how much carbs is too much carbs? - dietary help
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Carbs are one of the essential nutrients along with protein, fat, vitamins, minerals and water. It's all about the calories in weight loss. Nutrients are a different story.
I took a quick look at your food list above. The one thing that struck me is you don't seem to eat any vegetables. What about swapping out something for a large salad or several servings of other vegetables? Vegetables are the carbs I choose first.
Just to point out, carbs are not an essential macronutrient. Your body can create glucose by converting fats/proteins through glucenogenesis. Carbs can make a body run optimally though, increase exercise recovery, protect muscle, etc....
OP, what are your stats? That will determine if 2 lbs is aggressive or even feasible.
Wow! 4 woos for posting flat out scientific fact about essential nutrients? I'd say some folks need to use google and get simple answers before hitting the woo button....
Some people don't like facts. Shocking right? Sadly, this is coming from a volume carb eater.
Yes. I've seen this happen lately when a simple, easily researchable fact is presented and it gets multiple woos. Makes you wonder.....
They mean "woo hoo" as in "good job on presenting useful information".
Of course if the Woo button had been more clearly defined, we wouldn't have the confusion.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
Keto is popular here though. It's the statements like this that people have issues with :When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode.
There are a quite a few scientifically minded people here so things that are inaccurate get pointed out.15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
IMO, a statement like "Unless you are an athlete or fitness enthusiast, your carbs are very high. Calories in and out is important, but it's not everything. When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode" does make it sound like you think OP will not lose weight unless she restricts carbohydrates. It sounded like you were claiming that her body was in fat storage mode due to her carbohydrate intake. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologize.
Yes, if you don't have a solid establishment for your recommendations, it is usually better to stick to your personal experiences. People coming here for advice have often been pummeled by pseudoscience and faulty information about weight loss for years (or decades!). Adding to that flood, even with good intentions, isn't helpful.
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goodtroyes wrote: »yeah yesterday wasn't my best day food wise and i didn't have any vegetables
OP, I'm sorry your thread got derailed by an argument, but you've already gotten lots of good info. There is no one magic number for "how much carbs". Most veteran MFPers focus on hitting or slightly exceeding their fat and protein goals, and let carbs fall where they may.
What helped me was to focus on hitting my protein and fat numbers. I don't pay much attention to carbs at all. I eat 1500-1600 cals and try to get over 90g of protein and 40g of fat. So I'm usually at 50% carbs and 25% protein, 25% fat. There is nothing wrong with bread and crackers, if you like them, eat them! Just make sure you aren't eating so much bread that you can't fulfill your other goals. Good luck :drinker:11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
IMO, a statement like "Unless you are an athlete or fitness enthusiast, your carbs are very high. Calories in and out is important, but it's not everything. When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode" does make it sound like you think OP will not lose weight unless she restricts carbohydrates. It sounded like you were claiming that her body was in fat storage mode due to her carbohydrate intake. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologize.
Yes, if you don't have a solid establishment for your recommendations, it is usually better to stick to your personal experiences. People coming here for advice have often been pummeled by pseudoscience and faulty information about weight loss for years (or decades!). Adding to that flood, even with good intentions, isn't helpful.
Okay, point taken. I'll be more careful of the words I choose in the future. Thank you for pointing this out in a diplomatic way.9 -
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/11/why-we-fell-for-clean-eatingHarlemNY17 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »HarlemNY17 wrote: »They telling you carbs don't matter when it does . We all have a certain amount of carbs to consume daily for a reason . NONE of these people are (doctors) so please talk with a doctor and get the correct information
Lol...look up "blue zones"...they are some of the healthiest populations in the world and consume diets relatively high in carbohydrates.
Lemme guess...you're keto right?
I don't label my diets I just eat CLEAN I don't look into diet programs or plans . Yea but you read that off the internet....if your high in carbs you need to be high in protein . And some fats .... her protein and fat lvls are very low . That's why she needs to see her doctor for recommendations
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Just speaking from my experience....I have PCOS and I am insulin resistant, so carbs matter for me. I have to be careful with them and I have to be a little more meticulous with my macros.
