What has taken over MFP more Keto Threads or ACV Threads
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Understandable.
It does sometimes feel that keto gets mocked. Frequently. It's better than it was a few years ago - by far - but it does not seem to be approached respectfully. I feel like I need to bite my tongue in my responses more often than I feel is necessary. I tend not to often go into threads that are not relevant to my woe such as vegetarian, vegan or Mediterranean, since I may not be as knowledgeable there, but it doesn't seem that those diets are treated with the same... disdain. Well, the gluten free threads often are.
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Understandable.
It does sometimes feel that keto gets mocked. Frequently. It's better than it was a few years ago - by far - but it does not seem to be approached respectfully. I feel like I need to bite my tongue in my responses more often than I feel is necessary. I tend not to often go into threads that are not relevant to my woe such as vegetarian, vegan or Mediterranean, since I may not be as knowledgeable there, but it doesn't seem that those diets are treated with the same... disdain. Well, the gluten free threads often are.
I know personally, as I started earlier in the thread, I tend to show little respect for it (and stay away from the threads about it) because of some particularly ridiculous claims of keto being some miracle cure for all sorts of ailments. For what I see, a lot of people who follow it treat it likes its a religion or something. It's weird. I do also have the same disdain for vegans who claim a vegan lifestyle can cure cancer and the like.5 -
I've seen keto, anti sugar, folks who moderate/can't moderate etc addressed as "is this sustainable" " I can't do that" a lot. I think it's an equal opportunity "mocking"
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yellingkimber wrote: »Being fair, apple cider vinegar is m a g i c a l.
Not because it's some elixir that'll make you lose weight, but because in my not-so-professional opinion, it's the best vinegar for a vinaigrette. It's tart, but not too tart. Sweet, but not too sweet. Not as expensive as most balsamics. Not quite as tannin-y as red wine vinegar. All of these "ACV for X or Y or Z" threads have me soured (badumtss) on seeing the acronym ACV.
I don't even click threads with keto in the name.
So many do just because they want to point out that it isn't magical. I sometimes wonder if they do the same to all the named diets (vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, paleo, primal, clean), and if so, why?
If people on a Mediterranean diet made as many magical claims as the Keto'ers (I've never seen one thread claiming Mediterranean is magic), you might have had a good question.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Understandable.
It does sometimes feel that keto gets mocked. Frequently. It's better than it was a few years ago - by far - but it does not seem to be approached respectfully. I feel like I need to bite my tongue in my responses more often than I feel is necessary. I tend not to often go into threads that are not relevant to my woe such as vegetarian, vegan or Mediterranean, since I may not be as knowledgeable there, but it doesn't seem that those diets are treated with the same... disdain. Well, the gluten free threads often are.
I know personally, as I started earlier in the thread, I tend to show little respect for it (and stay away from the threads about it) because of some particularly ridiculous claims of keto being some miracle cure for all sorts of ailments. For what I see, a lot of people who follow it treat it likes its a religion or something. It's weird. I do also have the same disdain for vegans who claim a vegan lifestyle can cure cancer and the like.
Same here, especially since I suffer from some of the ailments which it purport to "cure" and I have another medical condition which contraindicates eating a high fat diet.
Keto'ers seem to attribute a lot to the diet that is easily explained by the effects of losing weight and don't understand that people who've lost weight by other means often experience the same affects with some of the same medical conditions.5 -
In my spin class this morning, one of the participants was saying how much success she'd had with ACV.
The spin instructor then started talking about detoxing.
I groaned loudly, my friends.7 -
I don't mock keto (I wonder if you think I do?) and don't see a lot of keto-mocking. I DO see a lot of magical claims made for keto, and will counter them when I see them, and I also see a lot of assumptions from people who enjoy keto (by no means from most who do it, but enough that I think it's different from most diets discussed) that their experience is generalizable (people not doing keto are starving and miserable, fat is always satiating, carbs=low nutrient junk that they used to overeat that, hmm, has lots of fat) that that is also worth countering. Same with the claims that carbs=bad or carbs are the reason the SAD isn't great/people are getting T2D. If people JUST talked about keto as a personal choice they enjoyed, no one would comment.
