January 2017 Running Challenge

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  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    Pickle juice. I forgot to tell you my story about pickle juice.

    On New Years Eve day I spent over 3 hours running ice covered trails. Not as bad as yesterdays trail, but plenty icy nonetheless. I didn't have my screw shoes but managed to run 17 miles and only fell 3 times.

    I've mentioned a few times how running on icy roads or trails gives your stability muscles a good workout...muscles you generally don't get use, or don't get used nearly as much running on dry ground. So what happens when you over work muscles when they're not used to it? DOMS and cramps. I abused my stability muscles for over 3 hours that day.

    Fast forward to the evening. I'm sitting on the couch, watching sports of some sort when my left inner thigh cramped up YOW!!!! It's one big knot so I struggle to get up and stretch it out. BANG!!! as I start stretching out the left, I'm contracting the right and it knots up something fierce. I'm now in severe pain with both inner thigh muscles cramped up. As I contemplate how I'm going to resolve the situation my abs join in on the fun. I now start cussing and yelling loudly. If I try to stretch out one muscle it just makes it worse for the other two. I'm in quite a fix!

    My son heard the commotion and ran downstairs to see what my issue is. He has no idea what's going on but he sees me struggling and and he asks how he can help.

    "PICKLE JUICE!!!" I scream. Now I couldn't turn around to see him but I could certainly picture the confused look on his face as he paused before saying, "what?".

    "PICKLE JUICE!!", I scream again, "get me a glass of pickle juice now! I'll explain later.

    I'm nearly in tears now, it hurts so bad. He dutifully pours a glass of pickle juice and brings it over. I slam it down like a shot of cheap whiskey.

    Almost immediately the cramps started loosening up and within 30 seconds they were completely gone. Amazing!

    I had never tried pickle juice for cramps before but had read about it somewhere. In the urgency of the moment, it was the only thing I could think of and I'm glad I did. I Googled the topic later and actually found some scientific research that showed that pickle juice does work, but it doesn't not definitively explain why. The reaction is too quick to credit anything the body can absorb, such as electrolytes (and there's strong evidence that electrolyte levels have nothing to do with cramping). There's a theory that the juice stimulates some nerves in the back of throat which triggers a reflex to shut down the overactive neurons which cause the cramps.

    I now plan on having a couple of shots of pickle juice with me when I run my ultra in April. I would have had a hard time believing it would work that well prior to my incident, but I'm a believer now. Do any of you have any direct experience with the magic of pickle juice?

    Yes on pickle juice. Since I'm fat adapted, I need even more electrolytes than most people and I always keep some pickle juice around for those cramps. I will acknowledge that it seems to work faster than some other sources, but most of those other sources I've used are solid foods. Pickle juice doesn't seem to work much more quickly than water with electrolyte tablets dissolved in it. Not scientific, but my experience with common calf and foot cramps.
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    edited January 2017
    @7lenny7 Awesome! Only pickle juice experience I have is, not to touch the pickle juice for fear of DD's wrath. Idk what's up with that. Girls?
  • RunsOnEspresso
    RunsOnEspresso Posts: 3,218 Member
    Elise4270 wrote: »
    RunsOnEspresso wrote: »
    2 miles today. 6.18 for the month.

    I think I might be getting a form of vertigo while running. Right around the two-mile mark I get dizzy and feel like I'm looking at a funhouse mirror. I stop to walk and I feel like I'm drunk, wobbling all over the sidewalk. I sit down and once the feeling passes I can walk normal again (I don't attempt to run). I may have to take a break until I can get into the doctor. :'(

    This happened to me... It was easy to fix (if it's the same thing). I'll google it can come back. Of course it could be sinus issues too. BRB

    http://www.swedish.org/blog/2013/04/dizziness-from-loose-crystals-in-your-head

    I found the procedure once. Bet it can be found again. It amazingly fixed it in 10 minutes. BRB

    I know it sounds like hokum!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epley_maneuver?wprov=sfla1

    If that doesn't help, some dramine might. Or try both. I still get car sick. My inner ear is sensitive I guess.

    I will check this out! I had a ton of inner ear issues as a kid. Don't get car or sea sick though but I'd try Dramamine.

    @OSUbuckeye906 @Elise4270 There definitely could be some lingering sinus issues. Still have a bit of stuffiness and ears are popping some. I'd much rather have it be sinus stuff that just needs to run its course!



