Eating a donut after months of healthy eating = nearly puked.
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Therealobi1 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Pastry does it me yet I love a greggs sausage roll.
Us Northern lasses love greggs
us southerners too. steak bake, washed down with a iced jam doughnut
My husband often tells me about when he was at school and his lunch was 3 Greggs sausage rolls and a doughnut...2 -
Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.3
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I think this kind of stuff is mostly in people's heads and that at minimum they're suffering from mild orthorexia...
I eat a pretty solid diet for the most part...I've never experienced any ill effects from having something "junky" that I haven't had in awhile. I had a cream soda the other day with my lunch...I haven't had a soda since sometime last summer while camping...I was totally fine and it was quite tasty...
Super greasy foods and deep fried foods cause me some indigestion/heartburn...nothing new there, been that way my whole life and I used to pop tums like candy which is why I don't eat much of that kind of stuff anymore.9 -
I feel much better after eating sweets, after months of healthy eating, than I did when I was overeating. I used to pop Rennie like chewing gums, and wake up in the night with acid reflux. Now my stomach is in much better shape and likes chocolate and mcdonald's much more than it did.1
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I think this kind of stuff is mostly in people's heads and that at minimum they're suffering from mild orthorexia...
I eat a pretty solid diet for the most part...I've never experienced any ill effects from having something "junky" that I haven't had in awhile. I had a cream soda the other day with my lunch...I haven't had a soda since sometime last summer while camping...I was totally fine and it was quite tasty...
Super greasy foods and deep fried foods cause me some indigestion/heartburn...nothing new there, been that way my whole life and I used to pop tums like candy which is why I don't eat much of that kind of stuff anymore.
Right - it's like The MFP version of a FB humblebrag9 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »dudebro200 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dudebro200 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »You've probably reduced your fat consumption when you were dieting and a large influx on fat caused discomfort. It's not the doughnut per se, if you had fried eggplant, even without breading, you would most probably feel the same.
People going from eating barely no vegetables to eating a lot of them are also likely to experience stomach issues simply because they aren't used to this much fiber. It's not because vegetables are bad for health, it's simply because they aren't used to them.
He actually isn't particularly low fat, though -- the day of the donut he had McD's for breakfast, and other days have stuff like sausage biscuits. My guess is it's just one of those things, sometimes you get heart burn, I think (I haven't actually suffered from it, but that's what I understand).
But maybe it was a terrible, awful, very bad donut, of course! ;-)
I eat McDonald's, but I get an egg white delight. I rarely eat more than 60grams fat a day.
I eat a heavy breakfast normally, but I don't eat heavy for lunch and dinner. Usually 97 turkey or chicken breast and broccoli.
What I don't normally eat much of are deep fried foods, which is what a donut is.
I don't have anything against fat, but you had McM and hash browns, with more total fat combined than a single donut. You only had a few days logged, but they were all in the 70s, one 78 g. Nothing wrong with that, but not low fat. You had a day with a sausage biscuit for breakfast (7-11), more total fat than a single donut, plus sausage for lunch and dinner (same fat as the single donut). I don't see how the donut was too much fat to handle.
But I have no theories, so if you think it was the fat in the donut, that's fine with me.
Hmmm... I skipped a few days recently (due to birthday and reaching a 17lbs lost milestone) , but have logged more than 60 days. Are those days not available?
The donut was from a mom-n-pop shop, and I used to the Dunkin donut as an analogue.
Fat in meat is one thing, but deep fried food is something else.
Are McD's hash browns not deep fried? I never go to McD's, so assumed, but don't know for sure. Their fries certainly are.
I almost never eat deep fried things (and on average eat a lot less fat than you have logged), but occasionally go for fried chicken (local soul food place near me) or some good fries or fish and chips (local pub), and it doesn't bother me. I also had a pazcki (Polish jelly doughnut) my assistant brought it before Lent started, because it's a tradition here, and that didn't seem hugely different either.
But everyone is different, and if you have developed an intolerance to doughnuts, that's too bad (or good for you, or whatever the desired reaction is).
Yep, they are
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Pizza binges are like a summer love affair, or (the ads would have you think) a trip to Vegas. Enjoy it while it lasts but when its over its over.0
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ChristopherLimoges wrote: »Try to relax, and get back to eating healthy. The change on the taste buds is natural, eating cleaner and healthier will cause certain enhancements, one of them being taste, and the taste profile of some foods that may have been more bitter and tart or unpleasant before may also change especially if those foods have natural sugars in them, making them taste sweeter or more pleasant than previously thought. Vice versa for the foods you've eaten before eating clean. Be careful when taking advice on issues regarding acidity, the topic of high acidity in the body has plenty of aspects, causes, resulting in the misdiagnosis of plenty. If you're drinking or eating an acidic food or beverage try to level yourself out by eating or drinking the opposite.
