Crystal light or diet soda?
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
Well, my organic chemistry teacher kept talking about "yeasty beastys" so maybe you have those fauna????
Yeast is considered flora not fauna
Yeast is a fungus so is neither. I was making a funny.4 -
im grateful for this thread iv been drinking pop all day trying to rehydrate hadnt realized it wasnt diet pop until i finished half my 2L LOL *kitten* me.1
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Re the gut flora.. Here are a couple of links, take them or leave them, I have no horse in this race
http://www.drperlmutter.com/how-sugar-free-spells-danger/?utm_source=DrPerlmutter.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=95b4cd8f89-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_02_05&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e059546f6-95b4cd8f89-99343905&mc_cid=95b4cd8f89&mc_eid=d953625a6e
https://chriskresser.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-wreak-havoc-on-your-gut/?utm_source=ChrisKresser.com&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e7d56abf8a-ee9c9ca3ac-95902905&utm_content&utm_campaign=ee9c9ca3ac-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_09&mc_cid=ee9c9ca3ac&mc_eid=56daae840f0 -
Lost over eighty pounds and I never gave up my diet soda. Not before or since. I am a Type 2 in remission.
Every diabetic working on control is very sensitive to what foods raise their sugar levels and which don't. Diet soda is a zero. Rice on the other hand....2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
It was my favorite part of the thread.
OP, drink whichever you prefer.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
How did I miss this?
If there's fauna in my gut, I have bigger problems than wondering about what I'm drinking.
Well, my organic chemistry teacher kept talking about "yeasty beastys" so maybe you have those fauna????
I'm getting images of the critters from Where the Wild Things Are larking about in my innards.5 -
Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Dead wrong2 -
chrismellor01 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »chrismellor01 wrote: »Jhenryesq88310 wrote: »Neither. Both trick your body's insulin response and you end up storing weight. Yes diet drinks make you gain weight. Drink water. Add lemon or cucumber if you don't like the taste.
Yup - agreed - lots of evidence (i.e. real scientific papers) on this. Sweeteners (depending on which ones) do affect insulin levels. The others just keep you used to wanting sweet things (psychological) and make it that much harder...
As suggested above - water is best and if you need something in it - a few slices of fruit
And now let the flame wars begin.
There is no research showing this!
You cannot gain fat without a calorie surplus.
You are correct - you cannot gain fat without calorie surplus (in general). No discussion there...
Where there is confusion is that artificial sweeteners affect insulin levels. There is a mechanism that insulin resistance (type 2) is negatively affected by sweeteners and that puts weight on.
There is also evidence that the flora and fauna of your gut has a large roll to play in metabolism. There is evidence that sweeteners affect the flora/fauna in your gut. This could have a direct reflection on weight gain etc.
The problem is, we just don't know enough about it all and there is contradictory evidence at times.
It's up to the reader to make their own mind up.
So basically it does not matter if you are in a calorie deficit which is what everyone is saying...1 -
If I drink water and want flavor I will add crystal light in my water bottle. Their little packets. They don't have sugar in them and their only 5 calories each. So not bad at all. Nothing is wrong with diet soda or crystal light. Just drink what u like2
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