January 2017 Running Challenge
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Pickle juice. I forgot to tell you my story about pickle juice.
On New Years Eve day I spent over 3 hours running ice covered trails. Not as bad as yesterdays trail, but plenty icy nonetheless. I didn't have my screw shoes but managed to run 17 miles and only fell 3 times.
I've mentioned a few times how running on icy roads or trails gives your stability muscles a good workout...muscles you generally don't get use, or don't get used nearly as much running on dry ground. So what happens when you over work muscles when they're not used to it? DOMS and cramps. I abused my stability muscles for over 3 hours that day.
Fast forward to the evening. I'm sitting on the couch, watching sports of some sort when my left inner thigh cramped up YOW!!!! It's one big knot so I struggle to get up and stretch it out. BANG!!! as I start stretching out the left, I'm contracting the right and it knots up something fierce. I'm now in severe pain with both inner thigh muscles cramped up. As I contemplate how I'm going to resolve the situation my abs join in on the fun. I now start cussing and yelling loudly. If I try to stretch out one muscle it just makes it worse for the other two. I'm in quite a fix!
My son heard the commotion and ran downstairs to see what my issue is. He has no idea what's going on but he sees me struggling and and he asks how he can help.
"PICKLE JUICE!!!" I scream. Now I couldn't turn around to see him but I could certainly picture the confused look on his face as he paused before saying, "what?".
"PICKLE JUICE!!", I scream again, "get me a glass of pickle juice now! I'll explain later.
I'm nearly in tears now, it hurts so bad. He dutifully pours a glass of pickle juice and brings it over. I slam it down like a shot of cheap whiskey.
Almost immediately the cramps started loosening up and within 30 seconds they were completely gone. Amazing!
I had never tried pickle juice for cramps before but had read about it somewhere. In the urgency of the moment, it was the only thing I could think of and I'm glad I did. I Googled the topic later and actually found some scientific research that showed that pickle juice does work, but it doesn't not definitively explain why. The reaction is too quick to credit anything the body can absorb, such as electrolytes (and there's strong evidence that electrolyte levels have nothing to do with cramping). There's a theory that the juice stimulates some nerves in the back of throat which triggers a reflex to shut down the overactive neurons which cause the cramps.
I now plan on having a couple of shots of pickle juice with me when I run my ultra in April. I would have had a hard time believing it would work that well prior to my incident, but I'm a believer now. Do any of you have any direct experience with the magic of pickle juice?
Yes on pickle juice. Since I'm fat adapted, I need even more electrolytes than most people and I always keep some pickle juice around for those cramps. I will acknowledge that it seems to work faster than some other sources, but most of those other sources I've used are solid foods. Pickle juice doesn't seem to work much more quickly than water with electrolyte tablets dissolved in it. Not scientific, but my experience with common calf and foot cramps.2 -
RunsOnEspresso wrote: »2 miles today. 6.18 for the month.
I think I might be getting a form of vertigo while running. Right around the two-mile mark I get dizzy and feel like I'm looking at a funhouse mirror. I stop to walk and I feel like I'm drunk, wobbling all over the sidewalk. I sit down and once the feeling passes I can walk normal again (I don't attempt to run). I may have to take a break until I can get into the doctor.
This happened to me... It was easy to fix (if it's the same thing). I'll google it can come back. Of course it could be sinus issues too. BRB
http://www.swedish.org/blog/2013/04/dizziness-from-loose-crystals-in-your-head
I found the procedure once. Bet it can be found again. It amazingly fixed it in 10 minutes. BRB
I know it sounds like hokum!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epley_maneuver?wprov=sfla1
If that doesn't help, some dramine might. Or try both. I still get car sick. My inner ear is sensitive I guess.
I will check this out! I had a ton of inner ear issues as a kid. Don't get car or sea sick though but I'd try Dramamine.
@OSUbuckeye906 @Elise4270 There definitely could be some lingering sinus issues. Still have a bit of stuffiness and ears are popping some. I'd much rather have it be sinus stuff that just needs to run its course!
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@7lenny7 That's quite a story0
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@7lenny7 I haven't tried pickle juice but I think I've read about it in every running magazine I get.1
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01.01.17 - 15 m. LR
01.02.17 - 10 m.
01.03.17 - 9.1 m. TM 6 M + 5K.
01.05.17 - 9 m. TM w/ incline.
