What has taken over MFP more Keto Threads or ACV Threads
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Isn't it true for those of us older folks, we all did LC growing up. Not that it was called LC,
I'm pretty old (47), and I did not low carb, and my parents and grandparents certainly did not. (I hated bread and cereal as a kid -- I was an annoying child -- and the older folks all thought that was weird.)I can remember while loving sweets, still only occasionally getting something sweet, sweets were a rare treat. We, just as a normal part of life, ate one serving during meals. . . . .yes, the holidays were more like many ppl eat everyday today.
We ate the kind of dinner I do (often) now: meat/fish, starch (often potato), and vegetables. Servings weren't crazy, but I don't think everyone eats crazy servings now, when eating at home. Lunches (for people other than me) were often sandwiches. Breakfast was often oatmeal (plain for us, but the flavored kind existed and it was common to put fruit in it) or, for the kids (other than me) and also for my parents and grandfather, cold cereal was common. For the older people not with lots of sugar (but that did not make it low carb by any stretch of the imagination), but they also did add fruit. My mom baked cookies not all that uncommonly, and so did my grandmother. On weekends we'd sometimes have bacon and eggs for breakfast, but also my dad would sometimes do pancakes or waffles or french toast (he only really grilled and cooked carby breakfast things, otherwise the women/girls did the cooking).
Holiday meals were quite a bit different from regular meals, but so are holiday meals today.Does anyone else recall that being called greedy or a glutton wasn't bad manners and PC didn't exist?
PC didn't exist as a thing that people said, but politeness was still a huge thing to my parents and I would have been punished if I'd called someone greedy or a glutton.
Also, overeating and low carb aren't the same thing.I know younger ppl here have been told this and may not want to read it again but in many of our entire schools for k-8 there was perhaps, one obese boy or girl and in high school..perhaps 2 or 3....total.
Yeah, same here, but not because we didn't eat carbs.
My material grandfather, who grew up on a farm and was a farmer for much of his life (born in 1919), ate more bread and potatoes than anyone I've known. He loved fruit and veg too, and had a huge sweet tooth (he claimed he got it from his Swedish mother), and used to drink sugary tea. (I was a weird kid and hated sweetened beverages even back then.)
Same here. Though I am a bit younger than is possibly being referenced. But as a kid and the generations above, meat and two veg was staple, with one of those veg generally being potato. Or my mums famous curry sausage pasta (sounds horrendous, was my actual fave). And it was cereal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch.
Because starches are cheap and filling generally, of course those in the past used them as a main dietary staple. To say most people were naturally low carb seems ridiculous to me.
Oh and sweets were a treat as was eating out or take away. However, we always had juice (soda) on tap practically because we had juice trucks when I was a kid in Scotland, literally took your empty glass bottles and provided you with refills. Cream soda was my personal favourite, cream soda float being off the charts.
The big difference was lifestyle I'd say. Just naturally more incidentally active.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »asilmegan34 wrote: »Moderate carb intake is different than the Keto fad, yes? For example, I am trying to keep my macros at 25% carbs, 40% fat and 35% protein.
Keto is a lot higher fat than that.
If I tried to eat keto it would last one day. I'd never be able to leave the bathroom after that.
This is a common contention in the Keto arena, and one that I frankly find preposterous. I am in nutritional ketosis when running RFL, and my fat intake is near zero, other than fish oil caps. All the while I am hitting 250-300g of protein per day, mostly from chicken breast, which is able to cause a relatively high insulin response all on it's own. The "zomg protonz is too high, needs 80% fat" zealots make me want to throw a 45 at their emaciated *kitten*.
There will be people swearing up and down you couldn't be in ketosis with that protein intake.
I've had people in the past tell me I couldn't have been in ketosis when I did Atkins because my protein intake was too high. This was after a discussion about what I ate and how I watched my carbs like a hawk but not my calories and gained weight.0 -
Isn't it true for those of us older folks, we all did LC growing up. Not that it was called LC,
I can remember while loving sweets, still only occasionally getting something sweet, sweets were a rare treat. We, just as a normal part of life, ate one serving during meals. . . . .yes, the holidays were more like many ppl eat everyday today.
