority of that loss was water and excess waste.
I don't know the OP's dietary history because I have never run across her before. However...From what I have read here in this thread it doesn't sound as if she is trying anything different than what I have done before to get my water and stomach issues back on track.
On the poor eating habits that she talks about (again I don't know what those habits are) but I can tell you that if I go through even a week with "less than good eating habits" my bloating and stomach issues flair up.
Thank you! Yes. Same thing. I can't use the bathroom. I have lots of bloating and fluid retention. I make food for 5 people if you include myself and every single person eats different food so the stuff I eat often is microwaved or ordered out or just not sufficient if it is healthy (not enough calories) so I have to sub with quick food. It's not easy taking care of 3 kids, 2 with disabilities and dealing with health problems. Trying to fit in time to make 5 meals 3 times a day is impossible between school which I start back in january and all the therapy sessions and so on. How I eat is really my decision. If I want to live on cheetoes that's my business. All I asked on this thread is if eating mostly natural would help lose the water weight I gain from my sodium filled microwaved diet. I have a lot of digestive issues as well. I try to eat healthy at some point in the day but a lot of times I just dont have time and I need to zap something and eat it while I cook for my kids. They have sensory issues and they come first. If I need to make them a meal each and suffer myself by eating microwaved eggs or a smart one tv dinner then I do that because at least they are taken care of.0 -
Here's the thing though...
I have water retention problems...most always. It results in that bloated feeling. When I do I cut back even more on my sodium and high sodium foods and increase my water.
I also experience the bloated feeling and stomach pain with constipation due to intestinal issues. When it gets to a certain point I try to increase my fiber.
Often at the end of the week I will have lost up to seven or eight pounds. The majority of that loss was water and excess waste.
I don't know the OP's dietary history because I have never run across her before. However...From what I have read here in this thread it doesn't sound as if she is trying anything different than what I have done before to get my water and stomach issues back on track.
On the poor eating habits that she talks about (again I don't know what those habits are) but I can tell you that if I go through even a week with "less than good eating habits" my bloating and stomach issues flair up.
Annie, I'll concede that your post is insightful, but it still strikes me as a red flag that the OP has stomach pains "all the time". Just for my own understanding of the issues you describe, Do you have stomach pain all the time?1 -
The worry I have (I know you will call me mean but I don't care) is will you be able to stop after the contest is over because of your history. I have a similar history and know that going down the rabbit hole again can do very bad things to my brain and lead to further crash dieting.6
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Verity1111 wrote: »
Thank you! Yes. Same thing. I can't use the bathroom. I have lots of bloating and fluid retention. I make food for 5 people if you include myself and every single person eats different food so the stuff I eat often is microwaved or ordered out or just not sufficient if it is healthy (not enough calories) so I have to sub with quick food. It's not easy taking care of 3 kids, 2 with disabilities and dealing with health problems. Trying to fit in time to make 5 meals 3 times a day is impossible between school which I start back in january and all the therapy sessions and so on. How I eat is really my decision. If I want to live on cheetoes that's my business. All I asked on this thread is if eating mostly natural would help lose the water weight I gain from my sodium filled microwaved diet. I have a lot of digestive issues as well. I try to eat healthy at some point in the day but a lot of times I just dont have time and I need to zap something and eat it while I cook for my kids. They have sensory issues and they come first. If I need to make them a meal each and suffer myself by eating microwaved eggs or a smart one tv dinner then I do that because at least they are taken care of.
Have you been test for Chrons or IBS? If you have bathroom issues, there could be a larger issue at hand.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »The worry I have (I know you will call me mean but I don't care) is will you be able to stop after the contest is over because of your history. I have a similar history and know that going down the rabbit hole again can do very bad things to my brain and lead to further crash dieting.
LOL I am craving pizza badly. I plan on ordering some chinese food or pizza and binge watching the new Gilmore Girls when this is over lol! Even if I need to sell something to pay for it. or ask my mommy lmso & youre not mean!!! You were polite. I don't deal with or respect people talking about how I raise my kids. There is also a difference between concern and knowing it all.0 -
It's literally cutting water weight for a competition. After 5 or 6 more days, she can return to her previous methods of losing weight. If the OP has concerns over her health, it should be worked out with a doctor and a therapist.