Also, lots of keto threads are not about committed keto-ers (looking for keto friends or whatever) which I tend not to go into or if I do it's just because I was informing them about the keto group. If someone asks a question about what keto is or if they should do it, I might respond, but I'm never saying don't do it and always say I think it's a good choice for some.
I go into paleo threads often because I did it for a while and the claims underlying the diet interest me (and it does make magical claims). I don't think South Beach or Med make magical claims and neither has many threads. IME, vegetarians don't make magical claims either, and I don't really think this is the forum to engage about the ethical issues (nor do I particularly wish to). There is the occasional vegan making magical claims (unlike most of the longer vegan posters here), and I see those get countered as with the similar stuff with keto.
What strikes me, and I say this in the hope of making the forum less contentious, is that some who do keto perceive any comment that isn't "yay, keto is the best diet, better than all others" as anti keto. I say over and over and over that I think keto done right can be as healthful as any diet, can be the best (or a better) choice for some people, may be a more enjoyable way to eat for some, etc. Yet I get the impression that because I don't think all the claims made for it stack up, and disagree when people make claims about how other people who don't do keto are miserable and hungry or assume we can't go an hour without eating or run fasted or the like that I am anti keto, and that's not true at all. I will also say that I hope that anyone who complains that others are dismissive of keto notices that these comments are quick rude and dismissive about those who don't do keto and are, IMO, a large part of why threads often turn into debates about keto, even when the topic had nothing to do with it. Assuming that everyone who doesn't eat like you must be eating low nutrient foods or always hungry or unhealthy or any number of other assumptions I've seen is pretty wrong.12 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't mock keto (I wonder if you think I do?) and don't see a lot of keto-mocking. I DO see a lot of magical claims made for keto, and will counter them when I see them, and I also see a lot of assumptions from people who enjoy keto (by no means from most who do it, but enough that I think it's different from most diets discussed) that their experience is generalizable (people not doing keto are starving and miserable, fat is always satiating, carbs=low nutrient junk that they used to overeat that, hmm, has lots of fat) that that is also worth countering. Same with the claims that carbs=bad or carbs are the reason the SAD isn't great/people are getting T2D. If people JUST talked about keto as a personal choice they enjoyed, no one would comment.
Also, lots of keto threads are not about committed keto-ers (looking for keto friends or whatever) which I tend not to go into or if I do it's just because I was informing them about the keto group. If someone asks a question about what keto is or if they should do it, I might respond, but I'm never saying don't do it and always say I think it's a good choice for some.
I go into paleo threads often because I did it for a while and the claims underlying the diet interest me (and it does make magical claims). I don't think South Beach or Med make magical claims and neither has many threads. IME, vegetarians don't make magical claims either, and I don't really think this is the forum to engage about the ethical issues (nor do I particularly wish to). There is the occasional vegan making magical claims (unlike most of the longer vegan posters here), and I see those get countered as with the similar stuff with keto.
What strikes me, and I say this in the hope of making the forum less contentious, is that some who do keto perceive any comment that isn't "yay, keto is the best diet, better than all others" as anti keto. I say over and over and over that I think keto done right can be as healthful as any diet, can be the best (or a better) choice for some people, may be a more enjoyable way to eat for some, etc. Yet I get the impression that because I don't think all the claims made for it stack up, and disagree when people make claims about how other people who don't do keto are miserable and hungry or assume we can't go an hour without eating or run fasted or the like that I am anti keto, and that's not true at all. I will also say that I hope that anyone who complains that others are dismissive of keto notices that these comments are quick rude and dismissive about those who don't do keto and are, IMO, a large part of why threads often turn into debates about keto, even when the topic had nothing to do with it. Assuming that everyone who doesn't eat like you must be eating low nutrient foods or always hungry or unhealthy or any number of other assumptions I've seen is pretty wrong.