  • greenolivetree
    greenolivetree Posts: 1,282 Member
    @7lenny7 That's quite a story ;)
  • RunsOnEspresso
    RunsOnEspresso Posts: 3,218 Member
    @7lenny7 I haven't tried pickle juice but I think I've read about it in every running magazine I get. :D
  • KeepRunningFatboy
    KeepRunningFatboy Posts: 3,055 Member
    01.01.17 - 15 m. LR
    01.02.17 - 10 m.
    01.03.17 - 9.1 m. TM 6 M + 5K.
    01.05.17 - 9 m. TM w/ incline.
    01.06.17 - 10 m. TM. 9:10 pace.
    01.07.17 - 8.1 m. TM 5 M + 5K.
    01.08.17 - 8.8 m. incl 2x5K's.
    01.09.17 - 11 m. TM @ 8:35 pace.
    01.10.17 - 8 m. TM. EZ pace jog tonight.
    01.11.17 - 11 m. TM @ 8:27 pace.
    01.12.17 - 6.4 m. EZ. Anticipate a LR this weekend.
    01.13.17 - 19 m. TM. LR.
    01.15.17 - 10 m. 9:33 pace. Next weeks goal - 65 miles.
    01.16.17 - 11 m. TM. 8:18 pace.

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  • KeepRunningFatboy
    KeepRunningFatboy Posts: 3,055 Member
    @7lenny7 - Re Pickle Juice. YES - 3 bottles per 26.2. Pre-race; Around mile 16-18; and Immediately after I hit the finish line.
  • OSUbuckeye906
    OSUbuckeye906 Posts: 315 Member
    @7lenny7 Ugh, I cringe at the though of pickle juice as I'm not a fan of pickles at all. :s I have heard of that remedy though. I may only consider it if it were to cure cramps mid-marathon like I have experienced several times. Awesome that it worked so fast for you.
  • HonuNui
    HonuNui Posts: 1,464 Member
    January goal: Get up. Move.

    1/1: rest
    1/2 3.55
    1/3 4.21
    1/4 5.69
    1/5 rest
    1/6 2.71 + core/strength training
    1/7 4.17
    1/8 yoga
    1/9 bought a car. Took ALL day!
    1/10 4.70
    1/11 3.2
    1/12 work sux
    1/13 work still sux
    1/14 exhausted from sukky work week
    1/15 5.11
    1/16 3.15 +core/strength training

    Total: 36.49

    Ticker is my goal for 2017 and total to date:

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  • juliet3455
    juliet3455 Posts: 3,015 Member
    A SSR Short Slow Run 8 km along the Riverbank trails at dusk. Some will remember early December we had extreme cold in the -30 range plus wind chill giving us close to -40. Today 6C = 43F. A major winter Chinook - Heat wave. The bad part is that the Trails that were just nicely hard packed are melting and turning into Skating Rinks, not as bad as @7lenny7 and his recent trail experience but just as frustrating. Hopefully I won't need any Pickle Juice. Of course going for a run just as the Sun was setting meant the Headlamp had no benefit and the ambient light did not show the icy patch's so a bit of a self made disaster.

    01/04 8.0 km –8.0km –132.0 km – YTD 8 km
    01/06 7.0 km –15.0km –125.0 km
    01/07 8.0 km –23.0km –117.0 km
    01/08 6.0 km –29.0km –111.0 km
    01/13 12.0 km –41.0km –99.0 km
    01/14 10.5 km –51.5km –88.5 km
    01/16 8.0 km –59.5km –80.5 km – YTD 59.5

    @zipsterj I have my goal set at 140 km, I have only made it about 40% of the time. But I will keep on pushing forward.
    @OSUbuckeye906 Sorry to hear that your car accident, watch out for delayed on set soreness from the seatbelts.
    @k80flec Yes Trail Running can be very addictive. Just ask @7lenny7 and why he has a special log just for Trail Miles. Loved those Photo's of the trail run, Hated the icy conditions you described.
    @kellybea73 Welcome to the Group
  • davetheperson
    davetheperson Posts: 124 Member
    1/2/2017 2.4 Miles
    1/4/2017 2.0 Miles
    1/7/2017 2.3 Miles
    1/9/2017 2.2 Miles
    1/13/2017 2.3 Miles
    1/15/2017 1.5 Miles

    Total: 12.7 Miles out of 30 Miles
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    edited January 2017
    MobyCarp wrote: »
    Orphia wrote: »
    Why are Strava and Garmin heart rate zones so different?

