Glute Imbalance and Scapular Winging

Options
1235789

Replies

  • PAFC84
    PAFC84 Posts: 1,871 Member
    Options
    Im not an expert but it depends why it is misaligned, IMO. How did they ascertain that one leg is shorter than the other? Did they take an actual scan or xray or just test with their hands/visually? Be aware that some times problems felt in one area, can be a sign of a problem further up (or down) the body. My Osteo realigned my pelvis by making an adjustment in my neck.

    I'd say listen to the current specialist that you are seeing. A lot of health professionals are going to disagree about the causes or treatment of a problem but if you've given that professional a fair crack at the whip, it is time to try something else. I had an Osteo that originally told me that he could fix me in 6 sessions. 14 sessions later, I wasn't fixed so I left. He maintained his position but the results or lack of, spoke for themselves.

    Instead of worrying about not getting results for your money, try to think of it as eliminating another avenue of investigation.
  • tropicalchicy
    tropicalchicy Posts: 27 Member
    Options
    Wow!!! I just watched your video from your previous post. I had a very similar issue when squatting with weight - I never noticed the shift when squatting down but in the way up I have the same movement. Its like my hips and glutes on my right side give out. I dont have this issue with body weight only when loaded up with weights. I think I started to notice when lifting 40 kgs???

    I have never really looked into it, except for working with a trainer for a couple of months. Unfortunately it didn't help :(

    I now do yoga as my main form of exercise and have noticed no other issues.

    I know this post doesn't help you but it has helped me. I hope you are able to fix your imbalance and get the results you want. All the best!!
  • shannonc1115
    shannonc1115 Posts: 21 Member
    Options
    My boyfriend has these same issues, he has lifted since he was a teenager (just turned 50 this year). When he was in his 20s he noticed the same issues you were having and went to several doctors who told him nothing was wrong with him because he was so muscular. After 1 or 2 years of searching he finally found a doctor that diagnosed him with a rare form of MD which causes uneven muscle development. He is still ok and still has a strict work out regimen, but had to work to find exercised that really worked for him, he also takes a lot of time between sets to give his body time to recover. Co-Q10 helps a lot as well.
    If you notice that your older t-shirts look a little twisted when you hold them up or if you sleep with your eyes someone open at times, it is something to consider looking into. Good luck!
  • Avidkeo
    Avidkeo Posts: 3,190 Member
    Options
    Honesty you cannot yank a femur out of its socket. The muscles keeping your hip in its joint are too sturdy to allow a simple pulling to pull it out. That's why I say chiropractors are quacks. They rely on pseudoscience and don't look at the whole body.its all bones and "subluxations” which it a term they missuse.



  • darreneatschicken
    darreneatschicken Posts: 669 Member
    edited May 2018
    Options
    Just got off the phone with the athletic therapist.

    He said that he believes he can permanently fix my pelvis with enough manual manipulation, fascial release, and strengthening work.

    "Give it a few more sessions," he told me. "Then we'll see."

    Hopefully he can help me, because if not, then I dunno what my remaining options are.

    Maybe get x-rays from the doctor or find an osteo?
  • Avidkeo
    Avidkeo Posts: 3,190 Member
    Options
    Have you not had xrays yet? You could have a mild scoliosis which could explain your uneven hips. I'm a little surprised the chiropractor did not suggest it, though you should go through a proper Dr and get a radiologist to do a formal report.
  • Avidkeo
    Avidkeo Posts: 3,190 Member
    edited June 2018
    Options
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend
  • PAFC84
    PAFC84 Posts: 1,871 Member
    Options
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend

    Agree with your advice. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

    What is the basic sciatic nerve release stretch?
  • Avidkeo
    Avidkeo Posts: 3,190 Member
    Options
    PAFC84 wrote: »
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend

    Agree with your advice. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

    What is the basic sciatic nerve release stretch?

    Lay on your back on the floor, put your right foot over your left knee, like a figure 4, grab behind your left thigh - do not grab your left shin you may over compress your knee - gently pull your leg toward your chest, you will feel a gentle stretch deep into the glute of your right leg. Only pull if it doesn't hurt. Hold for 30 seconds, gently increasing the tension as you relax into the stretch. Repeat on the other side.

    This stretch gently stretches the muscles that the sciatic nerve runs past and may help ease symptoms.

    Please note, I am NOT a dr or physiotherapist. So do this stretch at your own risk.