Does anyone else recall that being called greedy or a glutton wasn't bad manners and PC didn't exist?
I know younger ppl here have been told this and may not want to read it again but in many of our entire schools for k-8 there was perhaps, one obese boy or girl and in high school..perhaps 2 or 3....total.
Is it any wonder that ppl are going for ACV or Keto--vegetables & meat, what's so bad about that with them drizzled in delicious olive oil?
I'm 54, I don't recall doing LC growing up.
Typical breakfasts were either Cream of Wheat or Oatmeal in the winter with fruit, and something like toast or an English muffin with fruit in the summer. On weekends we'd have pancakes or French Toast.
Lunches were almost always sandwiches, with a later snack of fruit. Occasionally during the summer we were allowed to get something from the ice cream truck when it came around.
Dinners were usually meat, starch (potatoes or rice) and veg. We usually had a small portioned dessert, mostly something like a small serving of pudding or jello, or 2-3 cookies.
I was a very thin child until I hit puberty. Then I was one of the two heavy kids in the class. Back then, we didn't have political correctness, but as lemurcat stated, people did have manners.
I just find it frankly odd that you think people never used to eat carbohydrates and they... what? Suddenly started to and that's why we now have an obesity problem?8 -
I ate high carb as a kid. Cereal for breakfast, with a glass of juice. Lunch was a sandwich with an apple, and often another juice. Dinner was meat starch and vegetable, with a glass of juice or powdered skim milk. Snacks were fruit, raw vegetables (more common during the day or before dinner) and cookies.
I would like to add that I hope people would not hold LCHF misinformation against the diet or all those who use it. Inaccurate info is just that and does not mean the diet, or certain foods, are bad... or excessively good.2 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
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I ate high carb as a kid. Cereal for breakfast, with a glass of juice. Lunch was a sandwich with an apple, and often another juice. Dinner was meat starch and vegetable, with a glass of juice or powdered skim milk. Snacks were fruit, raw vegetables (more common during the day or before dinner) and cookies.
I would like to add that I hope people would not hold LCHF misinformation against the diet or all those who use it. Inaccurate info is just that and does not mean the diet, or certain foods, are bad... or excessively good.
You're consistently a thoughtful advocate for lchf...I couldn't do it, but I respect it as a tool in the general diet toolbox because I've learned from you and some of the other posters.2 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I noticed no threads about how severe calorie deficits squelch libido.
It comes up now and again, but doesn't seem to last long.9 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Keto.
We actually saw this coming in the LCD community when Oz started talking about it last year.
And you didn't run a mile?0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Keto.
We actually saw this coming in the LCD community when Oz started talking about it last year.
And you didn't run a mile?
Just because a charlatan latches onto an idea, doesn't mean you abandon it, if it's working for you. If, against all odds, Oz came out tomorrow and started advocating for a calorie controlled whole food diet, I'd hardly be willing to suddenly switch to a cookies and potato chip intake.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Keto.
We actually saw this coming in the LCD community when Oz started talking about it last year.
And you didn't run a mile?
Just because a charlatan latches onto an idea, doesn't mean you abandon it, if it's working for you. If, against all odds, Oz came out tomorrow and started advocating for a calorie controlled whole food diet, I'd hardly be willing to suddenly switch to a cookies and potato chip intake.
True. However a calorie-controlled diet doesn't make any extraordinary claims like Keto and Dr Oz does.1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I noticed no threads about how severe calorie deficits squelch libido.
It comes up now and again, but doesn't seem to last long.
I see what you did there.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Keto.
We actually saw this coming in the LCD community when Oz started talking about it last year.
And you didn't run a mile?
Just because a charlatan latches onto an idea, doesn't mean you abandon it, if it's working for you. If, against all odds, Oz came out tomorrow and started advocating for a calorie controlled whole food diet, I'd hardly be willing to suddenly switch to a cookies and potato chip intake.
True. However a calorie-controlled diet doesn't make any extraordinary claims like Keto and Dr Oz does.