    My easy runs are fine, and in Zone 2 on Strava, but Garmin has me in Zone 5 a lot of the time!

    Using a Forerunner 225.

    You made me look. Strava pulls HR data from Garmin, so it looks identical as far as I can tell from eyeballing the charts. Strava doesn't give me HR zones; I might have to become a premium member to get that.

    First thing to look at is whether your Strava and Garmin HR numbers are the same. If they are, the difference is because Strava and Garmin are using different ranges for the zones. I can't speak to Strava, but Garmin Connect defaults to zones as percentage from zero to max HR. I changed mine to be the Karvonnen method, i.e. percentage from resting HR to max HR; that made the Garmin zones make more sense with how I felt at various heart rates.

    The remaining variables for figuring zones are what Strava and Garmin are using for your max HR, and what they are using for your resting HR. Because the difference in the two methods matters more for the lower zones, I'd guess that Garmin has a lower max HR for you than Strava does. FWIW, Garmin started out with my max HR at 220 minus my age; after a couple weeks of running data got pumped in, Garmin said my max HR was 185. I was 58 years old at that time, and my Garmin max HR has remained at 185 for almost 3 years now.

    Thanks, @garygse and @MobyCarp

    I changed Garmin from "% of Max" to "% of Heart Rate Reserve" (RHR 50) which made it a bit closer to Strava in terms of Zone 2.

  • 07KatieP13
    07KatieP13 Posts: 220 Member
    Date,,,,,,,,,,Miles,,,,,,,,,,Total
    1/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.0
    2/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4.3
    3/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4.3
    4/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,6.6
    5/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.6,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9.2
    6/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9.2
    7/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9.2
    8/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.6,,,,,,,,,,,,,,11.8
    9/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,14.7
    10/1,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,14.7
    11/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,17.7
    12/1,,,,,,,,,,,,2.3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,20.0
    13/1,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,20.0
    14/1,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,20.0
    15/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.4,,,,,,,,,,,,,,23.4
    16/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,26.4
    17/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,29.5

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  • louubelle16
    louubelle16 Posts: 579 Member
    edited January 2017
    @MNLittleFinn I'm following the Hal Higdon Beginners 2 programme, although with some tweaks I made. The only speedwork they have are some MP runs, but that's not exactly fast given my predicted time.
  • ddmom0811
    ddmom0811 Posts: 1,881 Member
    @respectTheKitty - hope you find something that works. I recommend getting Younger Next Year program:
    https://www.amazon.com/Younger-Next-Year-Exercise-Program/dp/0761186123 I think they have a DVD for it as well.

    @7lenny7 - glad you remembered the pickle juice! I hate pickles but my husband will use it after a very long bike ride. A friend who is a runner/cyclist carries salt with her (in a little tube). She can suddenly cramp up and has to take it right away.


    Went to the new trainer yesterday and it was more of an evaluation of where I am. He first checks my balance in many different ways and that was pretty good I guess. But he has everyone do neuromuscular activation exercises when you first wake up, which will help improve balancing. I couldn't remember some of them today (even though I had their name on a list)... so need to look them up or ask him to show me again. Then lots of various tests to see where I was. For some reason I was really afraid to jump up on boxes. I just didn't think I could do it! It reminded me of when I was a kid and was trying to learn to dive. I was just afraid. So he left me alone for a while practicing and I finally did it. I never did jump on the highest one but at least I got the middle one. At the end he had me sit in this weird compression sleeve - one on each leg. It went from tips of toes all the way up to butt. He says if you do it after a long run or ride you won't feel sore later. I liked it but it was hard to just sit there for 15 minutes relaxing. I wanted my phone, lol. It would SQUEEZE everything then release different little sections one at a time. I have several cyclist friends that have been doing this training and they really like it.

