If lifting is the way to get that 'toned' look, then why...?
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Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I've been in and out of gyms most of my life and I've seen both men and women make some really incredible progress over the course of several months...I have yet to see anyone, male or female obtain an elite physique in a matter of months.
No one was suggesting the goal was an elite shredded stage ready physique. Just a woman going from image #3 to #2 on the BuiltLean Chart.
Not talking about show ready...#2 on that chart is still a pretty elite fitness physique...besides, it's not like #3 hasn't been putting some time in the gym either...that's a pretty rockin' physique as well.
You're talking about basically going from zero to looking like you've been training in one way or the other for years in a matter of months, and I've never seen that happen...ever.
Right now, i look like #3 and would like to be a #2. I'm physically fit and have been exercising consistently for 2 years and lost excess body fat but haven't done any serious resistance training so I'm a newbie. I don't see what the fuss is about given the difference between the 2 looks is not so drastic as to be unachievable in 6 months.
All I'm hearing is women making excuses like
...it's really complicated and really really hard...
...most people are doing it wrong...
...I don't know anyone who's ever done it...
...the average woman doesn't look like #2...so what? Yeah, 70% of US is obese or overweight, so no surprises there.
None of these excuses translate to "it can't be done".
Interesting...a lot of these women commenting are pretty into lifting, some of them competitively...I don't think they're making excuses. Many of the people commenting actually have quite a bit of experience (both men and women).
Also, you're not coming from basically nothing (as it sounds like the OP is)...while you may not have been lifting seriously, you've still been involved in fitness for a couple of years...I'm sure your body has gone through physiological changes during that time...that's a little different from the OP describing herself as basically skinny with minimal muscle mass and from the sounds of it, not much training background. You've already been working on your body as a derivative of your fitness...for two years.
I agree that general fitness so far is a plus but in terms of muscle gaining potential and history of mostly cardio (hiking, cycling), I'm not seeing how I'm anything but a beginner.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/beginner-intermediate-advanced/
"Beginners (aka newbies, newbs, noobs, etc.) are people who are either completely new or at least somewhat new to consistent intelligent weight training.
Exactly what that means will vary slightly depending on who you ask, but in my opinion, I’d consider a beginner to be anyone who has been weight training for LESS than 6 months.
And again, that is 6 consistent months of intelligent weight training."
If you look like #3 in the chart, you have a relatively high amount of muscle mass with visible abs...more so than average...you would obviously look much different in 6 months of training than someone who's skinny and coming from nothing in the muscle mass department. You would have a substantial base to start with...if indeed you look like #3.
Huh? #3 doesn't have visible abs! She just has the lines on the side, like me.
Both #3 & #6 have lines on an area. #3 has muscle. #6 has fat delineation. Your stomach lines don't mean you are in#3 territory. #3's right forearm is, IMO, the arm of a woman who has been lifting long enough to have a good muscle base.
LOL really? They're approximations not replicas!
I have no idea what you are talking about re: approximations/replicas. I am talking about the photos of women, not the drawings.
jeezus! Nobody cares about the silly drawings. Anyone can look at that BuiltLean chart and decide which image closely approximates their overall look. It's that simple ffs!
I mean those photos can give you an idea but they are pretty vague because they don't include the lower body and everyone carries weight differently etc.
Just take measurements, progress photos, if you feel ready to add more mass then go for it. I maybe wouldn't bulk if you still had significant fat especially around the waist, but it doesn't sound like that is the case.
Man tbh I don't even know my BF%, I always just kind of guestimate and stop bulking when I feel too big and stop cutting when I feel too lean
Yeah, don't know why she's getting hung up on them and scrutinizing forearms and whatnot.
For tracking body fat, the exact % doesn't matter as much as that you're using the same method and comparing apples to apples to monitor the trend. When I started in the 150s, I was just using the Navy method of body fat% by measuring just waist hips and neck and it served its purpose.
This time, I'll use a DEXA scan coz I'm curious to see a more accurate measurement of LBM and fat mass and the effect of starting a proper resistance training program. Plus I want to see other stuff like bone density.0 -
Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I've been in and out of gyms most of my life and I've seen both men and women make some really incredible progress over the course of several months...I have yet to see anyone, male or female obtain an elite physique in a matter of months.
No one was suggesting the goal was an elite shredded stage ready physique. Just a woman going from image #3 to #2 on the BuiltLean Chart.
Not talking about show ready...#2 on that chart is still a pretty elite fitness physique...besides, it's not like #3 hasn't been putting some time in the gym either...that's a pretty rockin' physique as well.
You're talking about basically going from zero to looking like you've been training in one way or the other for years in a matter of months, and I've never seen that happen...ever.
Right now, i look like #3 and would like to be a #2. I'm physically fit and have been exercising consistently for 2 years and lost excess body fat but haven't done any serious resistance training so I'm a newbie. I don't see what the fuss is about given the difference between the 2 looks is not so drastic as to be unachievable in 6 months.