However, my endocrinologist did tell me that carbs are still important for sustaining energy levels and she was very direct in her guidelines to not go too low with carbs. I am revamping my diet a little now and I am seeing results.
But, BIG but, my situation is a little more unique than the average person (my hormone levels are whack, for real) and I have medical reasons (infertility and preparing for IVF) for how I handle my food consumption. I currently am doing 30% carbs, 40% fat and 30% protein (trying to aim for 40% protein and 30% fat though, but not freaking over it).
The thing is, everyone is different with different medical issues, circumstances and lifestyles. Do what works for you, if that means lowering carbs, great. If not, no big deal. You will know what is working based on results over time.
If you are still unsure, I suggest having a check up with your doctor and asking for a referral to a registered dietitian.11 -
HarlemNY17 wrote: »
Actually I don't need to be a REGISTERED dietitian to know what I'm talking about . I think going to school and getting my high school diploma was enough however by her post she's confused and ppl are giving the wrong information by saying it doesn't matter. I failed my diet in the past thinking it was all about DEFICIT till I learned a lot and have helped others I know that was going through the same exact thing! Like I said she needs a doctor !! But since your a "REGISTERED DIETITIAN" I better not see nobody on here fail they DIETdeannalfisher wrote: »HarlemNY17 wrote: »Unless you are an athlete or fitness enthusiast, your carbs are very high. Calories in and out is important, but it's not everything. When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode.
My advice, increase your fat and protein intake and lower your carbs. I'm 5'4, 122 lbs and train 3-4 times a week and I eat under 20g of NET carbs a day (Keto). I'm not suggesting you go keto, but if you aren't burning off that glycogen why are you eating so much of it?
Hope that helps, good luck
Thank you!!!!! Ugh finally someone who understands these things are important! This is what you call on track with a (healthy) diet.... theirs so many comments that ppl posted and have no clue on what their talking about
and you do? can you provide your credentials as a registered dietician, because that is who I and many many others work with (specifically mine - 4 with PhD in Nutrition and dietetics, 1 with a PhD in exercise physiology) - mine develop customized nutrition plans, and little to none of this low carb stuff - in fact the vast majority of people come from low calorie/low carb backgrounds and are making huge gains in health and wellbeing by increasing carbs and adequately fueling bodies
Nutrition is not about having a particular set of macro percentages, there is a huge range that is perfectly healthful.
Nutrition is about what you choose within those macros and meeting your nutritional requirements.
I don't think it's true to say that for nutrition it does not matter what you eat, but outside of absurd extremes that almost no one would fall into without really trying, I don't think macros matter, and over focus on macros unless for a specific reason (some feel better on low carb, need more carbs for particular training, need more protein for specific purposes, etc.) usually indicates to me that they are not particularly knowledgeable about nutrition.
The suggestion that doctors care about macros is particularly amusing, unless this is a specific person with an insulin issue (and even then it's more than just hitting particular macro numbers).
We don't know enough about what OP is doing to make comments (other than about logging) anyway, since one day is just one day and her macros aren't accurate anyhow, even for that day, given the entries used. To judge her diet on one day is, well, odd.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.10 -
So is this what people mean when they say "And it's not even Friday yet!"?10
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lemurcat12 wrote: »The suggestion that doctors care about macros is particularly amusing, unless this is a specific person with an insulin issue (and even then it's more than just hitting particular macro numbers).
Tangential anecdote here, but my husband had a routine physical completed last August with our new doctor (actually the office's NP). He's 5'8", ~180# & just under 13% body fat. He's been lifting for a few years & had been cutting a bit before his appointment.
He got his lab results in the mail about a week later - his total cholesterol was in the 120s, triglycerides were in the mid 20s...but he had an odd liver function test come back elevated. On the results page was a note that said the elevated results were likely due to being overweight, & he should go on a low carb, low fat diet, & recheck the results in 6-9 months. After some research, we discovered that particular lab test can be elevated in individuals who lift heavy, particularly when they have blood drawn shortly after a big lift.