Ehh, most of the extraordinary claims about keto come from a very specific (but loud) few people, and their "true believers". I honestly don't believe the woo based stuff is as widely believed as it is yelled through a bullhorn by a select few.
It's easy to speak for the silent majority, as they rarely object to the words put in their mouths.4 -
@LINIAIsn't it true for those of us older folks, we all did LC growing up. Not that it was called LC,
I can remember while loving sweets, still only occasionally getting something sweet, sweets were a rare treat. We, just as a normal part of life, ate one serving during meals. . . . .yes, the holidays were more like many ppl eat everyday today.
Does anyone else recall that being called greedy or a glutton wasn't bad manners and PC didn't exist?
I know younger ppl here have been told this and may not want to read it again but in many of our entire schools for k-8 there was perhaps, one obese boy or girl and in high school..perhaps 2 or 3....total.
Is it any wonder that ppl are going for ACV or Keto--vegetables & meat, what's so bad about that with them drizzled in delicious olive oil?
I don't know your age or where you grew up but the bold is a whole lot of nope in my experience.
We typically ate cereal or toast for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch and just about every family meal included a good portion of starchy carbs (inexpensive, filling, tasty & nutritious) along with other vegetables.
For me the biggest contrast between the 60's/70's and now is the shear volume of snacking people do and the lack of activity.
We had very few snacks at home (agree they were a treat not routine) and it was normal to just have three meals a day with no extras. If you wanted a snack you walked to the shop and bought one with your pocket money (just the one!) - it simply wasn't tucked away in a cupboard at home in easy reach. The shear amount of grazing you see now is relatively new, at least in the UK.
We also all routinely walked a lot (to school or to work) and play was typically outside and active not indoors and passive like seems to be the norm now.
Also agree about how few children were obese back then - there was one in my primary school in my age group, secondary school maybe 2 out of 90.
I currently live near two schools with tiny catchment areas (one mile radius) and the traffic is horrendous with parents dropping off and picking up their children. That would have been an exception for me to get a lift to school - I was walking 3 miles at age eleven. We were a one car family and it wasn't even used daily.
So we ate less and moved more back then - so not surprising we weren't so fat as the generations growing up now.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Keto.
We actually saw this coming in the LCD community when Oz started talking about it last year.
And you didn't run a mile?
Just because a charlatan latches onto an idea, doesn't mean you abandon it, if it's working for you. If, against all odds, Oz came out tomorrow and started advocating for a calorie controlled whole food diet, I'd hardly be willing to suddenly switch to a cookies and potato chip intake.
True. However a calorie-controlled diet doesn't make any extraordinary claims like Keto and Dr Oz does.
Ehh, most of the extraordinary claims about keto come from a very specific (but loud) few people, and their "true believers". I honestly don't believe the woo based stuff is as widely believed as it is yelled through a bullhorn by a select few.
It's easy to speak for the silent majority, as they rarely object to the words put in their mouths.
Yeah, I think it's less common from more knowledgeable and experienced people who choose the diet for personal reasons or because they really enjoy eating that way or find it makes a huge difference to their personal hunger or cravings.
Most people I've known off line who did keto-like diets (Atkins, back in the day, Taubes followers now) were really into the magical properties and really into the idea that you could eat supposedly bad for you foods (which I eat anyway -- never gave up steak or cheese and don't find it hard to fit in), and few veg (I know that's not actually what Atkins recommends), and lose, at supposedly unlimited calories (but they cut calories way back by cutting out the fat/carb main suppliers of them in their diets). All of the ones I am thinking of didn't last on it long, though.0 -
@LINIAIsn't it true for those of us older folks, we all did LC growing up. Not that it was called LC,
I can remember while loving sweets, still only occasionally getting something sweet, sweets were a rare treat. We, just as a normal part of life, ate one serving during meals. . . . .yes, the holidays were more like many ppl eat everyday today.
Does anyone else recall that being called greedy or a glutton wasn't bad manners and PC didn't exist?
I know younger ppl here have been told this and may not want to read it again but in many of our entire schools for k-8 there was perhaps, one obese boy or girl and in high school..perhaps 2 or 3....total.
