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coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
Perhaps. You will lose fat. But not necessarily weight. Menopause plays all kinds of fun games with your hormones.36 -
I'm around people all day long that blame their weight problems on a slow metabolism, no time to exercise or cook.
My view would be very unpopular to them. I 100% believe eat less move more and make time.32 -
The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
So calorie counting - not very popular, but by far the most logical and efficient means to manage weight.42 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
Perhaps. You will lose fat. But not necessarily weight. Menopause plays all kinds of fun games with your hormones.
I can only assume you mixed up "fat" and "weight" in the sentence?11 -
coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.47 -
The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
So calorie counting - not very popular, but by far the most logical and efficient means to manage weight.
While I don't disagree with your last statement. I lost weight through intuitive eating. In fact, I maintained a healthy weight for about 40 years through intuitive eating and it was only when I stopped eating intuitively that I got fat for the first time. Went back to it and lost back down to a healthy weight.
I never balance my checkbook either. But seriously, who uses checks nowadays?14 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
Perhaps. You will lose fat. But not necessarily weight. Menopause plays all kinds of fun games with your hormones.
I can only assume you mixed up "fat" and "weight" in the sentence?
?? No. If eating at a deficit (eat 1500, burn 2000) you will lose fat, but if in menopause you may not lose weight.8 -
What would cause you to lose fat and not weight?4
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
So calorie counting - not very popular, but by far the most logical and efficient means to manage weight.
While I don't disagree with your last statement. I lost weight through intuitive eating. In fact, I maintained a healthy weight for about 40 years through intuitive eating and it was only when I stopped eating intuitively that I got fat for the first time. Went back to it and lost back down to a healthy weight.
I never balance my checkbook either. But seriously, who uses checks nowadays?
I did the same, but it was largely through my calorie output that established my deficit/maintenance. Some people do this naturally, the same manner that a small percentage handle finances without any awareness, but to extend this to a population? That's what I find absurd.3 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
Fat loss is as simple as CI<CO in menopause. But it may also be harder. Hormones regulate so much regarding hunger and metabolism. Your BMR may lower meaning that CO is lowered and you now have to eat less than before to lose. That doesn't negate CI<CO. Still if you consume less than your CO you will lose fat. But you may also gain and lose water weight constantly which makes it very hard to even know if you are losing fat.
Determining your CO is usually what makes losing during menopause harder. And the hormone swings. Sometimes it's like having PMS, including all the cravings, for weeks at a time or several times a month.21 -
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What would cause you to lose fat and not weight?
Water. I'm just about through with menopause now but in the worst of it I once gained 7.3 lbs overnight while eating a deficit. So while I may have lost 1/2 lb or so of fat for the week, I was still gaining weight. It's very frustrating.28 -
myheartsabattleground wrote: »I believe WLS is cheating.
I have issues with WLS as well, but it has a large amount of research to support its efficacy (although I don't think the research has looked closely enough at long-term effects).
Saying WLS is "cheating" is equivalent to saying that coronary angioplasty is "cheating", back surgery is "cheating", etc.
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What would cause you to lose fat and not weight?
Hormonal shifts commonly result in increased water weight. Biological systems abhor drastic changes and defend against this by cells taking on additional water to act as a defensive measure and protect the body - center mass in particular. This has a nominal impact on metabolism though.11 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
Fat loss is as simple as CI<CO in menopause. But it may also be harder. Hormones regulate so much regarding hunger and metabolism. Your BMR may lower meaning that CO is lowered and you now have to eat less than before to lose. That doesn't negate CI<CO. Still if you consume less than your CO you will lose fat. But you may also gain and lose water weight constantly which makes it very hard to even know if you are losing fat.
Determining your CO is usually what makes losing during menopause harder. And the hormone swings. Sometimes it's like having PMS, including all the cravings, for weeks at a time or several times a month.
I agree with everything you're saying EXCEPT for saying that CICO will guarantee fat loss.....
I thought you were saying you may have trouble during menopause because you may be catabolizing muscle and not able to lower your fat because of your hormones being out of whack. If you're losing fat, at some point, you will lose the weight once the water weight comes off....4 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »
I get that menopause changes things, and it no doubt does, but it doesn't keep your weight steady while losing fat.....4 -
Here's a good one: exercise is only for fitness, and anyone who doesn't agree is doing it wrong.15
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
Fat loss is as simple as CI<CO in menopause. But it may also be harder. Hormones regulate so much regarding hunger and metabolism. Your BMR may lower meaning that CO is lowered and you now have to eat less than before to lose. That doesn't negate CI<CO. Still if you consume less than your CO you will lose fat. But you may also gain and lose water weight constantly which makes it very hard to even know if you are losing fat.
Determining your CO is usually what makes losing during menopause harder. And the hormone swings. Sometimes it's like having PMS, including all the cravings, for weeks at a time or several times a month.
I agree with everything you're saying EXCEPT for saying that CICO will guarantee fat loss.....
I thought you were saying you may have trouble during menopause because you may be catabolizing muscle and not able to lower your fat because of your hormones being out of whack. If you're losing fat, at some point, you will lose the weight once the water weight comes off....
Yes, eventually. But if you are shooting for a small deficit to preserve muscle that loss can be a long time coming.6 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't hit menopause yet.
Menopause or not, you still will lose weight if you eat 1500 calories, and burn 2000 calories.
You REALLY have no idea what women's hormones do to our bodies, do you love? Decreased estrogen, slower metabolism, affects our ability to metabolize sugars, bone density declines, and SO MUCH MORE...all medical facts.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"The hormonal changes of menopause make you more likely to gain weight around your abdomen than around your hips and thighs."
But apparently both my GP and my OB/GYN don't know what they are talking about, either. It's not as simple as CICO once you cross 40. It's so much more complicated now that our hormones are shutting down. That's science, friend.
Fun Fact: Men have the same problem, they are now starting to call it MANopause. Just wait.
That quote is about the differences in where fat is stored on the body. That is clearly related to hormones. But you seem to be arguing that a menopausal body can store energy even when in a deficit. What is the source for that?18 -
The concept of intuitive eating. The idea that we are somehow supposed to know when to start or stop eating to maintain a subjective weight is entirely absurd. The endless threads of people leaving MFP and starting up again give a small degree of insight into this.
Expecting people to manage a checkbook without balancing is a little more plausible because once your expenses overtake your income, the consequences are immediate and direct. There are no such immediate consequences in weight management.
I love this. I do think there are alternatives to calorie counting that work, but they aren't intuitive eating and require some kind of monitoring.
Sure, some people don't have to think about it, perhaps, but they didn't get fat.8
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