01.06.17 - 10 m. TM. 9:10 pace.
01.07.17 - 8.1 m. TM 5 M + 5K.
01.08.17 - 8.8 m. incl 2x5K's.
01.09.17 - 11 m. TM @ 8:35 pace.
01.10.17 - 8 m. TM. EZ pace jog tonight.
01.11.17 - 11 m. TM @ 8:27 pace.
01.12.17 - 6.4 m. EZ. Anticipate a LR this weekend.
01.13.17 - 19 m. TM. LR.
01.15.17 - 10 m. 9:33 pace. Next weeks goal - 65 miles.
01.16.17 - 11 m. TM. 8:18 pace.
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@7lenny7 - Re Pickle Juice. YES - 3 bottles per 26.2. Pre-race; Around mile 16-18; and Immediately after I hit the finish line.4
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@7lenny7 Ugh, I cringe at the though of pickle juice as I'm not a fan of pickles at all. I have heard of that remedy though. I may only consider it if it were to cure cramps mid-marathon like I have experienced several times. Awesome that it worked so fast for you.1
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January goal: Get up. Move.
1/1: rest
1/2 3.55
1/3 4.21
1/4 5.69
1/5 rest
1/6 2.71 + core/strength training
1/7 4.17
1/8 yoga
1/9 bought a car. Took ALL day!
1/10 4.70
1/11 3.2
1/12 work sux
1/13 work still sux
1/14 exhausted from sukky work week
1/15 5.11
1/16 3.15 +core/strength training
Total: 36.49
Ticker is my goal for 2017 and total to date:
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A SSR Short Slow Run 8 km along the Riverbank trails at dusk. Some will remember early December we had extreme cold in the -30 range plus wind chill giving us close to -40. Today 6C = 43F. A major winter Chinook - Heat wave. The bad part is that the Trails that were just nicely hard packed are melting and turning into Skating Rinks, not as bad as @7lenny7 and his recent trail experience but just as frustrating. Hopefully I won't need any Pickle Juice. Of course going for a run just as the Sun was setting meant the Headlamp had no benefit and the ambient light did not show the icy patch's so a bit of a self made disaster.
01/04 8.0 km –8.0km –132.0 km – YTD 8 km
01/06 7.0 km –15.0km –125.0 km
01/07 8.0 km –23.0km –117.0 km
01/08 6.0 km –29.0km –111.0 km
01/13 12.0 km –41.0km –99.0 km
01/14 10.5 km –51.5km –88.5 km
01/16 8.0 km –59.5km –80.5 km – YTD 59.5
@zipsterj I have my goal set at 140 km, I have only made it about 40% of the time. But I will keep on pushing forward.
@OSUbuckeye906 Sorry to hear that your car accident, watch out for delayed on set soreness from the seatbelts.
@k80flec Yes Trail Running can be very addictive. Just ask @7lenny7 and why he has a special log just for Trail Miles. Loved those Photo's of the trail run, Hated the icy conditions you described.
@kellybea73 Welcome to the Group2 -
1/2/2017 2.4 Miles
1/4/2017 2.0 Miles
1/7/2017 2.3 Miles
1/9/2017 2.2 Miles
1/13/2017 2.3 Miles
1/15/2017 1.5 Miles
Total: 12.7 Miles out of 30 Miles2 -
Why are Strava and Garmin heart rate zones so different?
My easy runs are fine, and in Zone 2 on Strava, but Garmin has me in Zone 5 a lot of the time!
Using a Forerunner 225.
You made me look. Strava pulls HR data from Garmin, so it looks identical as far as I can tell from eyeballing the charts. Strava doesn't give me HR zones; I might have to become a premium member to get that.
First thing to look at is whether your Strava and Garmin HR numbers are the same. If they are, the difference is because Strava and Garmin are using different ranges for the zones. I can't speak to Strava, but Garmin Connect defaults to zones as percentage from zero to max HR. I changed mine to be the Karvonnen method, i.e. percentage from resting HR to max HR; that made the Garmin zones make more sense with how I felt at various heart rates.
The remaining variables for figuring zones are what Strava and Garmin are using for your max HR, and what they are using for your resting HR. Because the difference in the two methods matters more for the lower zones, I'd guess that Garmin has a lower max HR for you than Strava does. FWIW, Garmin started out with my max HR at 220 minus my age; after a couple weeks of running data got pumped in, Garmin said my max HR was 185. I was 58 years old at that time, and my Garmin max HR has remained at 185 for almost 3 years now.