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This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.0 -
I ate high carb as a kid. Cereal for breakfast, with a glass of juice. Lunch was a sandwich with an apple, and often another juice. Dinner was meat starch and vegetable, with a glass of juice or powdered skim milk. Snacks were fruit, raw vegetables (more common during the day or before dinner) and cookies.
I would like to add that I hope people would not hold LCHF misinformation against the diet or all those who use it. Inaccurate info is just that and does not mean the diet, or certain foods, are bad... or excessively good.
This board needs an irony button.2 -
I posted this elsewhere. There are clinical practices popping up that have programs to attempt to repair, or bring back to a normal level, metabolisms of people that have been on ketogenic diets and reverted or want to revert.
I can't recall the specifics, but there was a study involving non-nutritive sweeteners adversely affecting the metabolism of nutritive ones. Anyway, discussion included extrapolating to dietary carbohydrates at large. I don't think there's any studies that have gone more than a year, last I looked.
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This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
My parents are in their 70s, and have never have eaten a low carb diet. Food was more seasonal than now, so daily fruit depended on the time of year and where people were living (my mother grew up on a farm in the Yakima Valley, so fruit was extremely common during much of the year, actually), but other carbs (grains, tubers) were extremely common -- both my parents certainly recall cereal (cold or hot) and bread at breakfast.
And like I said before, my grandparents (all born between 1910 and 1919) similarly ate plenty of carbs growing up, often two starches (potatoes and bread) at a meal (three of my four grandparents grew up on farms, the other was the grandson of millers on one side and an employee of a grain elevator on the other, so I don't think grain is some new-fangled thing). They were not overweight because they did not overeat for their activity, not because they were low carb.
I happen to agree that increasing the opportunities/reasons to eat at the same time we've decreased activity is why we (as a society) have gained weight, but that has nothing to do with low carb or not. Most of those snacks you are talking about are half fat and half (refined) carbs.
Pretty sure the term glutton has always been an insult, it's one of the deadly sins. If you accuse people of it you are saying something bad about them, and something that, even if true, they will not want pointed out (and which will be considered rude to point out). Yes, people didn't want to be thought gluttons, and they don't (usually) today. Lots of fat people eat in secret or watch what they eat in public as a result, or even claim (often in self-denial) that they did not gain weight from overeating. When I was fat I was far less likely to have, say, a cookie if eating with others than now (and pretty much never did, even if they did, unless the person I was with was also overweight), since I figured I'd be judged, so I reject the notion that people no longer have no problem with being considered "greedy." (Note, I am not complaining about this, it was my personal issue.)4 -
I didn't really know what keto was until this thread.
My grandmother has been obsessed with ACV since forever, though. She thinks it cures everything. She gave me an ACV book of spells remedies that I still have, somewhere.4 -
This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
My parents were born in the 1920's - definitely had a high carb diet.
The WWII diet in the UK under strict rationing was an extremely healthy one and also high carb.
Fruit and veg were of course far more seasonal/locally grown but starches (bread and potatoes mainly) were an absolute mainstay for the majority of my parent's generation.
Fun fact:
Sausages became known as ‘bangers’. Because of the shortage of meat they contained a lot of cereal and water and often exploded during cooking.
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Isn't it true for those of us older folks, we all did LC growing up. Not that it was called LC,
I can remember while loving sweets, still only occasionally getting something sweet, sweets were a rare treat. We, just as a normal part of life, ate one serving during meals. . . . .yes, the holidays were more like many ppl eat everyday today.
Does anyone else recall that being called greedy or a glutton wasn't bad manners and PC didn't exist?
I know younger ppl here have been told this and may not want to read it again but in many of our entire schools for k-8 there was perhaps, one obese boy or girl and in high school..perhaps 2 or 3....total.