Is it any wonder that ppl are going for ACV or Keto--vegetables & meat, what's so bad about that with them drizzled in delicious olive oil?
I don't know your age or where you grew up but the bold is a whole lot of nope in my experience.
We typically ate cereal or toast for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch and just about every family meal included a good portion of starchy carbs (inexpensive, filling, tasty & nutritious) along with other vegetables.
For me the biggest contrast between the 60's/70's and now is the shear volume of snacking people do and the lack of activity.
We had very few snacks at home (agree they were a treat not routine) and it was normal to just have three meals a day with no extras. If you wanted a snack you walked to the shop and bought one with your pocket money (just the one!) - it simply wasn't tucked away in a cupboard at home in easy reach. The shear amount of grazing you see now is relatively new, at least in the UK.
We also all routinely walked a lot (to school or to work) and play was typically outside and active not indoors and passive like seems to be the norm now.
Also agree about how few children were obese back then - there was one in my primary school in my age group, secondary school maybe 2 out of 90.
I currently live near two schools with tiny catchment areas (one mile radius) and the traffic is horrendous with parents dropping off and picking up their children. That would have been an exception for me to get a lift to school - I was walking 3 miles at age eleven. We were a one car family and it wasn't even used daily.
So we ate less and moved more back then - so not surprising we weren't so fat as the generations growing up now.
This is exactly what I see now vs. then (except that kids in my neighborhood who go to the neighborhood school do walk. Lots of kids here go to schools much farther away from where they live, though, and so take public transportation or a bus or get a ride from parents).1 -
Isn't it true for those of us older folks, we all did LC growing up. Not that it was called LC,
I can remember while loving sweets, still only occasionally getting something sweet, sweets were a rare treat. We, just as a normal part of life, ate one serving during meals. . . . .yes, the holidays were more like many ppl eat everyday today.
Does anyone else recall that being called greedy or a glutton wasn't bad manners and PC didn't exist?
I know younger ppl here have been told this and may not want to read it again but in many of our entire schools for k-8 there was perhaps, one obese boy or girl and in high school..perhaps 2 or 3....total.
Is it any wonder that ppl are going for ACV or Keto--vegetables & meat, what's so bad about that with them drizzled in delicious olive oil?
I guess I'm old enough to be considered part of "us older folks" (I'll be 55 in a few months), and the diet I grew up on was nowhere even remotely near low-carb. We drank lots of full sugar sodas, ate candy/sweets/pie/cakes/etc. on a regular basis, mom cooked a lot of "comfort food" meals which were high in carbs, etc. Thinking back on all the other kids I grew up with, I can't think of any of them who ate a diet anywhere near to low-carb either.
My pre-teen and teenage years were all in the '60s and '70s, and fat kids were nowhere near the rarity that some purport them to be - and I grew up in Southern California. Sure, obesity didn't exist on the scale/magnitude it does today, but fat people/kids certainly weren't rare unicorns. Revisionist history to fit agendas is revisionist.4 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
I'll believe that when I see somebody go face first into a bag of sugar to get their fix. Otherwise I call BS.
I'll believe it when someone turns to prostitution to get their sugar fix.2 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
I'll believe that when I see somebody go face first into a bag of sugar to get their fix. Otherwise I call BS.
I'll believe it when someone turns to prostitution to get their sugar fix.
Hmm. There was a time when I'd do anything for a Snickers bar. At least it had nuts in it.1 -
I had no cookies today.
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
I'll believe that when I see somebody go face first into a bag of sugar to get their fix. Otherwise I call BS.
I'll believe it when someone turns to prostitution to get their sugar fix.
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
I'll believe that when I see somebody go face first into a bag of sugar to get their fix. Otherwise I call BS.
I'll believe it when someone turns to prostitution to get their sugar fix.
I'd give it a safe home in my freezer until I had the calories to enjoy it. Or, if you mean, 'what would I do to GET one' as opposed to what would I do 'for' it... eh. Pay for it, I guess. Despite the ad slogan, this isn't my ice cream treat of choice.
