Do diet pills and fat burners really work?
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witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
Do they come with a "best used in conjunction with a balanced diet and regular exercise" bit?
No actually they dont.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
Hmm, I cant imagine what company it is you work for!
I didnt join the company to sell products and make money. I joined the company after using the products and seeing results. That made me believe in the products. I wanted to help other people too. Please dont bash it.-5 -
witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
This is the best thing I have read.....probably ever. I haven't been more excited to read the next part of something since Harry Potter.15 -
rainbowbow wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
I've gotten this demo as "proof" before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncrNDiGuco
Trust me, i've been down this rabbit hole... you're wasting your time with these people.
They also believe a topical serum can penetrate skin and connective tissue to "detoxify" fat cells.
Cool, thanks for that
Sadly, I only managed to watch about half of the video as I could feel myself getting dumber by the second, but, I'm very impressed!
I'm also quite surprised that a glass of water can replicate the acidity, heat and enzymes found in the human stomach, but every day's a learning day, right?
But, the main gist I got was that if the fat sinks to the bottom, it doesn't get digested.
So, from now on, I'm going to eat 3 x 24" pizzas a day but place them upside down on the plate before eating them. That way, the fat will be on the bottom and I can watch the lbs melt away.
There you go all, a free tip there, no need to thank me
And as for detoxifying fat cells, I didn't even know they were toxic let alone that they could be cured with cream!
Damn, I feel so stupid for spending so long eating at a calorific deficit, working out regularly and reducing my body fat in a safe, sustainable way
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My question for you is, do you think those things really work?
If you did, I think you probably wouldn't have posed the question...
No, they are the lazy person's excuse not to do the work.
Eat less, Move more...Stay consistent over the long term....you WILL notice results!6 -
witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
I am not a scientist or a doctor. Im a 21 year old girl who has seen the results on friends, family, and even strangers. Heres is the best i can get for you. And yes everyone has survived all three since i take all 3 too.
I shall start with the first one. The ItWorks Fat Fighters. Two tablets contain the following ingredients:
Chromium dinicotinate glycinate 150 mcg: This reduces blood sugar levels.
NeOpuntia (cactus leaf) 500 mg: This is actually the prickly pear cactus which somehow binds fat so we dont absorb it.
Proprietary blend of the following 510 mg
1. Garcinia cambogia fruit extract: This prevents carbs from turning into fat.
2. Green tea leaf extract: This has caffeine which is a stimulant.
3. Phaseolamin: This is the white Kidney Bean Extract. This inhibits a carb digesting enzyme. So it blocks the carbs from being digested. It also reduces appetite by lower ghrelin hormones (the ones that tell you to eat).Also lowers blood sugar and insulin levels.
5. Bitter melon fruit: This inhibits primary human adipocyte differentiation by modulating adipogenic genes, which increases fat burning.
6. Banaba leaf extract: This lowers blood sugar and blocks carbs
7. Gymnema sylvestre leaf extract: This also lowers blood sugar
8. Wheat amalyase inhibitor: amalyase is an enzyme that helps us absorb carbs. So an inhibitor would make us not.
9. Vanadium: Also reduces blood sugar
The 2nd one is the thermofit.
Ingredients:
1. B12- Boost Energy
2. Chromium- Already talked about
3. Capsaicin- This comes from hot peppers. It reduces appetite and speeds up fat burning.
4. Capsimax- This is a type of Capsaicin which causes sensations of heat and burning because it promotes the release of substance P.
5. Raspberry Keytones- doubled with Capsimax makes it stronger.
6. Acai Fruit Extract- superfood that lowers blood sugar
7. Green tea extract- already talked about
8. Bitter melon- already talked about
9. Dandelion root- direuretic
10. Gymnema Leaf Extract- already talked about
11. Niacin- increases body temp-2 -
@witcherkar if these pills do what you claim why are you on this website? From your avatar it would seem that you have a fair bit of progress to make before you can start selling miracle weight loss products.20
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witcherkar wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
I am not a scientist or a doctor. Im a 21 year old girl who has seen the results on friends, family, and even strangers. Heres is the best i can get for you. And yes everyone has survived all three since i take all 3 too.
I shall start with the first one. The ItWorks Fat Fighters. Two tablets contain the following ingredients:
Chromium dinicotinate glycinate 150 mcg: This reduces blood sugar levels.