So if I may ask explicitly, would you say the actions of a bodybuilder for cutting water weight prior to a competition can be repeated by the beginner to average dieter with no special skill set or experience required?
IMO, the expert bodybuilder has a strict nutritional regimen, is an expert at adhering to it and at how their body responds, and knows when to make adjustments wrt to their dietary and training schedules. I personally wouldn't recommend these actions for a person already dealing with health issues.3 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
LOL I am craving pizza badly. I plan on ordering some chinese food or pizza and binge watching the new Gilmore Girls when this is over lol! Even if I need to sell something to pay for it. or ask my mommy lmso
Oh yummy! And yes I would check for ibs as that definitely can cause issues. It's annoying but figuring out your trigger foods and avoiding them helps tremendously1 -
Have you been test for Chrons or IBS? If you have bathroom issues, there could be a larger issue at hand.
You may have missed it because this is a big thread. I have a January 18th GI appointment. They will do a basic evaluation/consultation and then run tests for crohn's disease/gluten intolerance and then if they find nothing I am being sent to an allergist. I have been sick for years... Cyst on my head, 10 canker sores at once, swollen lymph nodes, random fevers, super low vitamin D, low white blood cell count, absolutely constant digestive problems etc...0 -
So if I may ask explicitly, would you say the actions of a bodybuilder for cutting water weight prior to a competition can be repeated by the beginner to average dieter with no special skill set or experience required?
IMO, the expert bodybuilder has a strict nutritional regimen, is an expert at adhering to it and at how their body responds, and knows when to make adjustments wrt to their dietary and training schedules. I personally wouldn't recommend these actions for a person already dealing with health issues.
As we have talked about is manipulating glycogen. Do you think it's difficult to understand the reduction of carbohydrates to reduce glycogen stores? I gave the OP very basic, so basic anyone could follow, protocols that could allow her to cut weight quickly. It really is simple to reduce carbs to ketogenic levels, increase sodium to 3-5k and maintain her current calorie levels. I haven't discuss PSMF protocol or any other bodybuilding/contest prep protocols because that is probably too much.1 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
You may have missed it because this is a big thread. I have a January 18th GI appointment. They will do a basic evaluation/consultation and then run tests for crohn's disease/gluten intolerance and then if they find nothing I am being sent to an allergist. I have been sick for years... Cyst on my head, 10 canker sores at once, swollen lymph nodes, random fevers, super low vitamin D, low white blood cell count, absolutely constant digestive problems etc...
Ahh, thanks for the update. Yea, good luck with all the test. Hopefully, they also will try to run a few elimination diet protocols after the test to see if there anything that can help.
Also, don't put much faith in the gluten thing (outside of allergy testing). Current technologies aren't advanced enough really to test for intolerances (at least that I know of).0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »
Oh yummy! And yes I would check for ibs as that definitely can cause issues. It's annoying but figuring out your trigger foods and avoiding them helps tremendously
I know your concerns.
ED can be a bad cycle. I've been good almost consistently for years. I've had short slip ups (lasting a day or two only) but I always pull out of it. And I let myself have treats and order food etc. I dont eat healthy anymore all of the time because I dont have time to cook and I get sick of plain salad all day. Sometimes Ill cook a big batch of soup or enchiladas/tamales or something and it can last but usually I get something filled with sodium and processed sadly and just snack on the healthy stuff. I dont know what causes my IBS. I eat a variety of things...I do have healthy things as snacks and occasionally get a home cooked meal. I eat pasta, bread, veggies, fruit, eggs, cheese, etc. Everything except meat. It may be gluten since it is in so much stuff? I mean Im not eating gluten right now I dont think and my stomach is starting to feel better...although today I am feverish, lethargic and have a sore throat so I might need to break this diet and have a soup. lol. Unless I can figure out an easy one to make from scratch. Caught it from my oldest kid. 1 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
You may have missed it because this is a big thread. I have a January 18th GI appointment. They will do a basic evaluation/consultation and then run tests for crohn's disease/gluten intolerance and then if they find nothing I am being sent to an allergist. I have been sick for years... Cyst on my head, 10 canker sores at once, swollen lymph nodes, random fevers, super low vitamin D, low white blood cell count, absolutely constant digestive problems etc...