Your respiratory and renal systems regulate the acidity of your body.
Even in metabolic or respiratory acidosis/alkalosis your body will compensate to a degree. 'Balancing' an acidic food with an opposite food does nothing.
OP - if you have chest pain, regardless of the donut incident, get yourself medically assessed to rule out cardiac causes.
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comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.
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Fat isn't soluble in water, and most of the chemistry in your digestive tract is water-based. To make the fats soluble, your body secretes bile from the liver and stored in the gall bladder into the duodenum, which is the first part of the intestine directly beyond the stomach's lower sphincter.
People prone to gallstones (mostly genetics) have for a long time been advised to avoid fatty foods--when the gall bladder contracts, if there is a stone in the gall bladder or its duct, it clamps down on the stone, which is painful and causes a "gall stone attack". So, eating fatty foods can precipitate symptoms in these people.
However there is a growing body of evidence that it is stasis of the bile in the gallbladder that allows people prone to gallstones to actually develop gallstones. This means that it may actually be better to consistently eat moderate amount of fats so that the bile in the gallbladder is regularly emptied, before it can solidify into stones.
If donuts make you sick after a long period of not eating fats, its possible you are developing gallstones. If you can convince your doc to get you an ultrasound, you can know for sure. Early stages of stone formation can sometimes be treated to dissolve the stones over a period of about a year, by taking daily ursodiol (which you can google). The only options in late stages are surgical.4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.
well maybe thats not true, its making some people want to puke when they eat them again3 -
Pain in your chest around your lower ribs which can also go around the back of the lower ribs, nausea and or spewing, hot & cold sweats etc after eating fatty food can be a sign of gallstones/inflamed gallbladder.1
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Therealobi1 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.
well maybe thats not true, its making some people want to puke when they eat them again
Look at the health markers of those who eat fat and sugar laden foods on a frequent basis vs those that don't and you will find those that don't will generally have better numbers, i.e., their health is not as fragile.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.
context is important. Read the OP.
Skipping sweet/fatty things to an extreme restrictive extent that one becomes violently sick when one encounters them again (nausea, dizziness, chest pains and bad acid reflux), is absolutely making your body more fragile and less resilient to varieties in food. Whether it's physical (such as from overly restricting fats and developing gallstones as one possibility) or really psychological in nature.
Like training your lower body only with a smith machine squat with only one extremely precise and consistent stance and failing to use many stabilizers, but progressing to a very high weight over time, or a country getting rich off a financial bubble, or a species becoming optimised to a very narrow set of conditions before a big environmental change, building up an apparent great improvement while increasing fragility of the system you're working on is a perfectly common thing. And responding to that by pointing to the issues of someone who doesn't lift weights, or a country not getting rich, or that people who eat more donuts are more correlated with weight related health issues, is missing the point.
If your body has become more susceptible to harm and damage from things, you have made it more fragile in that context by definition.
When people diet, and find that such foods feel a lot BETTER to eat on their digestive system and overall than they did when when they were gaining weight (this is a very common result of good old flexible dieting), they have become more robust and resilient to them. That's definitely preferable.5 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.
well maybe thats not true, its making some people want to puke when they eat them again
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Packerjohn wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Be careful about how you approach food restriction: We may want controls on our eating to make our bodies more resilient, not a more fragile organism.
Skipping deep fat fried sugar coated doughnuts will not make ones body more fragile.
well maybe thats not true, its making some people want to puke when they eat them again
Look at the health markers of those who eat fat and sugar laden foods on a frequent basis vs those that don't and you will find those that don't will generally have better numbers, i.e., their health is not as fragile.
we're talking about the context of people who are controlling their calories and weight. I don't believe your claim is (the health problem with people who eat fat and sugar laden foods more frequently tends to arise from eating too much and being overweight).
In this context, flexible dieters fare better than highly restrictive dieters in general, and if they really can eat a wider variety of foods without getting violently ill, their digestive systems are definitely more robust.4 -
Fat isn't soluble in water, and most of the chemistry in your digestive tract is water-based. To make the fats soluble, your body secretes bile from the liver and stored in the gall bladder into the duodenum, which is the first part of the intestine directly beyond the stomach's lower sphincter.