NeOpuntia (cactus leaf) 500 mg: This is actually the prickly pear cactus which somehow binds fat so we dont absorb it.
Proprietary blend of the following 510 mg
1. Garcinia cambogia fruit extract: This prevents carbs from turning into fat.
2. Green tea leaf extract: This has caffeine which is a stimulant.
3. Phaseolamin: This is the white Kidney Bean Extract. This inhibits a carb digesting enzyme. So it blocks the carbs from being digested. It also reduces appetite by lower ghrelin hormones (the ones that tell you to eat).Also lowers blood sugar and insulin levels.
5. Bitter melon fruit: This inhibits primary human adipocyte differentiation by modulating adipogenic genes, which increases fat burning.
6. Banaba leaf extract: This lowers blood sugar and blocks carbs
7. Gymnema sylvestre leaf extract: This also lowers blood sugar
8. Wheat amalyase inhibitor: amalyase is an enzyme that helps us absorb carbs. So an inhibitor would make us not.
9. Vanadium: Also reduces blood sugar
The 2nd one is the thermofit.
Ingredients:
1. B12- Boost Energy
2. Chromium- Already talked about
3. Capsaicin- This comes from hot peppers. It reduces appetite and speeds up fat burning.
4. Capsimax- This is a type of Capsaicin which causes sensations of heat and burning because it promotes the release of substance P.
5. Raspberry Keytones- doubled with Capsimax makes it stronger.
6. Acai Fruit Extract- superfood that lowers blood sugar
7. Green tea extract- already talked about
8. Bitter melon- already talked about
9. Dandelion root- direuretic
10. Gymnema Leaf Extract- already talked about
11. Niacin- increases body temp
May I ask how much you've lost to date using these products? I'm at about 70 lbs, using CICO...
Don't believe everything you see, read or hear.9 -
trigden1991 wrote: »@witcherkar if these pills do what you claim why are you on this website? From your avatar it would seem that you have a fair bit of progress to make before you can start selling miracle weight loss products.
Because it takes time just like everything else. Plus i lose motivation and stop. Plus i have binge eating disorder. Im not saying they are miracle weightloss pills. Im saying that they really do help. I wish yall would stop attacking me.1 -
witcherkar wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »@witcherkar if these pills do what you claim why are you on this website? From your avatar it would seem that you have a fair bit of progress to make before you can start selling miracle weight loss products.
Because it takes time just like everything else. Plus i lose motivation and stop. Plus i have binge eating disorder. Im not saying they are miracle weightloss pills. Im saying that they really do help. I wish yall would stop attacking me.
I don't think you're being attacked at all, we're just trying to make you see the light a bit. Have you lost weight? How much, and in what time frame? It seems to me you have a few excuses, and that might be what's holding you back. Give up the pills, get to logging regularly, have faith in yourself, and give your pocket book a break..lol. If I can do it the right way, so can you xo12 -
@JustMissTracy
I restarted the products on December first. I had a a few weeks where i wasnt feeling feeling well. I have lost 24.6 pounds since then according to my doctors scale. Without exercising. Without cico.2 -
JustMissTracy wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »@witcherkar if these pills do what you claim why are you on this website? From your avatar it would seem that you have a fair bit of progress to make before you can start selling miracle weight loss products.
Because it takes time just like everything else. Plus i lose motivation and stop. Plus i have binge eating disorder. Im not saying they are miracle weightloss pills. Im saying that they really do help. I wish yall would stop attacking me.
I don't think you're being attacked at all, we're just trying to make you see the light a bit. Have you lost weight? How much, and in what time frame? It seems to me you have a few excuses, and that might be what's holding you back. Give up the pills, get to logging regularly, have faith in yourself, and give your pocket book a break..lol. If I can do it the right way, so can you xo
24.6 pounds in 14 days. No exercise no logging regular.1 -
witcherkar wrote: »@JustMissTracy
I restarted the products on December first. I had a a few weeks where i wasnt feeling feeling well. I have lost 24.6 pounds since then according to my doctors scale. Without exercising. Without cico.