All I'm hearing is women making excuses like
...it's really complicated and really really hard...
...most people are doing it wrong...
...I don't know anyone who's ever done it...
...the average woman doesn't look like #2...so what? Yeah, 70% of US is obese or overweight, so no surprises there.
None of these excuses translate to "it can't be done".
Interesting...a lot of these women commenting are pretty into lifting, some of them competitively...I don't think they're making excuses. Many of the people commenting actually have quite a bit of experience (both men and women).
Also, you're not coming from basically nothing (as it sounds like the OP is)...while you may not have been lifting seriously, you've still been involved in fitness for a couple of years...I'm sure your body has gone through physiological changes during that time...that's a little different from the OP describing herself as basically skinny with minimal muscle mass and from the sounds of it, not much training background. You've already been working on your body as a derivative of your fitness...for two years.
I agree that general fitness so far is a plus but in terms of muscle gaining potential and history of mostly cardio (hiking, cycling), I'm not seeing how I'm anything but a beginner.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/beginner-intermediate-advanced/
"Beginners (aka newbies, newbs, noobs, etc.) are people who are either completely new or at least somewhat new to consistent intelligent weight training.
Exactly what that means will vary slightly depending on who you ask, but in my opinion, I’d consider a beginner to be anyone who has been weight training for LESS than 6 months.
And again, that is 6 consistent months of intelligent weight training."
If you look like #3 in the chart, you have a relatively high amount of muscle mass with visible abs...more so than average...you would obviously look much different in 6 months of training than someone who's skinny and coming from nothing in the muscle mass department. You would have a substantial base to start with...if indeed you look like #3.
Huh? #3 doesn't have visible abs! She just has the lines on the side, like me.
Both #3 & #6 have lines on an area. #3 has muscle. #6 has fat delineation. Your stomach lines don't mean you are in#3 territory. #3's right forearm is, IMO, the arm of a woman who has been lifting long enough to have a good muscle base.
LOL really? They're approximations not replicas!
I have no idea what you are talking about re: approximations/replicas. I am talking about the photos of women, not the drawings.
jeezus! Nobody cares about the silly drawings. Anyone can look at that BuiltLean chart and decide which image closely approximates their overall look. It's that simple ffs!
I mean those photos can give you an idea but they are pretty vague because they don't include the lower body and everyone carries weight differently etc.
Just take measurements, progress photos, if you feel ready to add more mass then go for it. I maybe wouldn't bulk if you still had significant fat especially around the waist, but it doesn't sound like that is the case.
Man tbh I don't even know my BF%, I always just kind of guestimate and stop bulking when I feel too big and stop cutting when I feel too lean
Yeah, don't know why she's getting hung up on them and scrutinizing forearms and whatnot.
For tracking body fat, the exact % doesn't matter as much as that you're using the same method and comparing apples to apples to monitor the trend. When I started in the 150s, I was just using the Navy method of body fat% by measuring just waist hips and neck and it served its purpose.
This time, I'll use a DEXA scan coz I'm curious to see a more accurate measurement of LBM and fat mass and the effect of starting a proper resistance training program. Plus I want to see other stuff like bone density.
I'm was trying to clarify what it is you are talking about and agreeing with @cwolfman13 that the picture you claim represents your current state is one of a woman with a solid muscle base. From your description, you have not been resistance training either at all or else not for long and it would be unusual for you to have a similar build. If you do, fantastic. Unusual but fantastic.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Good night and good luck.0 -
keep in mind...
Terms like tight, toned, lean, big, bulging... those are all subjective. What you think of as big vs toned vs whatever else may or may not be what someone else means when then use those same terms. So when someone says that "____ is the best way to get big", or "to tone up you should _______"... make sure you're both talking about the same thing.
Agreed. I have a picture in mind of what I think that people who want to be "toned" are thinking about. But it doesn't necessarily match what the next person might think it is.
Same goes for bulky. People will say "women can't get bulky" because they think of this as bulky but often the woman who is saying she doesn't want to be bulky is thinking of this as bulky. There's this image floating around (which I cannot find now) that says something like "what women think lifting weights will do vs what it actually does" and I think it's meant to reassure women that lifting won't make them "bulky" but even the non-bulky woman has too much muscle in a lot of women's eyes.
Anyway, all of these terms are subjective as said above.
Yes, that one!
While I would be happy to have the muscle mass of the women on the right, not all women would want even that amount. To them, that could be too bulky.
You have to put in quite a bit of work (and shed a lot of body fat) to look like the women on the right. Unless you are going hardcore (and you can stop long before you get to that point) he look you get from lifting will probably be a lot more subtle than that. And if your genetics are like mine, you get a "dancer body" from heavy lifting. It won't hurt to try, OP!
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Yeah I think I'm going to try lifting out. I think I get it now; you all explained pretty well!4
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