Metabolism help needed. $$$ money is on the line $$$
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rebeccatackett wrote: »rebeccatackett wrote: »Eating several small meals per day instead of one large meal will help the metabolism. If your body thinks it never gets food, it will hold on to what it gets when it finally gets it. Once it is used to being fed every couple of hours, it will burn it because it knows it will be fed in a couple of hours again. Also, if you go all day without eating, you will tend to overeat just because you haven't had anything all day. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day and can jumpstart your metabolism.
All myth.
All sound bites from common phrases passed around without a bit of science to back it up.
Sorry.
Nope, sorry. It worked for me!
If it worked it was because you maintained a calorie deficit. No other magical thing happens with your every two hour meal thing.8 -
rebeccatackett wrote: »rebeccatackett wrote: »Eating several small meals per day instead of one large meal will help the metabolism. If your body thinks it never gets food, it will hold on to what it gets when it finally gets it. Once it is used to being fed every couple of hours, it will burn it because it knows it will be fed in a couple of hours again. Also, if you go all day without eating, you will tend to overeat just because you haven't had anything all day. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day and can jumpstart your metabolism.
All myth.
All sound bites from common phrases passed around without a bit of science to back it up.
Sorry.
Nope, sorry. It worked for me!
If it helped YOU adhere to a plan and lose weight - then good for you.
But the reasons you gave for thinking it worked are found to be myths when actually researched. Can't get around those facts.
Most people not only don't realize the nature of a science experiment of 1, but don't even know how to setup testing differences in the first place.
Let alone what a body is doing.
Considering you listed almost every fallacy about eating schedules and amounts (missed the post workout one) - I'm glad wherever you heard the advice from convinced you.6 -
rebeccatackett wrote: »
Nope, sorry. It worked for me!
It worked for you because it helped you manage your hunger/satiety throughout the day. But to imply that it works for everyone is simply not true. With regard to the biological process of weight loss, nutrient and meal timing does not matter.
Plenty of people have just as much success (and prefer) eating three square meals per day or fasting intermittently. Different strokes for different folks.4 -
rebeccatackett wrote: »rebeccatackett wrote: »Eating several small meals per day instead of one large meal will help the metabolism. If your body thinks it never gets food, it will hold on to what it gets when it finally gets it. Once it is used to being fed every couple of hours, it will burn it because it knows it will be fed in a couple of hours again. Also, if you go all day without eating, you will tend to overeat just because you haven't had anything all day. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day and can jumpstart your metabolism.
All myth.
All sound bites from common phrases passed around without a bit of science to back it up.
Sorry.
Nope, sorry. It worked for me!
if it caused you to be in a deficit that is what made it work,doesnt matter how many times a day you eat or dont eat, a deficit is what caused the weight loss.breakfast doesnt jumpstart anything. your metabolism is always working. its not like a car battery that dies and needs jumped so your car can start.3 -
I agree with rebeccatackett. 5 or 6 small meals, eating every 2 1/2 to 3 hours does work.0
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Actually everything I posted can be backed up with a little research on WebMD and many other websites. We all have to do what works for our individual self. Rudeness because someone posts something that you don't agree with is ignorance and not helpful. Starvation works for some people but that doesn't mean it's healthy or preferred by someone else.
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I'd rather have 3 big meals than 6 little meals.8
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www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-boost-your-metabolism1
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rebeccatackett wrote: »www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-boost-your-metabolism
A WebMD slideshow is an acceptable source to back up your claim. Showing us a peer-reviewed scientific study
that supports your statement and maybe we'll be willing to listen.
(Hint: I've yet to see a peer-reviewd scientific study that supports your statement)2 -
I ate two meals a day and lost 70 pounds. Ten years ago. I'm still at that same weight and still eat twice a day.5
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Anecdotes aren't evidence. Peer reviewed clinical studies don't back your opinions and none of this is taught in physiology or biology. You've convinced yourself it works, but that's not actual evidence.rebeccatackett wrote: »rebeccatackett wrote: »Eating several small meals per day instead of one large meal will help the metabolism. If your body thinks it never gets food, it will hold on to what it gets when it finally gets it. Once it is used to being fed every couple of hours, it will burn it because it knows it will be fed in a couple of hours again. Also, if you go all day without eating, you will tend to overeat just because you haven't had anything all day. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day and can jumpstart your metabolism.
All myth.
All sound bites from common phrases passed around without a bit of science to back it up.
Sorry.
Nope, sorry. It worked for me!
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Ahh - the old problem of someone calling everything you burn in a day "metabolism" - when that is actually a specific term.
They are merely cowing to the faddish terms rather than trying to educate.
Basal and Resting metabolism (BMR, RMR) - is not the same thing as your body producing more heat because it's processing food you just ate (TEF - Thermal Effect of Food), nor being more active each day (NEAT - Non-Exercise Activity), nor exercise (EAT - Exercise Activity).