    1/1 - rest day (recovering from stomach virus)
    1/2 - 40 mile bike ride
    1/3 - 4 miles
    1/4 - 4.1 miles
    1/5 - rest day
    1/6 - 5 miles
    1/7 - 4 miles
    1/8 - 5 miles
    1/9 - 4 miles
    1/10 - 4.1
    1/11 - rest day
    1/12 - 4.1
    1/13 - 4.0
    1/14 - 34 miles biking
    1/15 - 56 miles biking - hills! felt like 100 miles
    1/16 - 4 miles + strength training
    1/17 - 4 miles

    Upcoming races
    2/5/17 - Daytona Beach HM
    2/26/17 - Disney Princess HM Orlando



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  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    @louubelle16 OK. I was wondering if it was one of those. I don't think I could do any plan that didn't have at least some tempo runs, I just get bored way too easily. I've got 1 fast workout per week in my plan (first 4 weeks are progression runs, then tempo intervals, and finally tempo runs sandwiched in 8-10 mile runs). I'll be watching to see how things are going for you with interest, I'm always looking to learn from what other folks are doing.
  • aoibhs22
    aoibhs22 Posts: 55 Member
    10.5 km done yesterday
  • garygse
    garygse Posts: 896 Member
    OSUbuckeye906 wrote: »
    @7lenny7 Ugh, I cringe at the though of pickle juice as I'm not a fan of pickles at all. :s I have heard of that remedy though. I may only consider it if it were to cure cramps mid-marathon like I have experienced several times. Awesome that it worked so fast for you.

    Totally with you on the pickle thing...I think I'd have to be dead first before considering chugging the juice. And don't get me started on the horrors of ordering a sandwich at lunch, and when the plate arrives there's an uninvited wedge of pickle on it that wasn't asked for, and the bread has already started to absorb some of its nastiness and from then on, the whole day just goes spiraling down the drain. In fact, when I'm elected President, pickles will be outlawed completely. My kids will hate me though; they love the things. They're weird.

    But other than that, glad to hear it works for those that do like them. :smile:
  • Stoshew71
    Stoshew71 Posts: 6,553 Member
    kellybea73 wrote: »
    1/3 3.25 miles
    1/13 6 miles

    I see you are in New Market. You are not far from me and @skippygirlsmom
  • karllundy
    karllundy Posts: 1,490 Member
    1/1 - Still wasn't feeling up to it.
    1/2 - Bodypump, the 2.25 miles on the 'mill
    1/3 - 4.5 miles on the treadmill (Trek class). That'll clean your lungs out.
    1/4 - Stayed in bed. Lingering cold + a bratty greyhound = not enough sleep.
    1/5 - Bodypump, then 2.25 treadmill miles.
    1/6 - 4.2 'mill miles. -3° F is way below my comfort level to run outside
    1/7 - Bodypump, then 2.25 treadmill miles.
    1/8-1/13 - Sick, sick, sick.
    1/14 - 3.4 'mill miles, then a quick upper body weight session.
    1/15 - Church / family day.
    1/16 - Too icy to run, too icy to drive. Barely left house.
    1/17 - 4.8 miles on the treadmill (Trek class). Fingers crossed my illness is done.

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  • Stoshew71
    Stoshew71 Posts: 6,553 Member
    Date Miles today - Miles for January
    1/1 REST DAY
    1/2 9 miles - 9
    1/3 10 miles - 19
    1/4 5 miles - 24
    1/5 10 miles - 34
    1/6 3.1 - 37.1 <<< Treadmill
    1/7 15 miles - 52.1
    1/8 REST DAY
    1/9 9.5 miles - 61.6
    1/10 10 miles - 71.6
    1/11 5 miles - 76.6
    1/12 10.15 miles - 86.75
    1/13 5.25 miles - 92
    1/14 16 miles - 108
    1/15 REST DAY
    1/16 8.25 miles - 116.25
    1/17 7.35 miles - 123.6

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    Upcoming races:
    UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
    Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
    Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
    PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
    Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
    Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25 << 1:20:22 1 in AG & 15 OA
    Huntsville Half Marathon - 11/12 << 1:35:55 2 in AG & 25 OA
    Rocket City Marathon - 12/10 << 2:44:41
    Elkmont Hound Dog Half - 1/21
    Kentucky Derby Marathon - 4/29

  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    edited January 2017
    @7lenny7- I agree with you that I am probably doing most of my training runs faster than I should. I have studied the Daniel's tables using both my marathon pace and my half marathon pace (which is more recent and ends up giving me faster training paces across the board). My easy runs are within the McMillan training guidelines, although on the faster end of the range. They are definitely conversational though. My tempo runs, at least my recent ones which I have slowed down, are a good bit slower than the McMillan table suggests, which is why this whole dilemma cropped up in the first place. I think my confusion/hesitation stems from the fact that I am trying to train to run a marathon, not based on my ability, but based on making it easy and comfortable. It's almost like I have gone full circle and am back to training for my first marathon when I was only worried about running the distance. Intuitively, I think I will be okay if I just practice running in my comfort zone. But now that I have knowledge and experience behind me, it just leave me second guessing everything I am doing.