That's awesome you are going to a gi. Other than the canker sores and fevers it doesn't sound like Crohn's ( most people when flaring have super high white blood cell count) but everyone is different. I do know some with Crohn's who have constipation but it's not as common as diarrhea.it is different for everyone unfortunately. It's a tricky disease though and for me eating "healrht" is a bad choice. I decided to test a few pieces of lettuce and omg let me just say yup fiber is still a trigger and I'm not in a big flare ATM! (I have crohn's and ibs btw).1 -
As we have talked about is manipulating glycogen. Do you think it's difficult to understand the reduction of carbohydrates to reduce glycogen stores? I gave the OP very basic, so basic anyone could follow, protocols that could allow her to cut weight quickly. It really is simple to reduce carbs to ketogenic levels, increase sodium to 3-5k and maintain her current calorie levels. I haven't discuss PSFM protocol or any other bodybuilding/contest prep protocols because that is probably too much.
I see. To me, it's a question of priorities at this point. I think one of her prior posts detailing the stresses of feeding the whole family, plus some of her health issues would make for an excellent first or reset/restart post. It seems a bit irresponsible to me to pour on any of these additional manipulations in the face of these health issues (I'm lumping sauna et al in the same category due to the IMO broad statement of a bodybuilder prepping for competition). What if her true diagnosis is contraindicated with any short term protocols she follows? But I suppose none of us knew; the info wasn't shared up front.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »
That's awesome you are going to a gi. Other than the canker sores and fevers it doesn't sound like Crohn's ( most people when flaring have super high white blood cell count) but everyone is different. I do know some with Crohn's who have constipation but it's not as common as diarrhea.it is different for everyone unfortunately. It's a tricky disease though and for me eating "healrht" is a bad choice. I decided to test a few pieces of lettuce and omg let me just say yup fiber is still a trigger and I'm not in a big flare ATM! (I have crohn's and ibs btw).
It could literally be general IBS for all I know. I have both symptoms
but usually constipation. TMI sorry lol Wow that really bites. The eating healthy being painful or bad for you. I swapped lettuce for fresh spinach and arugala recently..totally random note lol but I like them more. I feel like they're more flavorful. So does that happen with all fibrous vegetables? I should have been to a GI long ago but I was in a wheelchair for months and it got postponed. 0 -
Yes. I am low residue/low fiber so I can eat only a few very well cooked vegetables. Fruits also are an issue but some are OK without skin and seeds. Whole grains, nuts, seeds, legumes are also an issue as well as spicy food, lactose, red meat and some other things. Everybody is different though so I wouldn't discount it. I would ask for a colonoscopy to make sure.1
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I think the best way would be to resolve the constipation problem first - I get constipated often and you can gain a lot of "empty" weight because of it! And maybe eat liquid food so that it doesn't make your constipation worse?2
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Manipulating water/glycogen is not unhealthy and assuming this is a one off to meet a target, you will be fine. However I do agree that with your history of ED, it does throw up a few red flags. Let us know when you're back to sensible eating again.3
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trigden1991 wrote: »Manipulating water/glycogen is not unhealthy and assuming this is a one off to meet a target, you will be fine. However I do agree that with your history of ED, it does throw up a few red flags. Let us know when you're back to sensible eating again.
I get the ED part. But trust me I'm in the clear right now. I feel good since losing 20lbs. Also, how is it not sensible? Lol. I eat unsensibly usually lol (unhealthy "junk" food most of the time). I'm a vegetarian already so really I just cut out grains and pasta. Also, I miss it terribly Lol. I want a salty ramen noodle cup lol my throat is killing me. It sounds so much more soothing than a salad. Lol. I will go back to my more varied diet later lol0 -
Eleonora91 wrote: »I think the best way would be to resolve the constipation problem first - I get constipated often and you can gain a lot of "empty" weight because of it! And maybe eat liquid food so that it doesn't make your constipation worse?
Does that work? I'll drink broth and make berry smoothies lol I don't mind.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Yes. I am low residue/low fiber so I can eat only a few very well cooked vegetables. Fruits also are an issue but some are OK without skin and seeds. Whole grains, nuts, seeds, legumes are also an issue as well as spicy food, lactose, red meat and some other things. Everybody is different though so I wouldn't discount it. I would ask for a colonoscopy to make sure.
