how much carbs is too much carbs? - dietary help
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Yes, OP is having too much carbohydrates and not enough protein
Making that determination on the basis of a single day (one that the OP says wasn't "very good," as in possibly not completely representational of how she usually eats) seems hasty.
I was just thinking this. Also didn't see OP's stats anywhere, so that further blurs his/her needs. Also a few entries were questionable (egg had only calories listed, I think?).
Exactly, it's a bum entry for eggs (and who knows -- maybe some other things). Any professional who would base an opinion that someone wasn't eating enough protein based on a single day of faulty logging . . . not somebody I would have a lot of confidence in, even before they began telling me that I need to worry about a bit of temporary fat storage while I'm losing fat overall in a deficit.
When did I say it was something she should worry about?
Just proving that it's true and that it would be gone by the next day. Some people come on here and give valid true information in the wrong context and everyone decides to attack them and tell them everything they've said is wrong. Everything that person said was true but the context they used made it seem dramatic.
So you're saying it's not relevant to the OP? Okay. Again, I'm really unclear what you're trying to accomplish here.
No worries, I was having a back and forth with @mmapags, so I shall wait until he returns
So, you want points because you proved that excess blood glucose gets stored as fat? The OP is in a calorie deficit, as others have pointed out. Net fat storage in a day = 0. Please teach us all exactly how glycogen overflow works and how it triggers insulin. As has been pointed out, the likelihood of glycogen reserves being filled to capacity is pretty much nil. If you've got studies on the physiological mechanism that shows glycogen "overflow" put 'em up.
You literally have no clue. Haha just because a trained athlete can hold 1,000g of carbs in their body doesn't mean to keep their glycogen stores full they need to eat 1000g a day lol just because you can store a lot, if you're not training hard, you'll likely refill your liver glycogen very quickly and will not need to do much to refill muscle glycogen9 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Yes, OP is having too much carbohydrates and not enough protein
Making that determination on the basis of a single day (one that the OP says wasn't "very good," as in possibly not completely representational of how she usually eats) seems hasty.
I was just thinking this. Also didn't see OP's stats anywhere, so that further blurs his/her needs. Also a few entries were questionable (egg had only calories listed, I think?).
Exactly, it's a bum entry for eggs (and who knows -- maybe some other things). Any professional who would base an opinion that someone wasn't eating enough protein based on a single day of faulty logging . . . not somebody I would have a lot of confidence in, even before they began telling me that I need to worry about a bit of temporary fat storage while I'm losing fat overall in a deficit.
When did I say it was something she should worry about?
Just proving that it's true and that it would be gone by the next day. Some people come on here and give valid true information in the wrong context and everyone decides to attack them and tell them everything they've said is wrong. Everything that person said was true but the context they used made it seem dramatic.
So you're saying it's not relevant to the OP? Okay. Again, I'm really unclear what you're trying to accomplish here.
No worries, I was having a back and forth with @mmapags, so I shall wait until he returns
So, you want points because you proved that excess blood glucose gets stored as fat? The OP is in a calorie deficit, as others have pointed out. Net fat storage in a day = 0. Please teach us all exactly how glycogen overflow works and how it triggers insulin. As has been pointed out, the likelihood of glycogen reserves being filled to capacity is pretty much nil. If you've got studies on the physiological mechanism that shows glycogen "overflow" put 'em up.
You literally have no clue. Haha just because a trained athlete can hold 1,000g of carbs in their body doesn't mean to keep their glycogen stores full they need to eat 1000g a day lol just because you can store a lot, if you're not training hard, you'll likely refill your liver glycogen very quickly and will not need to do much to refill muscle glycogen
By the OP? Context, dude.
What even are you talking about, or are you just in a measuring contest at this point?11 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Yes, OP is having too much carbohydrates and not enough protein
Making that determination on the basis of a single day (one that the OP says wasn't "very good," as in possibly not completely representational of how she usually eats) seems hasty.
I was just thinking this. Also didn't see OP's stats anywhere, so that further blurs his/her needs. Also a few entries were questionable (egg had only calories listed, I think?).
Exactly, it's a bum entry for eggs (and who knows -- maybe some other things). Any professional who would base an opinion that someone wasn't eating enough protein based on a single day of faulty logging . . . not somebody I would have a lot of confidence in, even before they began telling me that I need to worry about a bit of temporary fat storage while I'm losing fat overall in a deficit.
When did I say it was something she should worry about?