    BTW, awesome pics from your run and great tip on the pickle juice!
  • TattooedDolphinGirl78
    TattooedDolphinGirl78 Posts: 5,214 Member
    Morning gang!

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    1/1: Walked 15K+ steps
    2/1: Walked 15K+ steps
    3/1: 3.52 kms (Wk1 D1 C25K) + 30 mins yoga + 10 mins Squat Challenge + 5 mins Tabata HIIT
    4/1: 3.54 kms (Wk1 D2 C25K) + 30 mins yoga + 7 mins HIIT
    5/1: 3.54 kms (Wk1 D2 C25K – repeat) + 30 mins yoga + 14 mins HIIT
    6/1: 3.63 kms (Wk1 D3 C25K) + 30 mins yoga
    7/1: Walked 16K+ steps + 4 hours of cleaning (post paint job)
    8/1: Walked 15K+ steps
    9/1: Walked 16K+ steps + 2.5 hours of cleaning (post paint job) - Had to fast for a medical app't in the morning, so no usual workout
    10/1: 3.55 kms (Wk2 D1 C25K) + Strength Training (Day 1 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
    11/1: 3.63 kms (Wk2 D2 C25K) + Strength Training (Day 2 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
    12/1: 3.60 kms (Wk2 D2 C25K – repeat) + Strength Training (Day 3 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
    13/1: 3.70 kms (Wk2 D3 C25K) + Fit Test via FitStar (Day 4 of 30 Day Challenge is Rest) + 30 mins yoga
    14/1: Walked 15K+ steps
    15/1: Walked 11K+ steps
    16/1: Walked 13K+ steps
    17/1: 3.64 kms (Wk3 D1 C25K) + Strength Training (Day 5 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
  • snowyne
    snowyne Posts: 268 Member
    Another 4.2 on 1/15 & 1/16. That puts my Jan. total at 51.3/90.

    I sorta can't believe it. As a newbie runner, I'm impressing the hell out of myself! Hoping for another 4 mi. later today.
    Have a great day, all! :)
  • skippygirlsmom
    skippygirlsmom Posts: 4,433 Member
    I need to go back and catch up on all the posts. Didn't run yesterday (track meet) or today because I only slept like 2 hours last night. I just couldn't sleep.

    I'm taking Skip to the orthopedic center tomorrow morning. I've never had a stress fracture or shin splints so we are not sure what she is feeling. Friday she said her ankles felt tight in the front, I thought it was strange, but in the interest of TMI she is getting to her TOM so I thought some water being held. Saturday we went out to run and she couldn't make a mile without having to stop. Within a couples of miles she had stopped a few times and was crying they hurt so bad. She did some stretching and tried again, still too much pain. She went home iced and rested. Sunday she said both were much better, just one was "tight". We get to her meet on Monday, she went outside and did about a mile or so warm up (to run a mile race LOL) and said she was fine. By about 600m into the 1600m I could see she was in pain and limping to run. I got as close to the track as I could and yelled at her to stop, I'm not a fan of watching my kid make an injury worse. She ignored me and continued. She finished and when I could get where I could talk to her she was crying (I think more about her time) but was saying the pain was unbearable while she was running. She went to the trainer there and she said she thought shin splints or tendinitis. She wanted to run the 800m, but her coach pulled her out not wanting to make things worse. Today she is still in pain.

    I've talked to her school trainer and tomorrow she has an appt first thing for xrays, he wants to make sure she doesn't have a stress fracture. I guess what I'm asking for those of who you have suffered with shin splints or stress fractures, does that sound like the type of pain you have? Either way she is done with indoor as far as I'm concerned. I won't let her run until she is healed enough not to have any type of relapse.

    Thanks

  • TattooedDolphinGirl78
    TattooedDolphinGirl78 Posts: 5,214 Member
    @skippygirlsmom I hope that the orthopedic center will have a diagnosis and solution for your girl. :cry:
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