    I do this one regularly, it's one of my favourite stretches.
  • PAFC84
    PAFC84 Posts: 1,871 Member
    Options
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    PAFC84 wrote: »
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend
    Avidkeo wrote: »
    Well you can't see sciatica on an xray. And scoliosis comes in many forms, some are just mild and aren't visible without a couple of specific tests. I slightly regret mentioning it now because I have fueled your obsession. I reiterate my previous post. Take a HUGE step back, stick with one health professional for a decent length of time - several months. Also you may just have issues with a particular exercise that nothing can fix. Stop fixating on what you can't do and spinning yourself into tighter and tighter circles. Concentrate on what you CAN do.

    Also have you done the basic sciatic nerve release stretch? It's a supine deep glute stretch. It's a godsend

    Agree with your advice. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

    What is the basic sciatic nerve release stretch?

    Lay on your back on the floor, put your right foot over your left knee, like a figure 4, grab behind your left thigh - do not grab your left shin you may over compress your knee - gently pull your leg toward your chest, you will feel a gentle stretch deep into the glute of your right leg. Only pull if it doesn't hurt. Hold for 30 seconds, gently increasing the tension as you relax into the stretch. Repeat on the other side.

    This stretch gently stretches the muscles that the sciatic nerve runs past and may help ease symptoms.

    Please note, I am NOT a dr or physiotherapist. So do this stretch at your own risk.

    I do this one regularly, it's one of my favourite stretches.

    Ah OK. I know the stretch. Its called the pretzel stretch, I believe. I've used it before-although I have to be careful I don't over do it with the left glute.
  • kiela64
    kiela64 Posts: 1,447 Member
    Options
    I’m sure you can find lots of info on the stretch online but this really caught my eye because my physiotherapist is having me do it and it’s really good! So that’s just the sheet she gave me.

    Reading your posts I noticed my shoulder does the same thing and I went to her about that too. I’ll honestly just reiterate the importance of sticking with something long enough to know if it’s right for you. I’ve had a great experience with my physio but honestly it’s taken me oh 6-8 months or so to strengthen my glutes doing exercises from her every day following her increases & suggestions.

    Yes there are professionals who will be wrong for you, but even then you can’t be sure until there’s no change over a long long time. I tried going to a chiropractor years ago about my sore knees and it was useless. I didn’t figure out why it was happening until I saw a physiotherapist who said my IT band was really tight - and I saw results over time. My knees still do hurt (literally like 2 years later) but now I know how to help them hurt less. It can be hard to be patient when you’re anxious but it’s necessary.

  • darreneatschicken
    darreneatschicken Posts: 669 Member
    Options
    I made an appointment to see the athletic therapist for a second time on Friday.

    Are you guys sure I shouldn't make an appointment to see my family doctor? I've been reading sciatica threads on reddit and bodybuilding, and almost everyone recommends seeing a doctor.
  • darreneatschicken
    darreneatschicken Posts: 669 Member
    edited June 2018
    Options
    kiela64 wrote: »
    I’m sure you can find lots of info on the stretch online but this really caught my eye because my physiotherapist is having me do it and it’s really good! So that’s just the sheet she gave me.

    Reading your posts I noticed my shoulder does the same thing and I went to her about that too. I’ll honestly just reiterate the importance of sticking with something long enough to know if it’s right for you. I’ve had a great experience with my physio but honestly it’s taken me oh 6-8 months or so to strengthen my glutes doing exercises from her every day following her increases & suggestions.

    Yes there are professionals who will be wrong for you, but even then you can’t be sure until there’s no change over a long long time. I tried going to a chiropractor years ago about my sore knees and it was useless. I didn’t figure out why it was happening until I saw a physiotherapist who said my IT band was really tight - and I saw results over time. My knees still do hurt (literally like 2 years later) but now I know how to help them hurt less. It can be hard to be patient when you’re anxious but it’s necessary.

    Thanks for showing me that sciatic nerve glide stretch. A lot of other people on the internet seem to recommend that stretch too.

    However, there are two versions: the lying down one, and the seated one (with legs hanging off a table). What's the difference between the two, and which one is better?

    Also, I'm at 20 reps now for that glute initiation exercise. Foam roll before, and stretch after. No pain so far.

    Going for 25 reps tomorrow.
  • Avidkeo
    Avidkeo Posts: 3,190 Member
    Options
    Dern420 wrote: »
    I made an appointment to see the athletic therapist for a second time on Friday.

    Are you guys sure I shouldn't make an appointment to see my family doctor? I've been reading sciatica threads on reddit and bodybuilding, and almost everyone recommends seeing a doctor.