Is it any wonder that ppl are going for ACV or Keto--vegetables & meat, what's so bad about that with them drizzled in delicious olive oil?
It sounds like you are suggesting that the way you were eating growing up, which you are calling low carb is:
Eating portion controlled foods.
Only eating sweets on occasion.
That, to me, sounds more like flexible dieting or moderation - than a Low Carb diet. Or when you said LC, did you mean Low Calorie, as in your calories were more restricted because of self restraint and then more active lifestyles?
But yeah, as others have said, I would not suggest that people of an older generation were eating low carb. My grandpa was a big fan of the gravy sandwich. Two slices of white bread soaked in gravy. With mashed potatoes and more gravy on the side. And chicken fried steak. Also with gravy. Occasionally there was corn on the plate. It probably had gravy as well. None of that, is low carb. Even the gravy starts with flour (none of that fancy cornstarch thickener for my family!).
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My grandmother's wedding vows read "to love, honor, and make cornbread." That tells you all you need to know about how low-carb my family was.11
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Another here who didn't grow up eating low carb at all.
One thing I will say though is we (by we I mean my family, in my part of the country) knew that grains, starches and sugars were filler foods. We weren't allowed to "fill up" on those things and couldn't have seconds of them unless we finished the nutritious part of the meal -- the meat and vegetables. And if you needed to lose weight those were the foods you cut back on.2 -
This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
I'm not sure what cultural background you came from, but my Italian grandparents had grains for breakfast all the time. Either polenta or farina was on the menu if they weren't just having bread. They ate fruit when it was in season and in the market.
My grandmother would have been 100 years old on April 5th.
If you want 70-80 year olds, I'll go with my mother.
She was raised eating either Cream of Wheat or oatmeal for breakfast.
My relatives were too poor to be eating eggs for breakfast every day.
As for your other assertions, I'm not even going to bother trying to disabuse you of them. I agree we snack more than we used to, but I find this notion of not wanting to appear "greedy" is likely something that you in particular lived with in your own life. It wasn't anything I remember. I grew up eating normal portions because that's how people used to eat.0 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »I've seen keto, anti sugar, folks who moderate/can't moderate etc addressed as "is this sustainable" " I can't do that" a lot. I think it's an equal opportunity "mocking".
Could be. It could be I am a bit defensive. Perhaps I am seeing "sugar is the debil" and "I eat a treat everyday and I'm still alive" or "it helps epileptics and that's it" implied in threads when it is not.
Just to clarify from others, what is a "magical" keto claim? The only ones I can come up with is keto is NEEDED for weight loss and keto cures cancer outright. Are there others that are equally untrue?
There are health claims to keto that are true, even if not everyone gets to experience them. No treatment is 100% effective for everybody. The keto benefits I know of are reduced appetite and cravings, slightly accelerated losses (small and mainly in those with IR), improved skin and hair without weight loss, improved mental clarity including possibly helping those with dementia, better BG control within days without weightloss, improved lipid panels without weight loss, improved AI symptoms without weight loss, beneficial effects on hormones without weight loss... I think that's it. And of course, not everyone experiences those.2 -
diannethegeek wrote: »I ate high carb as a kid. Cereal for breakfast, with a glass of juice. Lunch was a sandwich with an apple, and often another juice. Dinner was meat starch and vegetable, with a glass of juice or powdered skim milk. Snacks were fruit, raw vegetables (more common during the day or before dinner) and cookies.
I would like to add that I hope people would not hold LCHF misinformation against the diet or all those who use it. Inaccurate info is just that and does not mean the diet, or certain foods, are bad... or excessively good.
This board needs an irony button.
High carb worked for me until it didn't. I have wondered if my diet had not been so high carb growing up and into my twenties, if my health and dietary needs would be different now.