That sounds awful. Im allergic to most fruit. I am eating them but its difficult. Sometimes I need to put lime juice on them or dip them in light whipped cream because there is something on the outside of the fruit that bothers me? Somehow putting lime juice on it helps. The dairy sometimes helps too but lime juice is best if I have it. Otherwise I can get a really itchy sore throat and tongue. I'm still eating them. I just need to like "neutralize" whatever it is that bothers me lol Like Im allergic to avocado but not guacamole?0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
I know your concerns. ED can be a bad cycle. I've been good almost consistently for years. I've had short slip ups (lasting a day or two only) but I always pull out of it. And I let myself have treats and order food etc. I dont eat healthy anymore all of the time because I dont have time to cook and I get sick of plain salad all day. Sometimes Ill cook a big batch of soup or enchiladas/tamales or something and it can last but usually I get something filled with sodium and processed sadly and just snack on the healthy stuff. I dont know what causes my IBS. I eat a variety of things...I do have healthy things as snacks and occasionally get a home cooked meal. I eat pasta, bread, veggies, fruit, eggs, cheese, etc. Everything except meat. It may be gluten since it is in so much stuff? I mean Im not eating gluten right now I dont think and my stomach is starting to feel better...although today I am feverish, lethargic and have a sore throat so I might need to break this diet and have a soup. lol. Unless I can figure out an easy one to make from scratch. Caught it from my oldest kid.
Easy soup recipe from scratch:
- dice some onions and put into a large pan. Add a smidgen of olive oil (or butter or whatever you have on hand to avoid having the onions stick) and heat until the onion is slightly glassy.
- cut up whatever veggies you have (carrots and spinach make a pretty yummy mix, but really... anything that counts as a vegetable can go into that pot. About 200-400 grams of veggies in total) and add to the onions.
- Fill up with water (I usually use a powdered veggie broth, roughly 1 liter of liquids)
- cook until veggies are mush
- mix
- add pepper/salt/whatever spices you have on hand.
Fun extras to vary taste: coconut milk, curry, lemon grass
(Side note: celery root and coconut milk are just plain awesome!)
This gives me about 3-4 servings and I freeze the extra servings to use later. Served with a bit of cheese and bread it's a nice warm meal for busy days. Total time (not counting time to cook) it takes me about 10 minutes to prepare.
Depending on how much oil/coconut milk/starchy veggies you add, it usually pans out between 100-180 cals per serving.
Good luck with your contest and I hope your GI doctor will be able to help you!3 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »
Easy soup recipe from scratch:
- dice some onions and put into a large pan. Add a smidgen of olive oil (or butter or whatever you have on hand to avoid having the onions stick) and heat until the onion is slightly glassy.
- cut up whatever veggies you have (carrots and spinach make a pretty yummy mix, but really... anything that counts as a vegetable can go into that pot. About 200-400 grams of veggies in total) and add to the onions.
- Fill up with water (I usually use a powdered veggie broth, roughly 1 liter of liquids)
- cook until veggies are mush
- mix
- add pepper/salt/whatever spices you have on hand.
Fun extras to vary taste: coconut milk, curry, lemon grass
(Side note: celery root and coconut milk are just plain awesome!)
This gives me about 3-4 servings and I freeze the extra servings to use later. Served with a bit of cheese and bread it's a nice warm meal for busy days. Total time (not counting time to cook) it takes me about 10 minutes to prepare.
Depending on how much oil/coconut milk/starchy veggies you add, it usually pans out between 100-180 cals per serving.
Good luck with your contest and I hope your GI doctor will be able to help you!
I have onions spinach arugala celery and carrots I can use. So do I just cook it in the pan? or do I toss the onions into a pot when I add the other stuff? Thanks for the help! and the luck. 0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
I have onions spinach arugala celery and carrots I can use. So do I just cook it in the pan? or do I toss the onions into a pot when I add the other stuff? Thanks for the help! and the luck.
Erm a pot... I meant a pot. It's a mono-dimensional dish (as a friend would call it) as it only requires 1 pot to make it all...
(I get confused with English cooking terminology sometimes
I learned to cook in German, so it's always a bit of a switch when talking food in English).