    Discuss it with the therapist see what they suggest. Again you seem to be bouncing from one medical professional to another.
  • caracpowers
    caracpowers Posts: 5 Member
    Options
    I had a lot of the same imbalances. It took over a year to get my gluteus firing instead of my hamstrings. I’m still working on the left side almost three years later. I’ve been working on my shoulders for six months. They aren’t fixed yet, but I am lifting overhead without pain. Be patient. It took years to develop these problems. It will take years to fix them. The small milestones help, like the first time you do a single leg glute bridge without your hamstring taking over. It takes a ton of time daily for months to years to get “fixed” but if you’re persistent, you should see progress.
  • darreneatschicken
    darreneatschicken Posts: 669 Member
    edited June 2018
    Options
    caracpowers wrote: »
    I had a lot of the same imbalances. It took over a year to get my gluteus firing instead of my hamstrings. I’m still working on the left side almost three years later. I’ve been working on my shoulders for six months. They aren’t fixed yet, but I am lifting overhead without pain. Be patient. It took years to develop these problems. It will take years to fix them. The small milestones help, like the first time you do a single leg glute bridge without your hamstring taking over. It takes a ton of time daily for months to years to get “fixed” but if you’re persistent, you should see progress.

    What tips and tricks did you use to get your glutes firing instead of your hamstring?

    My athletic therapist gave me this glute initiation exercise where I lay flat on my stomach, flex both my glutes, and lift my left leg up (can be straight leg or bent leg he said).

    Whenever I lift that leg up, I feel the hamstrings kick in.

    Did 25 reps on Monday. Tuesday felt a bit of pain. Wednesday was quite a lot of pain. Today (Thursday) no pain.

    I'm seeing the athletic therapist tomorrow. $80 for 30 minutes, so I hope it's helpful...
  • darreneatschicken
    darreneatschicken Posts: 669 Member
    edited June 2018
    Options
    Also, regarding my shoulders: I can feel my upper and mid traps getting stronger from raising and lowering the wooden stick.

    I find that if I keep my traps shrugged up and forward during the entire movement (including on the way down), I don't get that cracking noise in my shoulders.

    However, the shoulder physio said to relax on the way down, so I'll have to ask him about this (seeing him next Friday... only $60 for an hour+).
  • kiela64
    kiela64 Posts: 1,447 Member
    Options
    Dern420 wrote: »
    kiela64 wrote: »
    I’m sure you can find lots of info on the stretch online but this really caught my eye because my physiotherapist is having me do it and it’s really good! So that’s just the sheet she gave me.

    Reading your posts I noticed my shoulder does the same thing and I went to her about that too. I’ll honestly just reiterate the importance of sticking with something long enough to know if it’s right for you. I’ve had a great experience with my physio but honestly it’s taken me oh 6-8 months or so to strengthen my glutes doing exercises from her every day following her increases & suggestions.

    Yes there are professionals who will be wrong for you, but even then you can’t be sure until there’s no change over a long long time. I tried going to a chiropractor years ago about my sore knees and it was useless. I didn’t figure out why it was happening until I saw a physiotherapist who said my IT band was really tight - and I saw results over time. My knees still do hurt (literally like 2 years later) but now I know how to help them hurt less. It can be hard to be patient when you’re anxious but it’s necessary.

    Thanks for showing me that sciatic nerve glide stretch. A lot of other people on the internet seem to recommend that stretch too.

    However, there are two versions: the lying down one, and the seated one (with legs hanging off a table). What's the difference between the two, and which one is better?

    Also, I'm at 20 reps now for that glute initiation exercise. Foam roll before, and stretch after. No pain so far.

    Going for 25 reps tomorrow.

    I think the variations can be personal preference/ability. Might be worth asking your physio person or googling. But I know for my hips, they are very flexible and I don’t feel a stretch unless I lay down and pull my leg towards me. But the nerve glide stretch is very challenging and I can barely grab my leg.

    Were you instructed to keep increasing repetitions? Only asking because my experience for glutes has been changes in the exercises over time. I was doing clamshells then banded clamshells and now the fire hydrant one. Also progressed from the bridge pose favouring one leg to doing single-leg brides now (gosh it’s hard!!). I’m definitely noticing my glutes engaging more now but still not in a balanced way. It’s been well over a year.

    Definitely takes time. I am sorry it’s so expensive for you though, my provinces insurance covers this for me because I was injured repeatedly lmao. Really makes you think healthcare needs to be more universal. This stuff is important for basic functioning...

Categories