Thanks, @garygse and @MobyCarp
I changed Garmin from "% of Max" to "% of Heart Rate Reserve" (RHR 50) which made it a bit closer to Strava in terms of Zone 2.
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Date,,,,,,,,,,Miles,,,,,,,,,,Total
1/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.0
2/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4.3
3/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4.3
4/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,6.6
5/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.6,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9.2
6/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9.2
7/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,9.2
8/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.6,,,,,,,,,,,,,,11.8
9/1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.9,,,,,,,,,,,,,,14.7
10/1,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,14.7
11/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,17.7
12/1,,,,,,,,,,,,2.3,,,,,,,,,,,,,,20.0
13/1,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,20.0
14/1,,,,,,,,,,Rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,20.0
15/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.4,,,,,,,,,,,,,,23.4
16/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,26.4
17/1,,,,,,,,,,,,3.1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,29.5
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@MNLittleFinn I'm following the Hal Higdon Beginners 2 programme, although with some tweaks I made. The only speedwork they have are some MP runs, but that's not exactly fast given my predicted time.1
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@respectTheKitty - hope you find something that works. I recommend getting Younger Next Year program:
https://www.amazon.com/Younger-Next-Year-Exercise-Program/dp/0761186123 I think they have a DVD for it as well.
@7lenny7 - glad you remembered the pickle juice! I hate pickles but my husband will use it after a very long bike ride. A friend who is a runner/cyclist carries salt with her (in a little tube). She can suddenly cramp up and has to take it right away.
Went to the new trainer yesterday and it was more of an evaluation of where I am. He first checks my balance in many different ways and that was pretty good I guess. But he has everyone do neuromuscular activation exercises when you first wake up, which will help improve balancing. I couldn't remember some of them today (even though I had their name on a list)... so need to look them up or ask him to show me again. Then lots of various tests to see where I was. For some reason I was really afraid to jump up on boxes. I just didn't think I could do it! It reminded me of when I was a kid and was trying to learn to dive. I was just afraid. So he left me alone for a while practicing and I finally did it. I never did jump on the highest one but at least I got the middle one. At the end he had me sit in this weird compression sleeve - one on each leg. It went from tips of toes all the way up to butt. He says if you do it after a long run or ride you won't feel sore later. I liked it but it was hard to just sit there for 15 minutes relaxing. I wanted my phone, lol. It would SQUEEZE everything then release different little sections one at a time. I have several cyclist friends that have been doing this training and they really like it.
1/1 - rest day (recovering from stomach virus)
1/2 - 40 mile bike ride
1/3 - 4 miles
1/4 - 4.1 miles
1/5 - rest day
1/6 - 5 miles
1/7 - 4 miles
1/8 - 5 miles
1/9 - 4 miles
1/10 - 4.1
1/11 - rest day
1/12 - 4.1
1/13 - 4.0
1/14 - 34 miles biking
1/15 - 56 miles biking - hills! felt like 100 miles
1/16 - 4 miles + strength training
1/17 - 4 miles
Upcoming races
2/5/17 - Daytona Beach HM
2/26/17 - Disney Princess HM Orlando
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@louubelle16 OK. I was wondering if it was one of those. I don't think I could do any plan that didn't have at least some tempo runs, I just get bored way too easily. I've got 1 fast workout per week in my plan (first 4 weeks are progression runs, then tempo intervals, and finally tempo runs sandwiched in 8-10 mile runs). I'll be watching to see how things are going for you with interest, I'm always looking to learn from what other folks are doing.0
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10.5 km done yesterday2
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OSUbuckeye906 wrote: »@7lenny7 Ugh, I cringe at the though of pickle juice as I'm not a fan of pickles at all. I have heard of that remedy though. I may only consider it if it were to cure cramps mid-marathon like I have experienced several times. Awesome that it worked so fast for you.
Totally with you on the pickle thing...I think I'd have to be dead first before considering chugging the juice. And don't get me started on the horrors of ordering a sandwich at lunch, and when the plate arrives there's an uninvited wedge of pickle on it that wasn't asked for, and the bread has already started to absorb some of its nastiness and from then on, the whole day just goes spiraling down the drain. In fact, when I'm elected President, pickles will be outlawed completely. My kids will hate me though; they love the things. They're weird.
