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It’s click bait0
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*sigh* I was in the company of some folks yesterday who I had not seen in a while, and they noticed I had lost weight. That led to an in-depth discussion with one gentleman on weight loss methods, and revealed to me that apparently, my opinion that when a person does a low carb diet like the Atkins diet and goes into ketosis, that the body simply switches from using carbs to using stored fat, releasing ketones,and that whether you are doing high carb or low carb, that energy balance and CICO were what caused a person to lose weight, not necessarily what they were fueling their bodies with - I mistakenly made the claim that even if you are doing the paleo or Atkins diets, you still had to watch the calories in verses calories out in order to lose weight. He actually made the claim that when you are doing low carb and are in ketosis, you could eat a million calories a day and would lose weight!
Amazing! And here I thought that the point was energy balance, whether I was using glucose or ketones to power my body, when all along, it wasn't necessary at all to count calories and watch my intake! Well, at least I know it now before the holidays! *note: that was stated VERY tongue in cheek......*10 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »*sigh* I was in the company of some folks yesterday who I had not seen in a while, and they noticed I had lost weight. That led to an in-depth discussion with one gentleman on weight loss methods, and revealed to me that apparently, my opinion that when a person does a low carb diet like the Atkins diet and goes into ketosis, that the body simply switches from using carbs to using stored fat, releasing ketones,and that whether you are doing high carb or low carb, that energy balance and CICO were what caused a person to lose weight, not necessarily what they were fueling their bodies with - I mistakenly made the claim that even if you are doing the paleo or Atkins diets, you still had to watch the calories in verses calories out in order to lose weight. He actually made the claim that when you are doing low carb and are in ketosis, you could eat a million calories a day and would lose weight!
Amazing! And here I thought that the point was energy balance, whether I was using glucose or ketones to power my body, when all along, it wasn't necessary at all to count calories and watch my intake! Well, at least I know it now before the holidays! *note: that was stated VERY tongue in cheek......*
This just in: prolonged ketosis leads to death from starvation!
The dude didn't really think his argument through there.4 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »*sigh* I was in the company of some folks yesterday who I had not seen in a while, and they noticed I had lost weight. That led to an in-depth discussion with one gentleman on weight loss methods, and revealed to me that apparently, my opinion that when a person does a low carb diet like the Atkins diet and goes into ketosis, that the body simply switches from using carbs to using stored fat, releasing ketones,and that whether you are doing high carb or low carb, that energy balance and CICO were what caused a person to lose weight, not necessarily what they were fueling their bodies with - I mistakenly made the claim that even if you are doing the paleo or Atkins diets, you still had to watch the calories in verses calories out in order to lose weight. He actually made the claim that when you are doing low carb and are in ketosis, you could eat a million calories a day and would lose weight!
Amazing! And here I thought that the point was energy balance, whether I was using glucose or ketones to power my body, when all along, it wasn't necessary at all to count calories and watch my intake! Well, at least I know it now before the holidays! *note: that was stated VERY tongue in cheek......*
And how much weight had he lost so far, on those million calories or thereabouts?
Perhaps he's been successful on low carb - many here on MFP are, of course. But people I've had the analogous conversation with in real life have, to the last woman, been contrasting their I'm-stlll-overweight book-learnin' with my actual 50-plus-pounds-lost thin self standing right in front of them. "You can't lose weight eating carbs." Incredible.
(Jeez, used up my whole day's hyphen budget, and its only 1:30.
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stevencloser wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »*sigh* I was in the company of some folks yesterday who I had not seen in a while, and they noticed I had lost weight. That led to an in-depth discussion with one gentleman on weight loss methods, and revealed to me that apparently, my opinion that when a person does a low carb diet like the Atkins diet and goes into ketosis, that the body simply switches from using carbs to using stored fat, releasing ketones,and that whether you are doing high carb or low carb, that energy balance and CICO were what caused a person to lose weight, not necessarily what they were fueling their bodies with - I mistakenly made the claim that even if you are doing the paleo or Atkins diets, you still had to watch the calories in verses calories out in order to lose weight. He actually made the claim that when you are doing low carb and are in ketosis, you could eat a million calories a day and would lose weight!
Amazing! And here I thought that the point was energy balance, whether I was using glucose or ketones to power my body, when all along, it wasn't necessary at all to count calories and watch my intake! Well, at least I know it now before the holidays! *note: that was stated VERY tongue in cheek......*
This just in: prolonged ketosis leads to death from starvation!
The dude didn't really think his argument through there.
No, no: You just don't understand! His keto remakes the body into the perfect machine: Able to thrive at ideal weight on as much or little as you choose to feed it.
Darn science freaks just don't get it. 10 -
somebody needs to go back and read their own keto literature, because I haven't ever heard any such nonense, even from people like Mark Sisson.
A lot of them say that you don't have to count calories, but their reasoning is that if you follow their plan you'll only CRAVE the amount of calories you need, or slightly less.
Hell, if anything you have to count MORE diligently on a strict keto diet, because you have to watch for every gram of carbohydrate you can.