About the only thing in there truly raising the metabolism - is the recovery for repair after a good strong lifting workout that actually tears the body muscle down.
And even the cardio type they promote is merely as close to lifting as cardio can get you.
Even the water aspect is merely the effects of the water being drunk - which if that is thought of as raising metabolism - so should eating more calories daily which causes more processing to be done.1 -
Sorry, it doesn't speed up metabolism. May keep people from getting hungry, but that's not the same thing as raising metabolic rate.BlueHorse8 wrote: »I agree with rebeccatackett. 5 or 6 small meals, eating every 2 1/2 to 3 hours does work.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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It's not rude if we're refuting actual misinformation. What you BELIEVE isn't the same as what is actually factual.rebeccatackett wrote: »Actually everything I posted can be backed up with a little research on WebMD and many other websites. We all have to do what works for our individual self. Rudeness because someone posts something that you don't agree with is ignorance and not helpful. Starvation works for some people but that doesn't mean it's healthy or preferred by someone else.
If you're speaking of raising someone's metabolic rate, that's the rate that more energy is used at rest. Eating several meals DOESN'T do this. Gaining weight can and adding lean muscle can as well as going from sedentary to being physically active. Don't get angry because what you believe to be true actually isn't backed by science.
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IDEA Fitness member
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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rebeccatackett wrote: »rebeccatackett wrote: »Eating several small meals per day instead of one large meal will help the metabolism. If your body thinks it never gets food, it will hold on to what it gets when it finally gets it. Once it is used to being fed every couple of hours, it will burn it because it knows it will be fed in a couple of hours again. Also, if you go all day without eating, you will tend to overeat just because you haven't had anything all day. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day and can jumpstart your metabolism.
All myth.
All sound bites from common phrases passed around without a bit of science to back it up.
Sorry.
Nope, sorry. It worked for me!
No, what worked for you is eating at a calorie deficit. If you ate that same deficit in one or nine meal you would lose the same amount of weight. What meal timing may help is compliance to your calorie deficit. Notice, thought, I say "may". For many people the exact opposite is the case when eating many small meals. They are constantly hungry, never satisfied, and more likely to binge. You are one of those who benefit with compliance by eating many small meals, but there has been more than enough research on whether there is any metabolic change by eating more or less frequently and all the studies show the same thing, it makes no difference.
The take away is that for weight loss you need to find the pattern of eating that helps you as an individual stick to your calorie goal whether that be 5 meals, 3 meals, or 1-2 meals a day.8 -
I can eat breakfast and skip all snacks and lunch and eat a larger dinner or I can eat all 3 meals and several snacks a day.I lose the same because Im in a deficit.I also do IF most of the time and weight loss is still the same as it was. I havent noticed anything any different with the different way of eating. so if it worked that way for everyone it would work for me. it hasnt.0
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OP, burn more calories with longer duration, higher intensity and focusing on lifts that use the largest muscles of your body.
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Don't rush things because of that $100.think of the reason why you took this journey.$100 won't be even enough if something happens to you..
You said your doing for yourself and your family, you're wrong man you're doing for your pride as a man that won't accept defeat for just a $100 dollars..
If you really wanna win that $100 dollars bet get a liposuction I'm just saying..0 -
rebeccatackett wrote: »Actually everything I posted can be backed up with a little research on WebMD and many other websites. We all have to do what works for our individual self. Rudeness because someone posts something that you don't agree with is ignorance and not helpful. Starvation works for some people but that doesn't mean it's healthy or preferred by someone else.
Where does eating 2 - 3 meals a day equate to starving? Today I'm eating over 2000 cals, with 2 meals and dessert. Definitely not starving. A whole lot more satisfied than if I ate 6 meals a day though, and still achieving my goals.6 -
try paleo...........I have been very successful with paleo, I used to wt 322. I find Paleo has a ton of variety never get bored. Food is 80% and workout is 20% Working out is very important part of the journey.0
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BlueHorse8 wrote: »I agree with rebeccatackett. 5 or 6 small meals, eating every 2 1/2 to 3 hours does work.
Sure it works. ANY eating pattern works as long as you maintain a calorie deficit. The question is whether or not it's best for satiety and adherence in any given person, because there's no magic to it of any kind. 5 or 6 small meals leaves me constantly hungry and unsatisfied, so I'll tend to not stick to it because I'm miserable all the time. All those little meals are just a tease. I'm much more satisfied with 2-3 larger meals a day - usually a medium-sized late breakfast/early lunch and the majority of my calories reserved for dinner.
OP, you've gotten some good advice and a lot of woo so far. There's no (legal) way to speed up your metabolism and meal timing is all but completely irrelevant in your situation. To consolidate the best advice you've gotten thus far and add my own .02:
1) Set a reasonable caloric deficit and stick to it. No exceptions. When/how often you eat doesn't matter - eat in whatever pattern works best for you. Your digestive system works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
2) Strive for a healthy, well-balanced diet and attain that however you choose - high carb, low carb, no carb, paleo, vegetarian/vegan, IIFYM, whatever works best for you. No diet/way of eating holds any magic metabolic advantage. Calories are king, period. There's no magic macro composition that will speed up fat loss.