We had a hearty chuckle over a "low carb, low fat diet." The guy eats an enormous amount of protein already...what the hell else is he going to eat? Lol
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@goodtroyes trust your brain/body you asked "is this to many carbs?" if you are asking you probably think it is. It certainly could be for you. There is no one here that is you other than yourself. We have not been through your life experiences. You will have to experiment and tweak things as you go to find out what works best for you.
One thing I noticed about your eating there were lots of refined carbs and No veggies.The closest you get are the cherries, banana, and raisins all very sweet, and fruit.
There is not one "way of eating" that does not agree with dark green leafy veggies are good for you.
If you increase your veggies you will automatically decrease your carbs sense spinach has less carbs than any bread.
Try to increase your veggy intake. If you don't like them hide them in your food. a kale, blueberry, banana smoothy for breakfast, or a grilled cheese sandwich with grilled vegetables for lunch, and vegetable beef soup and salad for dinner.
Disclaimer: I am on Keto doing 35 grams of carbs (most days all my carbs come from vegetables) I track fiber and will eat for net carbs. I also believe that if you (anyone not specifically you) are eating refined carbs you should not be eating meats/dairy/or eggs.7 -
In addition, some people are more insulin resistant than others. That's why some people can get away with eating higher amounts of carbs than others. This is why some people need to be under 20g net carbs to while others can be at 50g and still be in ketosis.
No traditional human diets result in people being consistently in ketosis.
That's not to say ketosis is bad; I think it's probably fine, and has some health benefits in very specific populations. But it kills the idea that it's some beneficial state for the body that we all should aspire to be in.
I think it would be really hard to get adequate (to my mind) vegetables on less than 20 g carbs, so although I understand that can be a reasonable diet for some for a variety of reasons, I always find it odd when people push it as healthier in general. I found I had to cut back on vegetables to get to 50 g (which I found unacceptable), and of course it leaves little or no room for fruit and plenty of other foods that can have a place in a healthful diet.
Good human diets have a huge range of macros. They are more similar on some other things.9 -
My4happykids wrote: »@goodtroyes trust your brain/body you asked "is this to many carbs?" if you are asking you probably think it is. It certainly could be for you. There is no one here that is you other than yourself. We have not been through your life experiences. You will have to experiment and tweak things as you go to find out what works best for you.
One thing I noticed about your eating there were lots of refined carbs and No veggies.The closest you get are the cherries, banana, and raisins all very sweet, and fruit.
There is not one "way of eating" that does not agree with dark green leafy veggies are good for you.
If you increase your veggies you will automatically decrease your carbs sense spinach has less carbs than any bread.
Try to increase your veggy intake. If you don't like them hide them in your food. a kale, blueberry, banana smoothy for breakfast, or a grilled cheese sandwich with grilled vegetables for lunch, and vegetable beef soup and salad for dinner.
Disclaimer: I am on Keto doing 35 grams of carbs (most days all my carbs come from vegetables) I track fiber and will eat for net carbs. I also believe that if you (anyone not specifically you) are eating refined carbs you should not be eating meats/dairy/or eggs.
What happens when I eat refined carbs and animal sourced protein?7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate11 -
Why don't you explain it and cite your sources?
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Unless you are an athlete or fitness enthusiast, your carbs are very high. Calories in and out is important, but it's not everything. When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode.
My advice, increase your fat and protein intake and lower your carbs. I'm 5'4, 122 lbs and train 3-4 times a week and I eat under 20g of NET carbs a day (Keto). I'm not suggesting you go keto, but if you aren't burning off that glycogen why are you eating so much of it?
Hope that helps, good luck
An average body has a storage capacity of 300-500g of carbs (more if you workout). And considering that when losing weight, you cut down on carbs naturally, I'd doubt someone (even a plant based follower) would exceed those levels.
And realistically, one can store fat regardless of insulin levels. Your body is evolved to have multiple hormones to store nutrients; insulin, acylation stimulating protein, glucose-dependent insulintropic peptide to name a few.
