!!!!Pasta!!!!

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  • ericatoday
    ericatoday Posts: 454 Member
    I've lost 45 with pasta in my diet. From spaghetti to gnocchi with homemade Alfredo sauce. I make pasta like 2-3 times a month. I'd make it more but my kids aren't huge fans.
  • seantnash
    seantnash Posts: 77 Member
    edited May 2017
    Cold pasta being lower in calories is akin to when I hear people say that eating fruit is better for you than drinking smoothies because you burn more calories chewing it. Like wtf?!?! Where do people get these ideas from?!?! There's other reasons not to over indulge on smoothies but that's definitely not one of them.

    The difference in calorific value probably ends up 0.0000001 calories or some other minute figure that's not even worth thinking about.

    Us humans love to think there's some magic secret formula to weight loss. There isn't. It really is calories in vs calories out. Why the hell do we complicate it much more than needs be?

    When you look at a car you know if you put the right amount and right type of gas in it will get you to your destination. You don't start putting cucumbers or microwaves in the fuel tank for some convoluted, non-sensical reason because it's the latest fad. So why do we think we need to be convoluted about our own bodies?
  • Wynterbourne
    Wynterbourne Posts: 2,225 Member
    gamerbabe14 wrote: »
    You should eat mostly pasta for a month and show him your weigh ins.

    I'm down 130lbs with only about 10-15lbs left until I reach my goal. He can make thousands of calories worth of pasta, toss it in the fridge, eat it, and enjoy his weight gain. I'm not doing it. Sorry.

  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    gamerbabe14 wrote: »
    You should eat mostly pasta for a month and show him your weigh ins.

    I'm down 130lbs with only about 10-15lbs left until I reach my goal. He can make thousands of calories worth of pasta, toss it in the fridge, eat it, and enjoy his weight gain. I'm not doing it. Sorry.

    I think she meant OP. Either way, I don't think these water cooler arguments are worth it.
  • Wynterbourne
    Wynterbourne Posts: 2,225 Member
    amusedmonkey wrote: »
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    gamerbabe14 wrote: »
    You should eat mostly pasta for a month and show him your weigh ins.

    I'm down 130lbs with only about 10-15lbs left until I reach my goal. He can make thousands of calories worth of pasta, toss it in the fridge, eat it, and enjoy his weight gain. I'm not doing it. Sorry.

    I think she meant OP. Either way, I don't think these water cooler arguments are worth it.

    Ah, that's what I get for reading while getting ready to leave the house. And yes, yes they are. Hehe
  • richln
    richln Posts: 809 Member
    Ask the "nutritionist" what they think about the Mediterranean diet.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    seantnash wrote: »
    Cold pasta being lower in calories is akin to when I hear people say that eating fruit is better for you than drinking smoothies because you burn more calories chewing it. Like wtf?!?! Where do people get these ideas from?!?! There's other reasons not to over indulge on smoothies but that's definitely not one of them.

    Yeah, that's my reaction.

    I mean, I've seen the studies (reports of them) and believe there may be some reduction in calories, but it certainly wasn't going to affect my logging, and like someone else mentioned I ate pasta (and leftover pasta) plenty when losing weight.

    For me it's kind of like the claims that nuts are way overstated with respect to calories you get from them or the higher TEF for protein. If I'm actually overstating calories a bit, yay, sets off errors that probably creep in, but I wouldn't make an effort to eat only previously chilled pasta on the idea that it's no longer caloric.

    For OP, assuming it fits into your macros and you have no gluten or other grain-related issues, I think pasta is a great weight-loss food in that it's fast to make, tasty, and it's extremely easy to make a balanced sauce with it that includes lean meat, lots of vegetables, and some olive oil. What could be bad?
  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    edited May 2017
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    JeromeBarry1 wrote: »
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    JeromeBarry1 wrote: »
    A pasta carbohydrate gram is 4 calories just like any other carbohydrate gram. However, if you refrigerate the cooked pasta for 12 hours the pasta becomes resistant to digestion in your stomach and small intestine, effectively becoming 0 calories for you, the human, and 4 calories for the bacteria of your biome living in your large intestine. The paste becomes a pre-biotic food.

    Umm.... I'm​ having a little trouble believing that refrigerating cooked pasta for twelve hours magically makes it calorie-free. Care to share some peer reviewed articles proving this? I'd love to read them.

    Look it up. Amylase starch converts at low temperatures. It happens in pasta and rice.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistant_starch

    That doesn't make it calorie-free and since when is Wikipedia a peer reviewed source?