Ironic? For me I see irony in the possibility that a higher carb diet may have led to my need for a low carb diet.2 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »I've seen keto, anti sugar, folks who moderate/can't moderate etc addressed as "is this sustainable" " I can't do that" a lot. I think it's an equal opportunity "mocking".
Just to clarify from others, what is a "magical" keto claim? The only ones I can come up with is keto is NEEDED for weight loss and keto cures cancer outright. Are there others that are equally untrue?
The implication that eating a keto diet allows a person to consume more calories than they need and still lose weight. I have yet to see anyone state that, but it's heavily hinted at by at least one poster.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
I'm not sure what cultural background you came from, but my Italian grandparents had grains for breakfast all the time. Either polenta or farina was on the menu if they weren't just having bread. They ate fruit when it was in season and in the market.
My grandmother would have been 100 years old on April 5th.
If you want 70-80 year olds, I'll go with my mother.
She was raised eating either Cream of Wheat or oatmeal for breakfast.
My relatives were too poor to be eating eggs for breakfast every day.
As for your other assertions, I'm not even going to bother trying to disabuse you of them. I agree we snack more than we used to, but I find this notion of not wanting to appear "greedy" is likely something that you in particular lived with in your own life. It wasn't anything I remember. I grew up eating normal portions because that's how people used to eat.
Germany here, I don't think I have to say how much we love potatoes and breads.7 -
stevencloser wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
I'm not sure what cultural background you came from, but my Italian grandparents had grains for breakfast all the time. Either polenta or farina was on the menu if they weren't just having bread. They ate fruit when it was in season and in the market.
My grandmother would have been 100 years old on April 5th.
If you want 70-80 year olds, I'll go with my mother.
She was raised eating either Cream of Wheat or oatmeal for breakfast.
My relatives were too poor to be eating eggs for breakfast every day.
As for your other assertions, I'm not even going to bother trying to disabuse you of them. I agree we snack more than we used to, but I find this notion of not wanting to appear "greedy" is likely something that you in particular lived with in your own life. It wasn't anything I remember. I grew up eating normal portions because that's how people used to eat.
Germany here, I don't think I have to say how much we love potatoes and breads.
When I first visited Germany I was amazed by the variety of sausages and in particular breads! You have so many, it's actually a European bread paradise! I loved the small breads as well. I ate the best sandwiches there. Gniedla (knödel) schmeckt auch sehr gut!5 -
I'm seeing a lot of "Will the sugar in diet soda make me fat?" threads lately.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
I blame that sugar documentary, don't recall the name but it basically blame every kind of soda for making people obese.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
I'm not sure what cultural background you came from, but my Italian grandparents had grains for breakfast all the time. Either polenta or farina was on the menu if they weren't just having bread. They ate fruit when it was in season and in the market.
My grandmother would have been 100 years old on April 5th.
If you want 70-80 year olds, I'll go with my mother.
She was raised eating either Cream of Wheat or oatmeal for breakfast.
My relatives were too poor to be eating eggs for breakfast every day.
As for your other assertions, I'm not even going to bother trying to disabuse you of them. I agree we snack more than we used to, but I find this notion of not wanting to appear "greedy" is likely something that you in particular lived with in your own life. It wasn't anything I remember. I grew up eating normal portions because that's how people used to eat.
Germany here, I don't think I have to say how much we love potatoes and breads.
When I first visited Germany I was amazed by the variety of sausages and in particular breads! You have so many, it's actually a European bread paradise! I loved the small breads as well. I ate the best sandwiches there. Gniedla (knödel) schmeckt auch sehr gut!
Go to a good bakery here in the UK and you get a really good variety of breads too, we steal from all over the world. And sausages too, very different to German sausages (a small selection of which you can easily find in most supermarkets) and we also steal a lot of Polish food as well now.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »This is a fantastic thread.
I'm defining older as 70-80 years old and for ppl in that age group, most likely didn't have fruit everyday or huge bowls of cereal for breakfast.