This is:
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There seems to have been a lot of "what time is too late to eat type" threads lately too.2
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keto probably wins out of the two, but
there are still lots of the following threads
Back at it again
not losing on 1200 diet
find it hard to eat 12001 -
Being fair, apple cider vinegar is m a g i c a l.
Not because it's some elixir that'll make you lose weight, but because in my not-so-professional opinion, it's the best vinegar for a vinaigrette. It's tart, but not too tart. Sweet, but not too sweet. Not as expensive as most balsamics. Not quite as tannin-y as red wine vinegar. All of these "ACV for X or Y or Z" threads have me soured (badumtss) on seeing the acronym ACV.
I don't even click threads with keto in the name.4 -
yellingkimber wrote: »Being fair, apple cider vinegar is m a g i c a l.
Not because it's some elixir that'll make you lose weight, but because in my not-so-professional opinion, it's the best vinegar for a vinaigrette. It's tart, but not too tart. Sweet, but not too sweet. Not as expensive as most balsamics. Not quite as tannin-y as red wine vinegar. All of these "ACV for X or Y or Z" threads have me soured (badumtss) on seeing the acronym ACV.
I don't even click threads with keto in the name.
So many do just because they want to point out that it isn't magical. I sometimes wonder if they do the same to all the named diets (vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, paleo, primal, clean), and if so, why?2 -
yellingkimber wrote: »Being fair, apple cider vinegar is m a g i c a l.
Not because it's some elixir that'll make you lose weight, but because in my not-so-professional opinion, it's the best vinegar for a vinaigrette. It's tart, but not too tart. Sweet, but not too sweet. Not as expensive as most balsamics. Not quite as tannin-y as red wine vinegar. All of these "ACV for X or Y or Z" threads have me soured (badumtss) on seeing the acronym ACV.
I don't even click threads with keto in the name.
So many do just because they want to point out that it isn't magical. I sometimes wonder if they do the same to all the named diets (vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, paleo, primal, clean), and if so, why?
Possibly to counter the people in those threads who do claim its magical.9 -
yellingkimber wrote: »Being fair, apple cider vinegar is m a g i c a l.
Not because it's some elixir that'll make you lose weight, but because in my not-so-professional opinion, it's the best vinegar for a vinaigrette. It's tart, but not too tart. Sweet, but not too sweet. Not as expensive as most balsamics. Not quite as tannin-y as red wine vinegar. All of these "ACV for X or Y or Z" threads have me soured (badumtss) on seeing the acronym ACV.
I don't even click threads with keto in the name.
So many do just because they want to point out that it isn't magical. I sometimes wonder if they do the same to all the named diets (vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, paleo, primal, clean), and if so, why?
You know I always say keto works. I have no beef with it! I do however want to make sure folks can sustain their diet choice. Call me crazy but I want folks to succeed.
Side point vegan/vegetarians more than likely do it for religious or ethical reasons so it's hard to broach a belief system.1 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »Side point vegan/vegetarians more than likely do it for religious or ethical reasons so it's hard to broach a belief system.
I did it to rebel against my parents. Then it had to go and clear up a skin condition. And I discovered I liked being ovo-lacto, so...
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estherdragonbat wrote: »leanjogreen18 wrote: »Side point vegan/vegetarians more than likely do it for religious or ethical reasons so it's hard to broach a belief system.
I did it to rebel against my parents. Then it had to go and clear up a skin condition. And I discovered I liked being ovo-lacto, so...
I don't disagree. I'm pescatarian for reasons I've not disclosed. I greatly appreciate that not one person has given me a hard time here on Mfp!
But because I ask someone if they can sustain a diet doesn't make me against a "diet" It simply means I share my experience and I want others to succeed whatever they choose.
I do however refrain from asking too many questions since the majority of vegans and vegetarians refrain from animal products due to ethical or religious reasons. Unless they specifically say otherwise.
ETA if someone said hey jo I'm concerned you're cutting out meat I'd totally get it! And I think the reason I don't get flack is because I don't claim anything special about being pescatarian AND I support whatever works for folks as long as they are informed.7
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