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So if I may ask explicitly, would you say the actions of a bodybuilder for cutting water weight prior to a competition can be repeated by the beginner to average dieter with no special skill set or experience required?
IMO, the expert bodybuilder has a strict nutritional regimen, is an expert at adhering to it and at how their body responds, and knows when to make adjustments wrt to their dietary and training schedules. I personally wouldn't recommend these actions for a person already dealing with health issues.
A bodybuilder who does it does it for the first time at some point. Lots of non experts dump water weight for short term fitting better in a dress and some such too. I don't think it's a great idea or a healthy approach for someone who truly has fat to lose -- it's one reason I personally dislike contest approaches to weight loss and would never join one -- but I don't think it's unhealthy in general.
I agree there are more warning flags if someone seems overly concerned about water weight and losing every day in general and has a past history of an ED, but doing this for a week doesn't strike me as particularly concerning, although I do agree with you that if there are the ongoing issues described the next thing probably should be figuring out what is leading to them. I think being bloated all the time sounds quite unpleasant. (My sister was diagnosed with IBS and among other things took fiber for some time which helped but eventually figured out and eliminated some trigger foods (for IBS, she was never overweight) and now has no issues or very rare anyway.)1 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »
Erm a pot... I meant a pot. It's a mono-dimensional dish (as a friend would call it) as it only requires 1 pot to make it all...
(I get confused with English cooking terminology sometimes I learned to cook in German, so it's always a bit of a switch when talking food in English).
Oh no problem! I'm part German. ^_^ Also thank you again! Sounds simple and soothing to me.0 -
Verity1111 wrote: »
Does that work? I'll drink broth and make berry smoothies lol I don't mind.
I honestly don't know because almost nothing works for me when I have constipation. Not sure how serious yours is at the moment, but you may have to get something at the pharmacy/doctor.
When I'm feeling too bloated and sick I usually try to only eat mashed/liquid foods such as mashed fruit, yogurt, juices, broth, vegetable soup, which I guess is pretty much what people eat when they're sick. At least you should be getting enough calories to go through this week without fainting.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »
A bodybuilder who does it does it for the first time at some point. Lots of non experts dump water weight for short term fitting better in a dress and some such too. I don't think it's a great idea or a healthy approach for someone who truly has fat to lose -- it's one reason I personally dislike contest approaches to weight loss and would never join one -- but I don't think it's unhealthy in general.
I agree there are more warning flags if someone seems overly concerned about water weight and losing every day in general and has a past history of an ED, but doing this for a week doesn't strike me as particularly concerning, although I do agree with you that if there are the ongoing issues described the next thing probably should be figuring out what is leading to them. I think being bloated all the time sounds quite unpleasant. (My sister was diagnosed with IBS and among other things took fiber for some time which helped but eventually figured out and eliminated some trigger foods (for IBS, she was never overweight) and now has no issues or very rare anyway.)
Also seriously all Im doing is eating veggies fruit cheese and eggs lol that is not unhealthy? I dont plan to "sweat it out" in a sauna. I am too easily bored to sit in a sauna for hours. Lol. If I am allergic to gluten it might actually make me feel better eating this type of diet. So far so good except for having a flu which is unrelated to the diet. Im not even exercising right now. I usually do Zumba but Im taking a break because it makes me retain water when I exercise too hard.0 -
I see. To me, it's a question of priorities at this point. I think one of her prior posts detailing the stresses of feeding the whole family, plus some of her health issues would make for an excellent first or reset/restart post. It seems a bit irresponsible to me to pour on any of these additional manipulations in the face of these health issues (I'm lumping sauna et al in the same category due to the IMO broad statement of a bodybuilder prepping for competition). What if her true diagnosis is contraindicated with any short term protocols she follows? But I suppose none of us knew; the info wasn't shared up front.
So you tell me, that if you had a chance to win a few hundred dollars, that you wouldn't modify your diet to try? Because I know I would.
And we are literally only talking a few more days now. And if the OP started to experience worst symptoms, that solution is easy.. stop following the protocols. Not everything has to be intended as a life change. Also, if she does have IBS, than reduce carbs might be helpful. But it's hard to say. And she will have enough time prior to going to the GI to return to her natural dieting.
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