You've lost 24 pounds in 13 days? Great job, but I'm extremely skeptical. What happens when you stop taking them? BTW, feel free to add me, I'd love to help motivate you from this side of the conversation! xo5 -
rainbowbow wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
I've gotten this demo as "proof" before.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncrNDiGuco
Trust me, i've been down this rabbit hole... you're wasting your time with these people.
They also believe a topical serum can penetrate skin and connective tissue to "detoxify" fat cells.
I eat prickly pears all summer.. I suspect the ones I eat are somehow stripped of fiber? Because I used to eat a lot of them when I was morbidly obese and they did not magically make me lose weight.
On a different note, detergent emulsifies fat too. I think I'm onto something. Time to create a facebook page and start selling.5 -
witcherkar wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
I am not a scientist or a doctor. Im a 21 year old girl who has seen the results on friends, family, and even strangers. Heres is the best i can get for you. And yes everyone has survived all three since i take all 3 too.
I shall start with the first one. The ItWorks Fat Fighters. Two tablets contain the following ingredients:
Chromium dinicotinate glycinate 150 mcg: This reduces blood sugar levels.
NeOpuntia (cactus leaf) 500 mg: This is actually the prickly pear cactus which somehow binds fat so we dont absorb it.
Proprietary blend of the following 510 mg
1. Garcinia cambogia fruit extract: This prevents carbs from turning into fat.
2. Green tea leaf extract: This has caffeine which is a stimulant.
3. Phaseolamin: This is the white Kidney Bean Extract. This inhibits a carb digesting enzyme. So it blocks the carbs from being digested. It also reduces appetite by lower ghrelin hormones (the ones that tell you to eat).Also lowers blood sugar and insulin levels.
5. Bitter melon fruit: This inhibits primary human adipocyte differentiation by modulating adipogenic genes, which increases fat burning.
6. Banaba leaf extract: This lowers blood sugar and blocks carbs
7. Gymnema sylvestre leaf extract: This also lowers blood sugar
8. Wheat amalyase inhibitor: amalyase is an enzyme that helps us absorb carbs. So an inhibitor would make us not.
9. Vanadium: Also reduces blood sugar
The 2nd one is the thermofit.
Ingredients:
1. B12- Boost Energy
2. Chromium- Already talked about
3. Capsaicin- This comes from hot peppers. It reduces appetite and speeds up fat burning.
4. Capsimax- This is a type of Capsaicin which causes sensations of heat and burning because it promotes the release of substance P.
5. Raspberry Keytones- doubled with Capsimax makes it stronger.
6. Acai Fruit Extract- superfood that lowers blood sugar
7. Green tea extract- already talked about
8. Bitter melon- already talked about
9. Dandelion root- direuretic
10. Gymnema Leaf Extract- already talked about
11. Niacin- increases body temp
Cool, thanks for that. As I say, I'm no biologist, or even a biological chemist, so I have no idea what the effect of a lot of these extracts are.
There are certainly some compounds that may help to do as claimed, but the effects (to my limited knowledge) are going to be minimal and unlikely to be statistically significant.
Caffeine, obviously, is the one that leaps out as being helpful but the amount of caffeine in a percentage of 500mg of extract will obviously depend a lot on the extraction technique and the ratio to other compounds present.
CDG is another I'm familiar with, but I'm not aware of any research that conclusively demonstrates its effectiveness?
They appear to be extracts containing some ingredients that may help, some that are controversial, and others based on popular belief.
On a different note, I'm really glad they work for you. Personally, I wouldn't spend my money on them, but if you believe in them, and they help you stay in a calorific deficit as a result of this, then they're clearly worth it to you.
Does the company produce any peer reviewed scientific studies into the effectiveness of these tablets?8 -
Pills that can "overcome" the energy balance of CICO. I've heard it all now.11
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24lbs in 13 days seems to good to be true. If it does work then why don't doctors recommend it for obese people?9
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I love when they say no urgency to go and no discoloration in your stools!4
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The only thing you're guaranteed to lose with diet pills and fat burners is your money. Caffeinated coffee is supposed to suppress appetite and increased energy. Why not try drinking a cup or two of that instead?7
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witcherkar wrote: »
24.6 pounds in 14 days. No exercise no logging regular.