But other than that, glad to hear it works for those that do like them.2 -
Miles to add from my weekend and this morning. I'm now up to a meager 14.5/70. Had a great weekend running at Cuyahoga Valley National Park though and surprised myself by really enjoying the race. Looking forward to many more and am kicking myself a little for putting it off for so long. Got a short fartlek run in this morning. Really need to get my *kitten* out of bed earlier tomorrow so I can get more miles in. Finally feeling a little better and am looking forward to getting back into my normal running routine. Race plans for 2017:
02/19 Dirty Love 10k
04/01 Fool's 25k
05/14 Glacier Ridge Trail Race 30k
07/08 Buckeye Trail 50k
10/07 Cloudsplitter 100; 50k
12/10 Deception Pass 50k5 -
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kellybea73 wrote: »1/3 3.25 miles
1/13 6 miles
I see you are in New Market. You are not far from me and @skippygirlsmom0 -
1/1 - Still wasn't feeling up to it.
1/2 - Bodypump, the 2.25 miles on the 'mill
1/3 - 4.5 miles on the treadmill (Trek class). That'll clean your lungs out.
1/4 - Stayed in bed. Lingering cold + a bratty greyhound = not enough sleep.
1/5 - Bodypump, then 2.25 treadmill miles.
1/6 - 4.2 'mill miles. -3° F is way below my comfort level to run outside
1/7 - Bodypump, then 2.25 treadmill miles.
1/8-1/13 - Sick, sick, sick.
1/14 - 3.4 'mill miles, then a quick upper body weight session.
1/15 - Church / family day.
1/16 - Too icy to run, too icy to drive. Barely left house.
1/17 - 4.8 miles on the treadmill (Trek class). Fingers crossed my illness is done.
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Date Miles today - Miles for January
1/1 REST DAY
1/2 9 miles - 9
1/3 10 miles - 19
1/4 5 miles - 24
1/5 10 miles - 34
1/6 3.1 - 37.1 <<< Treadmill
1/7 15 miles - 52.1
1/8 REST DAY
1/9 9.5 miles - 61.6
1/10 10 miles - 71.6
1/11 5 miles - 76.6
1/12 10.15 miles - 86.75
1/13 5.25 miles - 92
1/14 16 miles - 108
1/15 REST DAY
1/16 8.25 miles - 116.25
1/17 7.35 miles - 123.6
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25 << 1:20:22 1 in AG & 15 OA
Huntsville Half Marathon - 11/12 << 1:35:55 2 in AG & 25 OA
Rocket City Marathon - 12/10 << 2:44:41
Elkmont Hound Dog Half - 1/21
Kentucky Derby Marathon - 4/29
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Set out at lunch time intending to do 12k tempo run but (unintentionally) went out too fast. Around 2k in I knew I was near my 10k pace and felt like I could keep it up, so decided to just go for 10k instead and try to beat my time. I did not know exactly what my 10k time was but figured if I could keep my current pace for 8k then pick it up for the last 2k I would probably do it. Anyway, all felt good and was on track at 5k and felt I could even give a little more so did so for second half - started to feel it about 8k and took a little breather (around 1min at MP whilst I lined up a fast tempo song on my phone!) which enabled me to keep it going past the 10k mark.
In the end I smashed my 10k time by over 3 minutes. It's now 53:20 down from 56:31. Admittedly I hadn't attempted a fast 10k in a while so knew there was time available. Also, today's route was pretty much pan-flat and wind was only 6mph (and sunny 4C) - even so I didn't think I'd break 54mins. In the process I also shaved time off my 5k time - down to 25:40 from 25:57, so I'm super happy especially after how hard yesterday's run felt!
3-Jan: 11.49k [6.7k MP + 4.8k easy - suffering with cold]
4-Jan: 5.3k treadmill intervals [TM]
5-Jan: 12.9k MP (slight hills)
6-Jan: 5.2k treadmill tempo + 2.2k treadmill intervals [TM]
7-Jan: 5.8k + 6.1k 'tired' runs (slightly slower than MP)
11-Jan: 24.2k long run
16-Jan: 5.6k MP
17-Jan: 10.6k Fast6 -
@7lenny7- I agree with you that I am probably doing most of my training runs faster than I should. I have studied the Daniel's tables using both my marathon pace and my half marathon pace (which is more recent and ends up giving me faster training paces across the board). My easy runs are within the McMillan training guidelines, although on the faster end of the range. They are definitely conversational though. My tempo runs, at least my recent ones which I have slowed down, are a good bit slower than the McMillan table suggests, which is why this whole dilemma cropped up in the first place. I think my confusion/hesitation stems from the fact that I am trying to train to run a marathon, not based on my ability, but based on making it easy and comfortable. It's almost like I have gone full circle and am back to training for my first marathon when I was only worried about running the distance. Intuitively, I think I will be okay if I just practice running in my comfort zone. But now that I have knowledge and experience behind me, it just leave me second guessing everything I am doing.