3) Use a food scale and weigh ALL solids. Use measuring spoons/cups for liquids. Log everything that goes in your mouth - the teaspoon of oil you cooked your eggs in, the little tastes/bites you take of things, your breath mints, the sip you took of somebody's soda, the creamer in your coffee - everything. If you bite it, you write it.
4) Drink enough water that your pee is anywhere from clear to pale straw colored - as long as you're seeing that, you're adequately hydrated.
5) Find some kind of exercise you enjoy and do it on a regular basis.
6) Weigh yourself daily/weekly (daily is my preference) and use a trend analysis tool such as Happy Scale (iOS), Libra (Android) or Trendweight (web) to look at overall trends. And realize that weight loss is not a linear process and you won't always lose week after week, month after month, at the same rate. There will be plateaus and whooshes, which is why it's good to look at overall trends.
7) Along with #6 - when you weigh, do it at the same time, under the same conditions, wearing the same clothes (or lack thereof), on the same scale in the same place. I prefer weighing daily, right when I get out of bed in the morning, naked, after going pee and before eating/drinking anything.
8) Don't even think about weight loss "supplements" - they're all worthless scams and the only place you'll lose weight is in your wallet. The diet supplement industry is a multi-billion dollar fraud machine that preys upon the uneducated and the desperate. Don't fall for it. If any of them actually worked, we wouldn't have the huge number of obese people we have in society today.10 -
Wow. Learning a lot here. Let me be clear. Not using the 100 bucks to put myself in a bad position. 100 bucks is a reminder that the other guy might be working out when i have Netflix on. I'm in this for the long haul. As you all have mentioned there are a lot of myths out there that i obviously did not know about and started this thread. Im focused on maintaining calorie deficit and exercising not doing anything over the top and crazy. Thanks for all your input.5
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Wow. Learning a lot here. Let me be clear. Not using the 100 bucks to put myself in a bad position. 100 bucks is a reminder that the other guy might be working out when i have Netflix on. I'm in this for the long haul. As you all have mentioned there are a lot of myths out there that i obviously did not know about and started this thread. Im focused on maintaining calorie deficit and exercising not doing anything over the top and crazy. Thanks for all your input.
why worry about what the other guy is doing? worry about what YOU are doing. work out for YOU not because someone else is.when you start comparing yourself to others it puts you in a bad place.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Wow. Learning a lot here. Let me be clear. Not using the 100 bucks to put myself in a bad position. 100 bucks is a reminder that the other guy might be working out when i have Netflix on. I'm in this for the long haul. As you all have mentioned there are a lot of myths out there that i obviously did not know about and started this thread. Im focused on maintaining calorie deficit and exercising not doing anything over the top and crazy. Thanks for all your input.
why worry about what the other guy is doing? worry about what YOU are doing. work out for YOU not because someone else is.when you start comparing yourself to others it puts you in a bad place.
There's a difference between comparing yourself to someone else and a friendly competition. And I'm pretty sure OP's bet is about the latter.4 -
That's how a friendly competition works. You have to put forth an effort to beat the other guy. Please do not read into to far. Not doing anything crazy for the 100 bucks. Was just something we put on the line to back up the accountability since we won't see each other for 2 months and live a couple hours away from each other. This thread is turning into the exact reason why i am not on FB twitter IG etc. Was just looking for some advise on something i heard about speeding up your metabolism. Im dropping that idea and letting my body burn fat the way it wants to. As long as i burn more calories than im eating there will be a deficit and there will be weight loss.9
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That's how a friendly competition works. You have to put forth an effort to beat the other guy. Please do not read into to far. Not doing anything crazy for the 100 bucks. Was just something we put on the line to back up the accountability since we won't see each other for 2 months and live a couple hours away from each other. This thread is turning into the exact reason why i am not on FB twitter IG etc. Was just looking for some advise on something i heard about speeding up your metabolism. Im dropping that idea and letting my body burn fat the way it wants to. As long as i burn more calories than im eating there will be a deficit and there will be weight loss.
Is your friend on MFP? No? My money is on you. Let us know how you do.7 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Wow. Learning a lot here. Let me be clear. Not using the 100 bucks to put myself in a bad position. 100 bucks is a reminder that the other guy might be working out when i have Netflix on. I'm in this for the long haul. As you all have mentioned there are a lot of myths out there that i obviously did not know about and started this thread. Im focused on maintaining calorie deficit and exercising not doing anything over the top and crazy. Thanks for all your input.
why worry about what the other guy is doing? worry about what YOU are doing. work out for YOU not because someone else is.when you start comparing yourself to others it puts you in a bad place.
Because competition is not always a bad thing. It fits well with many people, in particular many men.2
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