People prone to gallstones (mostly genetics) have for a long time been advised to avoid fatty foods--when the gall bladder contracts, if there is a stone in the gall bladder or its duct, it clamps down on the stone, which is painful and causes a "gall stone attack". So, eating fatty foods can precipitate symptoms in these people.
However there is a growing body of evidence that it is stasis of the bile in the gallbladder that allows people prone to gallstones to actually develop gallstones. This means that it may actually be better to consistently eat moderate amount of fats so that the bile in the gallbladder is regularly emptied, before it can solidify into stones.
If donuts make you sick after a long period of not eating fats, its possible you are developing gallstones. If you can convince your doc to get you an ultrasound, you can know for sure. Early stages of stone formation can sometimes be treated to dissolve the stones over a period of about a year, by taking daily ursodiol (which you can google). The only options in late stages are surgical.
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I haven't had a donut in a year but the more I see this discussion on my list of active discussions the more I take it as a challenge.3
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I really think most of the "a donut makes me sick" kinds of things are mental. Yes, going very low fat for a while can mean that a higher fat item doesn't sit right (as my grandmother would have said) and cutting out meat can have the same effect when you reintroduce it (not for me yesterday, yay!), but that's temporary and the foods that are added back in aren't inherently bad for you, that's really a strawman.
Also, to Packerjohn, I eat a very healthy diet and have great test results (although my test results were fine even when I was fat, they are better now). I don't find that eating a donut (which I do maybe twice a year) makes me sick, or having an occasional fish and chips or whatever. I wouldn't see that as a sign that I'm too healthy to eat bad things (LOL) but that there was something wrong or off (or that it was just one of those things or some personal food sensitivity). Sometimes I think people want to think foods they are attracted to but are afraid they will overdo make them sick, as it is a way of addressing the attraction.
I do think it's funny that OP's diet is being held up as an overly clean one and he can't handle the fat when he's consistently in the 70s with fat and one day this month had hash browns, a sausage biscuit, and an Egg McM (but with egg whites!) for breakfast. Whatever the issue is, it's not low fat.
Not everything has a direct cause, sometimes we just have weird reactions or feel bad.0 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Pastry does it me yet I love a greggs sausage roll.
Us Northern lasses love greggs
@RuNaRoUnDaFiEld waves from a fellow Northern lass. I'm travelling back up North next week (I live in the States these days) and can't wait to dive head first into a Greggs cheese and onion pasty. Gonna eat it in the street too, just to annoy my mum.0 -
Same thing happened to me. I was eating fairly healthy and then I had a high-fat meal and suffered. I ended up having pain with certain meals such as fatty meats, eggs and avocados. Chocolate was ok in small quantities. My doctor thought I had a stomach ulcer. One day I ate two cookies for breakfast. I was in pain the whole day. My back and the right shoulder. I had to go to the doctor. Did some tests and turned out I had a 2.5cm gallstone. I had a surgery this January and up to this day eating avocados, tofu and whole eggs makes me throw up. Other fatty foods have been ok.
There could be an underlying health problem, is all I am saying. It can be psychological or it can also be a tolerance thing as well. Especially if it happened after a period of eating a non-donut diet.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I think this kind of stuff is mostly in people's heads and that at minimum they're suffering from mild orthorexia...
Right - it's like The MFP version of a FB humblebrag
^^^ Hilarious, and so true!2 -
dudebro200 wrote: »Not sure what's going on here.
I ate a donut and a 1/2, and I haven't had any since November 2016.
Now, I have really bad chest pains, and I feel nauseous. Is my body used to more clean foods?
there is burning acid-like feeling from my mouth through to my stomach. I feel like can't eat anything else, and I am fairly dizzy too. I have felt this way before like 3 years ago, after I ate a bowl full of fried onion rings at a steak restaurant.
It's an inflamed feeling, and not a stomach flu feeling.
Have any other dieters experienced this? Not sure if this is worth a doctor's visit.
Sounds like a classic case of Acid Reflux. It gets worse with fried food. Especially if they've gone over the smoke point of the oil or they've used the same oil in a few days, which they do in a lot of places.
Usual triggers are usually super oily stuff, non-distilled booze like wine etc. Just google acid reflux diet, and follow your body in terms of what messes up your stomach, and simply avoid it. Just because some random dude on MFP ate a dozen Donut's and nothing happened to him does not mean you should do the same and suffer stomach pain.0 -
subcounter wrote: »dudebro200 wrote: »Not sure what's going on here.
