Eating When Hungry vs. Sticking to a Calorie Plan
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RickyCoogin wrote: »Why?
Why not? A lot of people find tall men very attractive. Personally, at 5'7" I kind of wish I had the height of my dad or my uncles - none of whom are under 6 feet - but that wasn't in the cards for me. I definitely do like being on the bigger side, though I didn't like being morbidly obese, so for now I'm "just overweight" and feeling fine about it.
At the end of the day, all you can really do is work on the things you can change, accept the things you can't, and be confident in yourself. Even if we accepted as fact that being tall and broad-shouldered was less attractive - although I think, if anything, modern western society actually considers it more attractive - it's not like being tall somehow equates to being Quazimodo or something. Some people are tall, others are short, some are rail-thin, others are brawny, all of them can be beautiful.
Beauty isn't absolute or universal, it's aesthetics, different societies and different people have different opinions, and that's part of what makes humanity interesting. It would be a really boring world if everyone shared your opinions on everything.4 -
I feel like we shouldn't continue to discuss this with the OP in this thread, as if truly diagnosed with BDD we could actually be doing more harm than good in engaging at length on what is a really big deal in his life when none of us are professionals.3
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RickyCoogin wrote: »rankin - I'm aware that some women are really into tall men. Usually they are taller women. I think most women want a guy of average height and build.
I don't think I'm ugly, nor freakishly tall. The problem I have is that I don't like the image women have of a big bald guy: tough, strong, not caring how he looks, etc. I know some women think big bald guys are hot, but that doesn't mean I love being that way just because it might get me laid.
Well, remember that while first impressions matter, it's someone's CURRENT impression that matters more. Once people get to know you, their experiences make up the bulk of their perception of you.
And if you don't like aspects of how you think you're perceived, there are other things you could do to give a different impression. For example, if you think you come across as not caring how you look, buy and wear very nice clothing that fits you well. Experiment with different types of cologne. There are definitely things you can do to change the first impression others have of you, even without changing anything about your body.2 -
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RickyCoogin wrote: »Physical attraction comes first. If they're not attracted to me, they won't want to bother finding out what kind of person I am.
I want to date someone attractive. Attractive people have the privilege of being picky in who they date. It doesn't make them vain, it means they have a wider selection. A great deal of people settle for less and pretend the one they're with is the one they want, when they know it's simply all they can get.
I don't want to date someone who thinks I look attractive as I am right now. I'm going to have a hard enough time accepting that they're going to notice the stuff I hate about how I look that I can't change.
I'm sorry this is NOT a dating site .
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RickyCoogin wrote: »rankin - I'm aware that some women are really into tall men. Usually they are taller women. I think most women want a guy of average height and build.
I don't think I'm ugly, nor freakishly tall. The problem I have is that I don't like the image women have of a big bald guy: tough, strong, not caring how he looks, etc. I know some women think big bald guys are hot, but that doesn't mean I love being that way just because it might get me laid.
How about you stop thinking you know a damn thing about what women think or want, because clearly you don't have a clue.
Now I can't speak for my entire gender of course, but what I'm reasonably sure of is that most women tend to find judgemental prats pretty unattractive, even if they are drop dead gorgeous. You may want to think about that.10 -
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RickyCoogin wrote: »Hey, thanks. It's really confidence-inspiring when someone comes on here to take a cheap shot. You could have offered me help, but you gave me so much more.
We tried? And you shut everyone down?8 -
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OP, I hope this sounds as kind as it is meant to be... You really need to do a google search on symptoms of low self esteem and really research it. Find out what you can do to get better and make your self happy with who you are. Really think about why you dislike yourself this much, and I'm not talking about weight--that's understandable, but your height, you don't want muscle tone, ect, ect. You seem to think any masculine trait is unattractive. Why is that?5
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Stop projecting what you think onto everybody else. And what do you think calling the people who are trying to help you 'condescending' is, if not an insult? Glass houses...6
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RickyCoogin wrote: »So you approve of me being insulted as punishment for not subscribing to the idea that looks don't matter and that only shallow, worthless people would ever consider physical attractiveness as criteria for a romantic and sexual partner?
That's all anyone told me. A condescending "the right girl won't care what you look like...only totally shallow people actually care about looks." Give me a break. Whether you think me attractive or not, I'm going to be judged partially by my looks...and I don't begrudge anyone who does it. We all do it. I make assumptions based on looks all the time, and you do, too.