She's not exceeding her glycogen stores.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
There is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit. That's simple physiology.12 -
goodtroyes wrote: »yeah yesterday wasn't my best day food wise and i didn't have any vegetables
OP, I'm sorry your thread got derailed by an argument, but you've already gotten lots of good info. There is no one magic number for "how much carbs". Most veteran MFPers focus on hitting or slightly exceeding their fat and protein goals, and let carbs fall where they may.
What helped me was to focus on hitting my protein and fat numbers. I don't pay much attention to carbs at all. I eat 1500-1600 cals and try to get over 90g of protein and 40g of fat. So I'm usually at 50% carbs and 25% protein, 25% fat. There is nothing wrong with bread and crackers, if you like them, eat them! Just make sure you aren't eating so much bread that you can't fulfill your other goals. Good luck :drinker:
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
There is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit. That's simple physiology.
No one is arguing there is a net fat storage. If I eat one meal a day, I will store fat now and if I am in a deficit, I will burn what I stored and more over the next 24 hours before my next meal for the day. Doesn't mean I haven't stored fat.8 -
HarlemNY17 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »HarlemNY17 wrote: »They telling you carbs don't matter when it does . We all have a certain amount of carbs to consume daily for a reason . NONE of these people are (doctors) so please talk with a doctor and get the correct information
Lol...look up "blue zones"...they are some of the healthiest populations in the world and consume diets relatively high in carbohydrates.
Lemme guess...you're keto right?
I don't label my diets I just eat CLEAN I don't look into diet programs or plans . Yea but you read that off the internet....if your high in carbs you need to be high in protein . And some fats .... her protein and fat lvls are very low . That's why she needs to see her doctor for recommendations
You don't label your diets...but you label it "clean"...got it.
By the by, there are a lot of "clean" carbohydrates as well.
No, you don't need to be high in protein if you're high carb...most people who are higher carb are more moderate protein and fat.
While I would say she's not getting optimal levels of protein, she's getting enough and would appear to be at or over the RDA...again, not optimal, but also not detrimental to anything.
I would personally think dieting is easier by reducing carbs (not necessarily low carb), but that's just me and carbs are an easy thing to flex in and out of your diet...
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
And people don't care about this outside of the context of net fat storage, which is entirely dependent on energy balance, and has nothing to do with any of this. You're muddying the waters.13 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
There is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit. That's simple physiology.
No one is arguing there is a net fat storage. If I eat one meal a day, I will store fat now and if I am in a deficit, I will burn what I stored and more over the next 24 hours before my next meal for the day. Doesn't mean I haven't stored fat.
So this seems like something that is completely unnecessary and distracting for OP to think about in the context of her *being in a deficit*.
How does this help OP?11 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
There is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit. That's simple physiology.
No one is arguing there is a net fat storage. If I eat one meal a day, I will store fat now and if I am in a deficit, I will burn what I stored and more over the next 24 hours before my next meal for the day. Doesn't mean I haven't stored fat.
So how exactly is that relevant to anything? Our bodies are in continually fluctuating states of lipogenesis and lipolysis. What matters is the net effect over time.7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
And people don't care about this outside of the context of net fat storage, which is entirely dependent on energy balance, and has nothing to do with any of this. You're muddying the waters.
No I am defending the person who has been attacked for putting up "inaccurate information" when it wasn't7 -
@VintageFeline What happens when I eat refined carbs and animal sourced protein? In my observations Bloating and bad digestion. I can't say it would happen for everyone thus the disclaimer and belief statement.0
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
So then what happens when glycogen stores are filled and excess glucose is in your blood? Insulin rises. And then fat is stored... it's not inaccurate
There is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit. That's simple physiology.
No one is arguing there is a net fat storage. If I eat one meal a day, I will store fat now and if I am in a deficit, I will burn what I stored and more over the next 24 hours before my next meal for the day. Doesn't mean I haven't stored fat.
And who cares if there's no net fat storage? No one. Congratulations, you've made a point about the digestive process to pick a nit just to confuse the issue.6 -
Now everyone wants to get back on topic? Haha nice guys. Basic physiology
https://examine.com/nutrition/how-are-carbohydrates-converted-into-fat-deposits/8 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »So is this what people mean when they say "And it's not even Friday yet!"?
Ayup.
Friday's in January are particularly fun.8
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