Just proving that it's true and that it would be gone by the next day. Some people come on here and give valid true information in the wrong context and everyone decides to attack them and tell them everything they've said is wrong. Everything that person said was true but the context they used made it seem dramatic.
So you're saying it's not relevant to the OP? Okay. Again, I'm really unclear what you're trying to accomplish here.
No worries, I was having a back and forth with @mmapags, so I shall wait until he returns
So, you want points because you proved that excess blood glucose gets stored as fat? The OP is in a calorie deficit, as others have pointed out. Net fat storage in a day = 0. Please teach us all exactly how glycogen overflow works and how it triggers insulin. As has been pointed out, the likelihood of glycogen reserves being filled to capacity is pretty much nil. If you've got studies on the physiological mechanism that shows glycogen "overflow" put 'em up.
You literally have no clue. Haha just because a trained athlete can hold 1,000g of carbs in their body doesn't mean to keep their glycogen stores full they need to eat 1000g a day lol just because you can store a lot, if you're not training hard, you'll likely refill your liver glycogen very quickly and will not need to do much to refill muscle glycogen
Ironic post is ironic! Lol
You still have not done a thing to proven "glycogen overflow" with any proof source other than your own "opinions". I wouldn't expect anything else.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
Not accurate and any way? And no scientific basis?
Just thought I'd bring us back to where we started and see how you feel about it now9 -
Not relevant to the thread, but since you asked I'll respond:
6'6", 205 lbs., 55 years old. Lost 65 pounds from my top weight of 270, which was two years ago this month.I'm sorry, what are your STATS?
Very. Good vitals, no illnesses/diseases and I take no meds for anything.Are you healthy?
Around 14-15%.What's your BF?
Tons. I lift weights 3x/week and do cardio 3-4x/week, along with various other activities.Do you have energy?
Tan, clean and awesome.How's your skin?
Perfect. Never had an issue my entire life despite spending over 30 years in a highly stressful career which results in PTSD for many in the field.Your mental health?
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you.Should I wake up and eat what you eat and train with you tomorrow?
Thanks for your concern, but I've been at my goal weight for several months and really not worried about anything damping my weight loss efforts.Lighten up--you'll increase your cortisol working yourself up to prove others wrong which WILL damper your weight loss efforts.
Good for you! Definitely don't want to train/eat like you because I am also at my goal weight and am very healthy in all areas of my life as well. My point I was trying to make earlier, do what works for YOU and maybe try not to make your chief aim in life to correct everyone.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
You didn't get backlash over an unpopular belief. You got backlash specifically over the claim of "glycogen overflow, insulin spike, fat storage". It is just not accurate in any way and has no scientific basis. People do that kind of thing here all the time and those less well read, might buy into it.
Post your personal experience all you want. If you are going to make claims about physiology, or other scientific claims, they will be challenged if not accurate. That is reasonable and it doesn't make anyone negative. It makes them accurate and interested in truth. Take it as a healthy, if uncomfortable, learning experience.
Not accurate and any way? And no scientific basis?
Just thought I'd bring us back to where we started and see how you feel about it now
Fine! Thanks for asking!4 -
Not relevant to the thread, but since you asked I'll respond:
6'6", 205 lbs., 55 years old. Lost 65 pounds from my top weight of 270, which was two years ago this month.I'm sorry, what are your STATS?
Very. Good vitals, no illnesses/diseases and I take no meds for anything.Are you healthy?
Around 14-15%.What's your BF?
Tons. I lift weights 3x/week and do cardio 3-4x/week, along with various other activities.Do you have energy?
Tan, clean and awesome.How's your skin?
Perfect. Never had an issue my entire life despite spending over 30 years in a highly stressful career which results in PTSD for many in the field.Your mental health?
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you.Should I wake up and eat what you eat and train with you tomorrow?
Thanks for your concern, but I've been at my goal weight for several months and really not worried about anything damping my weight loss efforts.Lighten up--you'll increase your cortisol working yourself up to prove others wrong which WILL damper your weight loss efforts.
Good for you! Definitely don't want to train/eat like you because I am also at my goal weight and am very healthy in all areas of my life as well. My point I was trying to make earlier, do what works for YOU and maybe try not to make your chief aim in life to correct everyone.