Weight loss sites live off the dramatic transformations people make. It hurts me a lot that while I can lose weight, I'm always going to be seen as big. Others can lose enough to avoid that, and yet I'm supposed to take pride in being big like it's some good thing.
Okay, let's try again...
Please tell me in what way you want us to help you? And we will do our best to oblige because we do care. One thing though, is we won't promote unhealthy ideals.3 -
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You made it the business of thousands of people by posting here, and I was actually addressing everyone but you.3
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RickyCoogin wrote: »Masculinity is embarrassing and unnecessary. I'm not saying I have trouble being a guy, but this is ridiculous. I'm half a foot taller than the average guy. I have hair on my stomach, chest, shoulders and back (and don't think for a minute I would ever date without getting rid of at least the hair on the latter two regions). I think I'm average build despite being fat and that means that even if I have no belly, I'll still have broad shoulders and when I sit down on the train, I'll have to hunch and nobody will want to sit by me (not that I'm really desiring company) because I'm the big wide guy taking up all the space.
I don't want to date a girl who wants a really masculine guy. I don't want a girl who loves a big or tall guy. Definitely not a girl who actually - ugh - prefers a bald guy. I would rather a girl who said, "I've never been into big bald guys, but after talking to you..." Most of the girls I've found into big bald guys want someone blue-collar and tough. I'm not interested in that.
So the vibe I'm getting is you don't want someone who would want you? You prefer the chase?
Not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to understand. As a woman, who knows other women well, I am pretty sure that there are girls out there who would be attracted to you, as you are. But if a girl is attracted to you, what then? Would you give her a chance?4 -
RickyCoogin wrote: »That's all anyone told me. A condescending "the right girl won't care what you look like...only totally shallow people actually care about looks." Give me a break. Whether you think me attractive or not, I'm going to be judged partially by my looks...and I don't begrudge anyone who does it. We all do it. I make assumptions based on looks all the time, and you do, too.
First, there is a difference between having "assumptions" made because of your looks and being "judged" based on looks.
Second, yes, people will make assumptions based on looks (and age, race, gender, dress, grooming habits, and all sorts of other things). And then, as they get to know you, they replace those assumptions with actual knowledge about you. A first impression is not a last impression unless you have no interaction. If someone's first impression is "tough", but you're actually shy and sensitive, once people get to know you they'll shift their perception accordingly.1 -
I think it's time to join the priesthood6
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RickyCoogin wrote: »Masculinity is embarrassing and unnecessary. I'm not saying I have trouble being a guy, but this is ridiculous. I'm half a foot taller than the average guy. I have hair on my stomach, chest, shoulders and back (and don't think for a minute I would ever date without getting rid of at least the hair on the latter two regions). I think I'm average build despite being fat and that means that even if I have no belly, I'll still have broad shoulders and when I sit down on the train, I'll have to hunch and nobody will want to sit by me (not that I'm really desiring company) because I'm the big wide guy taking up all the space.
I don't want to date a girl who wants a really masculine guy. I don't want a girl who loves a big or tall guy. Definitely not a girl who actually - ugh - prefers a bald guy. I would rather a girl who said, "I've never been into big bald guys, but after talking to you..." Most of the girls I've found into big bald guys want someone blue-collar and tough. I'm not interested in that.
So the vibe I'm getting is you don't want someone who would want you? You prefer the chase?
Not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to understand. As a woman, who knows other women well, I am pretty sure that there are girls out there who would be attracted to you, as you are. But if a girl is attracted to you, what then? Would you give her a chance?
Of course she wouldn't get a chance because clearly she is worthless:Having someone find me attractive is usually not good news, both because of what they find attractive and who they turn to be (e.g., desperate, not well-educated, no career, etc.).4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »RickyCoogin wrote: »rankin - I'm aware that some women are really into tall men. Usually they are taller women. I think most women want a guy of average height and build.
I don't think I'm ugly, nor freakishly tall. The problem I have is that I don't like the image women have of a big bald guy: tough, strong, not caring how he looks, etc. I know some women think big bald guys are hot, but that doesn't mean I love being that way just because it might get me laid.
How about you stop thinking you know a damn thing about what women think or want, because clearly you don't have a clue.