I ate a donut and a 1/2, and I haven't had any since November 2016.
Now, I have really bad chest pains, and I feel nauseous. Is my body used to more clean foods?
there is burning acid-like feeling from my mouth through to my stomach. I feel like can't eat anything else, and I am fairly dizzy too. I have felt this way before like 3 years ago, after I ate a bowl full of fried onion rings at a steak restaurant.
It's an inflamed feeling, and not a stomach flu feeling.
Have any other dieters experienced this? Not sure if this is worth a doctor's visit.
Sounds like a classic case of Acid Reflux. It gets worse with fried food. Especially if they've gone over the smoke point of the oil or they've used the same oil in a few days, which they do in a lot of places.
Usual triggers are usually super oily stuff, non-distilled booze like wine etc. Just google acid reflux diet, and follow your body in terms of what messes up your stomach, and simply avoid it. Just because some random dude on MFP ate a dozen Donut's and nothing happened to him does not mean you should do the same and suffer stomach pain.
can people actually eat that many doughnuts?
is it all in one setting or over a period of days
thats just amazing.2 -
subcounter wrote: »dudebro200 wrote: »Not sure what's going on here.
I ate a donut and a 1/2, and I haven't had any since November 2016.
Now, I have really bad chest pains, and I feel nauseous. Is my body used to more clean foods?
there is burning acid-like feeling from my mouth through to my stomach. I feel like can't eat anything else, and I am fairly dizzy too. I have felt this way before like 3 years ago, after I ate a bowl full of fried onion rings at a steak restaurant.
It's an inflamed feeling, and not a stomach flu feeling.
Have any other dieters experienced this? Not sure if this is worth a doctor's visit.
Sounds like a classic case of Acid Reflux. It gets worse with fried food. Especially if they've gone over the smoke point of the oil or they've used the same oil in a few days, which they do in a lot of places.
Usual triggers are usually super oily stuff, non-distilled booze like wine etc. Just google acid reflux diet, and follow your body in terms of what messes up your stomach, and simply avoid it. Just because some random dude on MFP ate a dozen Donut's and nothing happened to him does not mean you should do the same and suffer stomach pain.
That is also very likely. In many stores they're using the same oils for frying more than a couple of times. In that case, no matter what you're eating on the regular, it could be that this is going to be harsh on your stomach.0 -
Wait, who ate a dozen doughnuts? I miss all the posts.
Lesson seems to be, be more picky where you get your doughnuts.2 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »subcounter wrote: »dudebro200 wrote: »Not sure what's going on here.
I ate a donut and a 1/2, and I haven't had any since November 2016.
Now, I have really bad chest pains, and I feel nauseous. Is my body used to more clean foods?
there is burning acid-like feeling from my mouth through to my stomach. I feel like can't eat anything else, and I am fairly dizzy too. I have felt this way before like 3 years ago, after I ate a bowl full of fried onion rings at a steak restaurant.
It's an inflamed feeling, and not a stomach flu feeling.
Have any other dieters experienced this? Not sure if this is worth a doctor's visit.
Sounds like a classic case of Acid Reflux. It gets worse with fried food. Especially if they've gone over the smoke point of the oil or they've used the same oil in a few days, which they do in a lot of places.
Usual triggers are usually super oily stuff, non-distilled booze like wine etc. Just google acid reflux diet, and follow your body in terms of what messes up your stomach, and simply avoid it. Just because some random dude on MFP ate a dozen Donut's and nothing happened to him does not mean you should do the same and suffer stomach pain.
can people actually eat that many doughnuts?
is it all in one setting or over a period of days
thats just amazing.
Do not try this at home:
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I live in Portland home of Voodo and Blue Star. I have a friend visiting from out of town tomorrow and I think a donut for breakfast sounds perfect. Even though I've lost 97 lbs, I'm pretty sure I won't puke over a single donut.2
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I'm glad to read others have problems feeling sick because I ate out 4 times last month (rarely eat out) & each time i felt sick to my stomach even tho I ate "well". One meal was a sirloin steak & green beans. They must put something in restaurant food. (never bothered me before) Yesterday I made my husband breaded & fried tilapia, I never eat fried foods any more (I do use olive oil for saute without a problem) I had a small piece & had diarrhea rest of the day0
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