I occasionally do 2-week water fasts and don't even lose near that. I'm curious, are you taking diuretics?1 -
rainbowbow wrote: »
Many people neglect the fact that with 100lbs to lose, it is much easier to drop significant amounts of weight. Not to mention much more body to lose water weight from (I hold 7-10lbs of water weight normally).4 -
witcherkar wrote: »@JustMissTracy
I restarted the products on December first. I had a a few weeks where i wasnt feeling feeling well. I have lost 24.6 pounds since then according to my doctors scale. Without exercising. Without cico.
What does a typical day of eating look like for you when you are taking these products? Are you logging your food? How many total calories are you consuming?6 -
Yes, some of them work.
16 years ago I lost 35 pounds in 30 days using an OTC diet stack that is no longer available OTC. I went from 225 to 190 in the month of January, and kept the weight off for over a year.
During that month, I had more energy than usual, and slept better than usual.
Unfortunately, a year later, my regular workout buddy was injured and about 6 months later I stopped working out as often and gained the weight back(slowly over the next couple years.
If the supplement/stack was still available today, I would use it again. It's not available because some people abused it and used 3-5 times the recommended/necessary dosage in order to get minor benefit over using the standard dose.
No, I won't name the supplement/stack, but it should be pretty obvious which one I'm talking about.0 -
Didn't Oprah get thin again? She looked significantly smaller in her 50 favorite things pictures0 -
witcherkar wrote: »So i work for a health and wellness company. We have 3 products that used together help hou lose weight. One: suppresses appetite and gives you over 30 superfoods. Two: a carb and fat blocker. Three: a thermogenic metabolism booster making you burn double the calories. All natural ingredients. And yes it works. We have real people who have lost weight with it and as long as your not eating mcdonalds 3 times a day, it works. Ive used it. Wait, im still using it!!
That sounds very tempting! Can you quickly run through the mechanism by which these magic pills bind fat and carbohydrate to make them indigestible? And no need to go easy on the sciency bit, I'm an analytical chemist
Also, the ones that double calorie consumption - I'm no biologist, but I'm assuming the result would be massive amounts of heat? How does the body cope with that? Does RHR rise significantly? What are the effects on the heart?
If these things really did as claimed, has anyone ever survived taking all 3?
Yours in anticipation,
URGH! Scientists taking the magic out of everything ... lol7 -
Some worked very well. They got banned. Anything natural/herbal that works in the future? They'll ban it. Then what will you do? Regain the weight, that's what.
You can speculate as to why these bans happen or not if you wish. It's just been my experience after decades of use; from ephedra to methylsynephrine.
If it works? It gets banned.
The issue of tolerance and health concerns also exists. But then again, being very overweight isn't healthy, either.3 -
witcherkar wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »@witcherkar if these pills do what you claim why are you on this website? From your avatar it would seem that you have a fair bit of progress to make before you can start selling miracle weight loss products.
Because it takes time just like everything else. Plus i lose motivation and stop. Plus i have binge eating disorder. Im not saying they are miracle weightloss pills. Im saying that they really do help. I wish yall would stop attacking me.
You're not saying they're miracle weight loss pills, except they apparently double your energy expenditure and made you lose 1,75 pounds per day.
Sure.
Let's put that in numbers, shall we? That's a deficit of 6125 calories every day if you thought that was fat. That would not require doubling your calories but almost quadrupling, if you ate in maintenance before and didn't change your eating.8 -
stevencloser wrote: »Let's put that in numbers, shall we? That's a deficit of 6125 calories every day if you thought that was fat. That would not require doubling your calories but almost quadrupling, if you ate in maintenance before and didn't change your eating.
But ... they're *magic*!!
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stevencloser wrote: »witcherkar wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »@witcherkar if these pills do what you claim why are you on this website? From your avatar it would seem that you have a fair bit of progress to make before you can start selling miracle weight loss products.
Because it takes time just like everything else. Plus i lose motivation and stop. Plus i have binge eating disorder. Im not saying they are miracle weightloss pills. Im saying that they really do help. I wish yall would stop attacking me.
You're not saying they're miracle weight loss pills, except they apparently double your energy expenditure and made you lose 1,75 pounds per day.
Sure.
Let's put that in numbers, shall we? That's a deficit of 6125 calories every day if you thought that was fat. That would not require doubling your calories but almost quadrupling, if you ate in maintenance before and didn't change your eating.
I think the entire account is a troll--I'd bail out now.
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