Posting accurate scientific information calls for being chided now?15 -
goodtroyes wrote: »just to add that what i showed in my food entry for that day isn't what i planned to eat for all of my weight loss journey. yesterday wasn't a great day in terms of food but it's only day 3
That's okay! You don't have to be perfect every day. You don't even have to be perfect most days, just good enough. The person best equipped to tell whether or not your carbs are too high is you. Your still in the early days so now is the perfect time to play around with your macros and see what makes you feel the best. Drop your carbs low for a while, raise them high, try different combinations of foods and new recipes. Just keep an eye on how you feel and how your energy and performance levels are and adjust as you go. With time, you'll dial in on the right macros for you.
You can work on your logging as you go. Things like that egg entry -- see how it has no macros at all listed? That's not possible for a food with more than trivial calories in it. Those calories have to come from either fat, protein, or carbs. The database has a bunch of badly entered foods in it, so watch out for them as you go.
Now that certain debates are happening here, the thread will (and has) veer off course. Know that it's not about you or your logging for the most part anymore. If you want to close the thread or anything like that, you always have the option to hit the flag button (or the three dots in the top righthand corner if you're on mobile) and choose report and "this is my thread and I want to delete it" and the mods can take care of it for you. You don't have to. I just wanted to make sure you know it's an option if you feel like it gets out of hand.
You're off to a great start on your journey, even if it doesn't feel that way just yet. Soaking in information and asking questions is great. You've got this!11 -
@VintageFeline starchy carbs (sweet potato, winter squash, potatoes, brown rice, whole grains, and beans) what I assume you mean by what you said are different then refined carbs (white bread, white rice, and the"value added products") which is what I said. Without going off the refined products there is no way to know if you are having a problem that you just thought was "normal"8
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not relevant to the thread, but since you asked I'll respond:
6'6", 205 lbs., 55 years old. Lost 65 pounds from my top weight of 270, which was two years ago this month.I'm sorry, what are your STATS?
Very. Good vitals, no illnesses/diseases and I take no meds for anything.Are you healthy?
Around 14-15%.What's your BF?
Tons. I lift weights 3x/week and do cardio 3-4x/week, along with various other activities.Do you have energy?
Tan, clean and awesome.How's your skin?
Perfect. Never had an issue my entire life despite spending over 30 years in a highly stressful career which results in PTSD for many in the field.Your mental health?
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you.Should I wake up and eat what you eat and train with you tomorrow?
Thanks for your concern, but I've been at my goal weight for several months and really not worried about anything damping my weight loss efforts.Lighten up--you'll increase your cortisol working yourself up to prove others wrong which WILL damper your weight loss efforts.
Good for you! Definitely don't want to train/eat like you because I am also at my goal weight and am very healthy in all areas of my life as well. My point I was trying to make earlier, do what works for YOU and maybe try not to make your chief aim in life to correct everyone.
Posting accurate scientific information calls for being chided now?
"Alcohol isn't used as fuel per se"
Yes very scientific haha8 -
goodtroyes wrote: »just to add that what i showed in my food entry for that day isn't what i planned to eat for all of my weight loss journey. yesterday wasn't a great day in terms of food but it's only day 3
Baby steps! Learning how to log properly is a learning curve. Have you read the threads in the forum stickies? I found them really helpful for teaching me the basics of logging properly.
Don't worry about the debates going on in your thread, that happens around here.6 -
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »goodtroyes wrote: »just to add that what i showed in my food entry for that day isn't what i planned to eat for all of my weight loss journey. yesterday wasn't a great day in terms of food but it's only day 3
Baby steps! Learning how to log properly is a learning curve. Have you read the threads in the forum stickies? I found them really helpful for teaching me the basics of logging properly.
Don't worry about the debates going on in your thread, that happens around here.
While you yourself just added to the debate....LOL11 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »"Alcohol isn't used as fuel per se"
Yes very scientific haha
Do you understand where and how alcohol is oxidized in the body?
Rhetorical question. I already know the answer.)
What are the resulting metabolites, and how are they used as fuel by the body? What are the uptake mechanisms and what specific purpose do they serve? Is alcohol anabolic or catabolic? Lipogenic or lipolytic? Glycogenic or glycolytic? If it's a fuel, it has some beneficial/useful function in the body, correct?6 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »goodtroyes wrote: »just to add that what i showed in my food entry for that day isn't what i planned to eat for all of my weight loss journey. yesterday wasn't a great day in terms of food but it's only day 3
Baby steps! Learning how to log properly is a learning curve. Have you read the threads in the forum stickies? I found them really helpful for teaching me the basics of logging properly.
Don't worry about the debates going on in your thread, that happens around here.