    Well then, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/acute-ingestion-of-resistant-starch-reduces-food-intake-in-healthy-adults/522C623C0F2BAC7B1068F6E447A76486

    Here's a review http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1541-4337.2006.tb00076.x/full

    Here's more https://www.google.com/patents/US5281276

    It appears there may even be soon available a dry pasta made with resistant grains. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308814612013192


    I'll admit that it's not 0 calories to the human in a bowl of cold pasta, but it's something less than 100% of the Nutrition Facts label. I haven't tried to eat only cold pasta for a month and see if I could lose my ((NEAT*30)/3500) in weight.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    JeromeBarry1 wrote: »
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    JeromeBarry1 wrote: »
    Wynterbourne wrote: »
    JeromeBarry1 wrote: »
    A pasta carbohydrate gram is 4 calories just like any other carbohydrate gram. However, if you refrigerate the cooked pasta for 12 hours the pasta becomes resistant to digestion in your stomach and small intestine, effectively becoming 0 calories for you, the human, and 4 calories for the bacteria of your biome living in your large intestine. The paste becomes a pre-biotic food.

    Umm.... I'm​ having a little trouble believing that refrigerating cooked pasta for twelve hours magically makes it calorie-free. Care to share some peer reviewed articles proving this? I'd love to read them.

    Look it up. Amylase starch converts at low temperatures. It happens in pasta and rice.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistant_starch

    That doesn't make it calorie-free and since when is Wikipedia a peer reviewed source?

    Well then, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/acute-ingestion-of-resistant-starch-reduces-food-intake-in-healthy-adults/522C623C0F2BAC7B1068F6E447A76486

    Here's a review http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1541-4337.2006.tb00076.x/full

    I'm missing where either one of those makes a claim of zero calories for chilled pasta. The journal article talks about appetite reduction and metabolism.
  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    20 people on only two occasions in a single blind study ate less after eating cold pasta. That's what I just read on those links.

    Where does it state that the pasta has little to no calories?
  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    An acute randomised, single-blind crossover study, aimed to determine the effects of consumption of 48 g RS on appetite compared to energy and available carbohydrate-matched placebo. Twenty young healthy adult males consumed either 48 g RS or the placebo divided equally between two mixed meals on two separate occasions. Effects on appetite were assessed, using an ad libitum test meal and 24-h diet diaries for energy intake, and using visual analogue scales for subjective measures. Changes to postprandial glucose, insulin and C-peptide were also assessed. There was a significantly lower energy intake following the RS supplement compared to the placebo supplement at both the ad libitum test meal (5241 (sem 313) v. 5606 (sem 345) kJ, P = 0·033) and over the 24 h (12 603 (sem 519) v. 13 949 (sem 755) kJ, P = 0·044). However, there was no associated effect on subjective appetite measures. Postprandial plasma glucose concentrations were not significantly different between supplements, but there was a significantly lower postprandial insulin response following the RS supplement (P = 0·029). The corresponding C-peptide concentrations were not significantly different, although the ratio of C-peptide to insulin was higher following the RS supplement compared to placebo (P = 0·059). These results suggest that consumption of 48 g RS, over a 24-h period, may be useful in the management of the metabolic syndrome and appetite. Further studies are required to determine the exact mechanisms.

    This is what the link says for people for don't like to click links.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    Well fine, let's assume 48 grams of pure resistant starch reduces appetite by 300 calories. Do you have any idea how much resistant starch there is in cooled pasta? It certainly isn't 100%. Even if we assume 25% (it's likely much lower) you would need to consume at least 1000 or so calories in pasta (without the works) to have a 300 calorie reduction in appetite. I mean, I love pasta, but I'm not enough to exclusively live on it.
  • seantnash
    seantnash Posts: 77 Member
    Well firstly, a P value of 0.059 is an insignificant result so that's a false statement they've made.

    Secondly, it was given as a supplement so isn't representative of real food.

    Thirdly, it was only carried out on males.

    Fourthly, it was only carried out on "healthy" individuals - therefore those who are not overweight.

    Fifthly, the participants had to refrain from activity as much as possible during the investigation.

    Sixthly, the participants were told no caffeine, alcohol or strenuous activity for 24 hours before the study.

    But yeah, apart from all that, a really well designed study that represents real life so can be applied outside of the laboratory setting.
  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,463 Member
    I wouldn't even try to discuss it with him!
  • Ready2Rock206
    Ready2Rock206 Posts: 9,487 Member
    Steph38878 wrote: »
    I personally don't waste my time trying to convince others. Their opinion isn't my problem. As long as I know what's right and what works for me, I pretty much dismiss them. Not meaning to sound snarky or rude by any means.

    This totally. You're just wasting your time trying to convince him he's wrong. Just do what you know is right and don't worry about his beliefs.

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