Now I can't speak for my entire gender of course, but what I'm reasonably sure of is that most women tend to find judgemental prats pretty unattractive, even if they are drop dead gorgeous. You may want to think about that.
This is a great summary of my thoughts. Thank you.
OP, even if you were a great looking guy (however you chose to define that), I suspect your attitude would be off-putting enough that dating would still be a challenge. I hope I'm wrong, but this is very much the sense that I'm getting from your posts. Reading this thread has been exhausting. Mainly because of the multiple implications that someone who would be open to dating someone who you don't define as good looking, must be ugly, uneducated, or some other form of undesirable. The value of an individual is not in their outer appearance.
Have you considered exploring Buddhist teachings and mindfulness? The philosophies on suffering, and ending suffering are very interesting.9 -
Like I said in my earlier post, you really need to do your own research and find out why you have such low self esteem. Just by reading what you wrote, I see you re-laying one sign of low self esteem after another. If I was a betting woman, and I'm not, I would bet you never had much much of a positive male role model growing up. It's really none of my business and I don't mean to get all psychological on you, just something to think about. What in your life has made you think being masculine is embarrassing? You have no reason to be embarrassed about all of these body traits you have described, they are perfectly normal for MANY men.0
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RickyCoogin wrote: »Masculinity is embarrassing and unnecessary. I'm not saying I have trouble being a guy, but this is ridiculous. I'm half a foot taller than the average guy. I have hair on my stomach, chest, shoulders and back (and don't think for a minute I would ever date without getting rid of at least the hair on the latter two regions). I think I'm average build despite being fat and that means that even if I have no belly, I'll still have broad shoulders and when I sit down on the train, I'll have to hunch and nobody will want to sit by me (not that I'm really desiring company) because I'm the big wide guy taking up all the space.
I don't want to date a girl who wants a really masculine guy. I don't want a girl who loves a big or tall guy. Definitely not a girl who actually - ugh - prefers a bald guy. I would rather a girl who said, "I've never been into big bald guys, but after talking to you..." Most of the girls I've found into big bald guys want someone blue-collar and tough. I'm not interested in that.
So what do you plan to do about it? You're 6'3" - do you think you're also going to lose height when you lose weight, or are you planning on getting part of your legs surgically removed, or what? Or do you just plan to lose weight until you look like a 6'3" ballet dancer? You don't like being a tall guy (it doesn't even sound like you much like being a guy at all), but you're stuck in a tall guy's body and there's not much you can do about that. Your options are pretty much either 1) Deal with what you are and make the best of it, or 2) As others have suggested, get some counseling so you can move past your body image problems. There's no realistic physical solution to it.
You say you don't want a girl who loves a big or tall guy - that pretty much leaves you fresh out of options because there's no way you can transform yourself into a 5'6" twink. You're a tall guy - time to come to grips with that and start dealing with it.10 -
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I'll assume you're addressing me, since I was the last poster and you didn't quote anybody in your post to clarify who you're addressing.
I'm not taunting you or being rude, I'm trying to help you see some hard truths. I did not insult you in any way, but I am genuinely curious as to what you think you can do to change your situation because I don't see an answer for you.6 -
Hey, here are some people trying to be nice to you and now you're calling them dicks. You're probably going to get blocked. Enjoy.4
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RickyCoogin wrote: »While it's nice of nutmeg to research my former posts, since she's obviously impartial to all this and in no way vindictive and going out of her way to discredit anyone, especially anyone with a mental disorder, I reiterate:
A lot of people are going to decide if they want to get to know you further based on their physical impression of you. I'm the same way...I wouldn't date someone I wasn't attracted to. The women into me stereotyped me as some big tough guy.
I have no dog in this. I'm trying to help you see that the way you perceive yourself and how you are judging and perceiving others is causing the issues you are having. I saw no place where you spoke of having a mental disorder. Others mention BDD, but you didn't address those comments, so I'm trying to not make assumptions regarding your state of mind. I have read none of your posts beyond this thread. I'm glad you appreciate that I have a good enough memory to recall what you have said in this thread (which is where I obtained the quote).
You didn't speak to my question regarding Buddhist teachings, but I do think that it would be worth your time to read about the four noble truths, if you haven't already. Particularly because you haven't found counseling to be helpful for you. Have you explored EMDR during any of these sessions? It can be an effective treatment as well as CBT.
Edited to remove a particularly. There was too many for one sentence.6
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