I've also never seen somebody advocate staying on a keto diet indefinitely. Most of them are pitched as specifically temporary diets to "retune" your body, woo or not.5 -
It's really common to hear claims that one can lose regardless of calories on keto. And even if they don't directly claim it or back down/hedge when pressed, that's clearly the concept behind all the "calories don't matter" assertions from diet gurus of all stripes (not just keto). Similarly, the "it's insulin, not calories" thing. On the whole MFP low carber/ketoers don't seem to buy into that koolaid, but you see it among some percentage of newbies who show up here and the occasional drive-by ketoevangelist who pops in to tell us all how to do it.
I've also seen plenty of people pushing keto as a good way to eat indefinitely (and I have no problem with that, if that's how someone likes eating). Tim Noakes is one example or even Phinney and Volek, who discuss keto as a way to eat, not just a way to diet. I listen to some keto podcasts (sometimes, I listen to vegan ones too), where the hosts are all about eating keto while training and so on, and not for weight loss specifically.
(I'm sure Jimmy Moore is also pushing keto for life, and while I have issues with him, since I find it bizarre he's supposed to be a diet expert, I suspect he may be responsible for a high percentage of newbie keto-ers, however much I don't get it. He seems popular and gets referenced a lot among newbies, including his over-the-top warnings about too much protein.)1 -
I don't think yoga is real exercise or actually burns any calories.17
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@sardelsa @SezxyStef @quiksylver296 I absolutely have done and currently do yoga. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's your body cooling down. I think my definition of real exercise is when my heart rate goes up, I'm out of breath, and I feel like I really worked. I do know yoga is work but it just doesn't feel the same, it does not give me that same sense of accomplishment or make me feel like there's going to be any sort of calorie deficit when I'm done.8
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Yes I have done yoga, thank you. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's our bodies cooling down.
I hate bikram. I don't feel like I get a good workout in it, either. Some good vinyasa class, though?!? Yeah, baby.8 -
Yes I have done yoga, thank you. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's our bodies cooling down.
I get what sweating is...but I also know this.
That I lift weights...heavy weights and can bench press my body weight and I am not strong enough yet to get into a lot of the yoga poses out there and hold them...so when you can and you believe those aren't real exercise or burns calories (btw just laying burns calories) come talk to us.
ETA these images...for example...tell me that these are not exercise...
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@sardelsa @SezxyStef @quiksylver296 I absolutely have done and currently do yoga. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's your body cooling down. I think my definition of real exercise is when my heart rate goes up, I'm out of breath, and I feel like I really worked. I do know yoga is work but it just doesn't feel the same, it does not give me that same sense of accomplishment or make me feel like there's going to be any sort of calorie deficit when I'm done.
Well sounds like we have a different definition of exercise. My heart rate doesn't go up that much and I am not out of breath when I am in the gym.. and my exercise actually does not put me in a calorie deficit. To me, exercise has nothing to do with calorie burn.20 -
@sardelsa @SezxyStef @quiksylver296 I absolutely have done and currently do yoga. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's your body cooling down. I think my definition of real exercise is when my heart rate goes up, I'm out of breath, and I feel like I really worked. I do know yoga is work but it just doesn't feel the same, it does not give me that same sense of accomplishment or make me feel like there's going to be any sort of calorie deficit when I'm done.
Well sounds like we have a different definition of exercise. My heart rate doesn't go up that much and I am not out of breath when I am in the gym.. and my exercise actually does not put me in a calorie deficit. To me, exercise has nothing to do with calorie burn.
Co-signed.11 -
@sardelsa @SezxyStef @quiksylver296 I absolutely have done and currently do yoga. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's your body cooling down. I think my definition of real exercise is when my heart rate goes up, I'm out of breath, and I feel like I really worked. I do know yoga is work but it just doesn't feel the same, it does not give me that same sense of accomplishment or make me feel like there's going to be any sort of calorie deficit when I'm done.
Well sounds like we have a different definition of exercise. My heart rate doesn't go up that much and I am not out of breath when I am in the gym.. and my exercise actually does not put me in a calorie deficit. To me, exercise has nothing to do with calorie burn.
Totally agree with that.
I can do a 5k run and not be out of breath or "feel" like I have worked...I can squat 140lbs x12 and be fine to.
Exercise for me is something you do to increase your fitness level and aid in being healthy...
calorie burns just mean I can eat more food...so yah no deficit after exercise.2 -
@sardelsa @SezxyStef @quiksylver296 I absolutely have done and currently do yoga. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's your body cooling down. I think my definition of real exercise is when my heart rate goes up, I'm out of breath, and I feel like I really worked. I do know yoga is work but it just doesn't feel the same, it does not give me that same sense of accomplishment or make me feel like there's going to be any sort of calorie deficit when I'm done.
Well sounds like we have a different definition of exercise. My heart rate doesn't go up that much and I am not out of breath when I am in the gym.. and my exercise actually does not put me in a calorie deficit. To me, exercise has nothing to do with calorie burn.
I respect that.0 -
Yes I have done yoga, thank you. I love bikram but I don't think it's a fat burning exercise as much stretching. And sweating a lot is not a gauge of how many calories you're burning, it's our bodies cooling down.
I get what sweating is...but I also know this.
That I lift weights...heavy weights and can bench press my body weight and I am not strong enough yet to get into a lot of the yoga poses out there and hold them...so when you can and you believe those aren't real exercise or burns calories (btw just laying burns calories) come talk to us.
ETA these images...for example...tell me that these are not exercise...
Good for you. I'll stick with what another person wrote, we have a different definition of exercise. It would also appear that our goals are very different as well.2
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