It's hard to disagree that during the last 30 or so years snacking, eating between meals, and simple carb intake are problematic. I do think the added hormones and insecticides contribute to the problems with many ppl weighing so much.
Yes , people were polite but the idea of not wanting to appear "greedy" was great for self control- I don't know how the term "glutton" became an insult. We are PC and so often someone needs to hear the truth but they won't.
I'm not sure what cultural background you came from, but my Italian grandparents had grains for breakfast all the time. Either polenta or farina was on the menu if they weren't just having bread. They ate fruit when it was in season and in the market.
My grandmother would have been 100 years old on April 5th.
If you want 70-80 year olds, I'll go with my mother.
She was raised eating either Cream of Wheat or oatmeal for breakfast.
My relatives were too poor to be eating eggs for breakfast every day.
As for your other assertions, I'm not even going to bother trying to disabuse you of them. I agree we snack more than we used to, but I find this notion of not wanting to appear "greedy" is likely something that you in particular lived with in your own life. It wasn't anything I remember. I grew up eating normal portions because that's how people used to eat.
Germany here, I don't think I have to say how much we love potatoes and breads.
When I first visited Germany I was amazed by the variety of sausages and in particular breads! You have so many, it's actually a European bread paradise! I loved the small breads as well. I ate the best sandwiches there. Gniedla (knödel) schmeckt auch sehr gut!
Go to a good bakery here in the UK and you get a really good variety of breads too, we steal from all over the world. And sausages too, very different to German sausages (a small selection of which you can easily find in most supermarkets) and we also steal a lot of Polish food as well now.
Hahahaha, I've been to the UK too! Germany, Czech Republic, England and Wales are the only countries I've been and had great english pastries. What also made an impression to me was that all these countries compared to Greece have so much more junk food varieties! Germany has great chocolates, bakeries and deli meats, the UK has such a big variety on everything, I got lost. And I live in Athens. Just for a fun fact: Mountain Dew made its appearance here a year or two ago. Chocolates and drinks are also more expensive here than any other country I've been to.
Back to the topic of this thread: going Keto, paleo etc. here can be expensive. Carbs+protein+feta+olive oil and olives :P ftw.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
I blame that sugar documentary, don't recall the name but it basically blame every kind of soda for making people obese.
That sugar film?0 -
leanjogreen18 wrote: »I've seen keto, anti sugar, folks who moderate/can't moderate etc addressed as "is this sustainable" " I can't do that" a lot. I think it's an equal opportunity "mocking".
Just to clarify from others, what is a "magical" keto claim? The only ones I can come up with is keto is NEEDED for weight loss and keto cures cancer outright. Are there others that are equally untrue?
The implication that eating a keto diet allows a person to consume more calories than they need and still lose weight. I have yet to see anyone state that, but it's heavily hinted at by at least one poster.
I've seen this stated right out in many, many different threads. I've also seen numerous keto posters insisting that if you eat carbs/sugar beyond a small amount you will put on fat even in a deficit, because sugar turns to fat (which is a misunderstanding or magical thinking about how it works) and people misunderstanding the fact that you burn more fat on keto (which you do, because you eat more fat) to mean that you burn body fat even if not in a deficit, which makes no sense.
Other magical claims: contrasting "low cal" with "low carb" with the obvious idea that you are eating way more calories or not at a deficit at all on keto.
Claiming that people on "low cal" diets (meaning eating at a deficit at all -- this was explicitly stated in a few threads I was in) are hurting themselves, and thus people need to lose with keto.
Claiming that if you don't low carb you need to eat every couple of hours (would confusing the millions of people who have traditionally eaten just 3 meals a day without low carbing, as well as many more of us who naturally skipped a meal while eating carbs without problem), and cannot run even a couple of miles fasted, etc. Also, insisting that carbs cannot be filling and that fat always is super filling.
There are more reasonable claims people make and I think individuals are different, but I'm talking in the last paragraph about claims that are made as if they applied to everyone.5
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