BTW, awesome pics from your run and great tip on the pickle juice!1 -
Morning gang!
1/1: Walked 15K+ steps
2/1: Walked 15K+ steps
3/1: 3.52 kms (Wk1 D1 C25K) + 30 mins yoga + 10 mins Squat Challenge + 5 mins Tabata HIIT
4/1: 3.54 kms (Wk1 D2 C25K) + 30 mins yoga + 7 mins HIIT
5/1: 3.54 kms (Wk1 D2 C25K – repeat) + 30 mins yoga + 14 mins HIIT
6/1: 3.63 kms (Wk1 D3 C25K) + 30 mins yoga
7/1: Walked 16K+ steps + 4 hours of cleaning (post paint job)
8/1: Walked 15K+ steps
9/1: Walked 16K+ steps + 2.5 hours of cleaning (post paint job) - Had to fast for a medical app't in the morning, so no usual workout
10/1: 3.55 kms (Wk2 D1 C25K) + Strength Training (Day 1 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
11/1: 3.63 kms (Wk2 D2 C25K) + Strength Training (Day 2 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
12/1: 3.60 kms (Wk2 D2 C25K – repeat) + Strength Training (Day 3 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
13/1: 3.70 kms (Wk2 D3 C25K) + Fit Test via FitStar (Day 4 of 30 Day Challenge is Rest) + 30 mins yoga
14/1: Walked 15K+ steps
15/1: Walked 11K+ steps
16/1: Walked 13K+ steps
17/1: 3.64 kms (Wk3 D1 C25K) + Strength Training (Day 5 of 30 Day Challenge) + 30 mins yoga
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Was able to get 5 miles done yesterday. Today I have therapy so I won't have time to go to the gym. I'm slowly working on getting myself up earlier so that hopefully by spring I'll be able to run in the morning again.
Total = 47.25/100 miles5 -
Another 4.2 on 1/15 & 1/16. That puts my Jan. total at 51.3/90.
I sorta can't believe it. As a newbie runner, I'm impressing the hell out of myself! Hoping for another 4 mi. later today.
Have a great day, all!4 -
I need to go back and catch up on all the posts. Didn't run yesterday (track meet) or today because I only slept like 2 hours last night. I just couldn't sleep.
I'm taking Skip to the orthopedic center tomorrow morning. I've never had a stress fracture or shin splints so we are not sure what she is feeling. Friday she said her ankles felt tight in the front, I thought it was strange, but in the interest of TMI she is getting to her TOM so I thought some water being held. Saturday we went out to run and she couldn't make a mile without having to stop. Within a couples of miles she had stopped a few times and was crying they hurt so bad. She did some stretching and tried again, still too much pain. She went home iced and rested. Sunday she said both were much better, just one was "tight". We get to her meet on Monday, she went outside and did about a mile or so warm up (to run a mile race LOL) and said she was fine. By about 600m into the 1600m I could see she was in pain and limping to run. I got as close to the track as I could and yelled at her to stop, I'm not a fan of watching my kid make an injury worse. She ignored me and continued. She finished and when I could get where I could talk to her she was crying (I think more about her time) but was saying the pain was unbearable while she was running. She went to the trainer there and she said she thought shin splints or tendinitis. She wanted to run the 800m, but her coach pulled her out not wanting to make things worse. Today she is still in pain.
I've talked to her school trainer and tomorrow she has an appt first thing for xrays, he wants to make sure she doesn't have a stress fracture. I guess what I'm asking for those of who you have suffered with shin splints or stress fractures, does that sound like the type of pain you have? Either way she is done with indoor as far as I'm concerned. I won't let her run until she is healed enough not to have any type of relapse.
Thanks
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@skippygirlsmom I hope that the orthopedic center will have a diagnosis and solution for your girl.0
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