While you yourself just added to the debate....LOL
Hahaha the crazinesssssss lol7 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not relevant to the thread, but since you asked I'll respond:
6'6", 205 lbs., 55 years old. Lost 65 pounds from my top weight of 270, which was two years ago this month.I'm sorry, what are your STATS?
Very. Good vitals, no illnesses/diseases and I take no meds for anything.Are you healthy?
Around 14-15%.What's your BF?
Tons. I lift weights 3x/week and do cardio 3-4x/week, along with various other activities.Do you have energy?
Tan, clean and awesome.How's your skin?
Perfect. Never had an issue my entire life despite spending over 30 years in a highly stressful career which results in PTSD for many in the field.Your mental health?
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you.Should I wake up and eat what you eat and train with you tomorrow?
Thanks for your concern, but I've been at my goal weight for several months and really not worried about anything damping my weight loss efforts.Lighten up--you'll increase your cortisol working yourself up to prove others wrong which WILL damper your weight loss efforts.
Good for you! Definitely don't want to train/eat like you because I am also at my goal weight and am very healthy in all areas of my life as well. My point I was trying to make earlier, do what works for YOU and maybe try not to make your chief aim in life to correct everyone.
Posting accurate scientific information calls for being chided now?
"Alcohol isn't used as fuel per se"
Yes very scientific haha
Yes, yes it is scientific.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484320/. However, unlike carbohydrates (glycogen in liver and muscle) and fat (triglycerides in adipose tissues and liver) which can be stored and utilized in time of need e.g. fasting, alcohol is not stored and remains in body water until eliminated.7 -
My4happykids wrote: »@VintageFeline starchy carbs (sweet potato, winter squash, potatoes, brown rice, whole grains, and beans) what I assume you mean by what you said are different then refined carbs (white bread, white rice, and the"value added products") which is what I said. Without going off the refined products there is no way to know if you are having a problem that you just thought was "normal"
I don't even understand this. I eat all carbs. All of them. Of every colour and supposed levels of refined. I have absolutely no issues. I don't know what issues you think I might be ignorant of. I happen to not eat a lot of so called "white refined carbs" because I prefer others but when I do eat them my body reacts no differently to any other starchy carbs.3 -
goodtroyes, I am sorry for the debate that my comment caused. my intention was not to start an argument and i should have delivered my message through personal experience. next time i claim information, i'll be sure to have research for you and others to fall back on.
lowering my carb intake significantly really did work for ME, but other people have had success with higher carbs. Research and figure out what works best for you. Good luck on your journey
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My4happykids wrote: »@VintageFeline starchy carbs (sweet potato, winter squash, potatoes, brown rice, whole grains, and beans) what I assume you mean by what you said are different then refined carbs (white bread, white rice, and the"value added products") which is what I said. Without going off the refined products there is no way to know if you are having a problem that you just thought was "normal"
Are you serious that someone can't be relied upon to know their own digestive system?
Now I've seen everything in the realm of true belief.13 -
goodtroyes, I am sorry for the debate that my comment caused. my intention was not to start an argument and i should have delivered my message through personal experience. next time i claim information, i'll be sure to have research for you and others to fall back on.
lowering my carb intake significantly really did work for ME, but other people have had success with higher carbs. Research and figure out what works best for you. Good luck on your journey
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Also incorrect. Protein is just as insulogenic as carbohydrates.nokanjaijo wrote: »Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin. Insulin governs many things, one of them is that it triggers your cells to store glucose, including fat cells, "fat storage". "Insulin spike"
http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
I may have been wrong about the alcohol, but I clearly stated that the universe of discourse was the three molecules glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Since protein is not on that list, your "correction" was baseless.5 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »
Also incorrect. Protein is just as insulogenic as carbohydrates.nokanjaijo wrote: »Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin. Insulin governs many things, one of them is that it triggers your cells to store glucose, including fat cells, "fat storage". "Insulin spike"
http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
I may have been wrong about the alcohol, but I clearly stated that the universe of discourse was the three molecules glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Since protein is not on that list, your "correction" was baseless.
Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is incorrect. As clearly shown by multiple peer-reviewed studies in the research review I linked to, protein triggers an insulin response equal to that of carbohydrate. Your "correction" of my correction is baseless.4 -
Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is clearly incorrect.
NO. That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
Your body uses three types of molecules for fuel: glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Right? Your body uses them in that order.
The glucose in your blood is used for immediate energy and it is stored in your muscle as glycogen. So, if your glycogen stores are full any glucose in your blood not used immediately as energy is in excess. I think that's what this person meant by "glycogen overflow".
Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin
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Ya'll need to read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. If you want someone to think the way you do, you gotta provide them with a scapegoat and not just tell them they are flat out wrong.
Basic psychology
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nokanjaijo wrote: »Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is clearly incorrect.
NO. That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
Your body uses three types of molecules for fuel: glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Right? Your body uses them in that order.
The glucose in your blood is used for immediate energy and it is stored in your muscle as glycogen. So, if your glycogen stores are full any glucose in your blood not used immediately as energy is in excess. I think that's what this person meant by "glycogen overflow".
Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin
Yes, your 2nd bolded part is not accurate. Protein also triggers an insulin response. That is what anvil is saying.4 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is clearly incorrect.
NO. That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
Your body uses three types of molecules for fuel: glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Right? Your body uses them in that order.
The glucose in your blood is used for immediate energy and it is stored in your muscle as glycogen. So, if your glycogen stores are full any glucose in your blood not used immediately as energy is in excess. I think that's what this person meant by "glycogen overflow".
Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin
Yes, your 2nd bolded part is not accurate. Protein also triggers an insulin response. That is what anvil is saying.
Except that protein isn't one of the three molecules.
Are you all just trolling me? This can't be for real.6 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is clearly incorrect.
NO. That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
Your body uses three types of molecules for fuel: glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Right? Your body uses them in that order.
The glucose in your blood is used for immediate energy and it is stored in your muscle as glycogen. So, if your glycogen stores are full any glucose in your blood not used immediately as energy is in excess. I think that's what this person meant by "glycogen overflow".
Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin
Yes, your 2nd bolded part is not accurate. Protein also triggers an insulin response. That is what anvil is saying.
Except that protein isn't one of the three molecules.
Are you all just trolling me? This can't be for real.
You're talking in circles. If you're narrowly defining your three molecules and then citing that one of them causes glucose overload leading to insulin spikes and fat storage, it's only right that someone else can point out another molecule that you didn't mention another molecule that also causes insulin spikes.
You're leaving out important information.
No one is trolling you, you're just not painting a complete picture.5 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is clearly incorrect.
NO. That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
Your body uses three types of molecules for fuel: glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Right? Your body uses them in that order.
The glucose in your blood is used for immediate energy and it is stored in your muscle as glycogen. So, if your glycogen stores are full any glucose in your blood not used immediately as energy is in excess. I think that's what this person meant by "glycogen overflow".
Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin
Three salient points:
1) Alcohol is not used for fuel, so that's a moot (and incorrect) point.
2) Substrate utilization isn't that simple. Low-intensity activities are primarily fueled by fat, higher intensity activities are fueled primarily by glycogen. The ratio of each varies and it's incorrect to say that the body uses glucose/glycogen for energy before anything else. While at rest, the body is using primarily fat for fuel. Ketones are primarily used for fuel only in the absence of carbohydrates/glycogen.
3) Yes, glucose does trigger an insulin response. But it is not the only molecule that triggers an insulin response. As I have repeated several times now, protein triggers an insulin response equal to carbohydrate. Deliberately leaving protein out of the discussion is cherry-picking to make an irrelevant point. It makes as much sense as saying "between chickens, apples and elephants, chickens are the only thing in the world that has wings."12 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »Protein became relevant when you stated that glucose was the only thing that triggers an insulin response, which is clearly incorrect.
NO. That is not what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
Your body uses three types of molecules for fuel: glucose, alcohol, and ketones. Right? Your body uses them in that order.
The glucose in your blood is used for immediate energy and it is stored in your muscle as glycogen. So, if your glycogen stores are full any glucose in your blood not used immediately as energy is in excess. I think that's what this person meant by "glycogen overflow".
Glucose also happens to be the only of the three molecules to trigger an insulin response by which I mean it causes your pancreas to release the enzyme insulin
Yes, your 2nd bolded part is not accurate. Protein also triggers an insulin response. That is what anvil is saying.
Except that protein isn't one of the three molecules.
Are you all just trolling me? This can't be for real.
You're talking in circles. If you're narrowly defining your three molecules and then citing that one of them causes glucose overload leading to insulin spikes and fat storage, it's only right that someone else can point out another molecule that you didn't mention another molecule that also causes insulin spikes.
You're leaving out important information.
No one is trolling you, you're just not painting a complete picture.
I'm not actually trying to paint a picture, though.
I'm not defending this person's claim. I've already said I don't think the claim is accurate.
Let me remind you what my point is here. I'm explaining why calling the things he said, "not accurate in any way" isn't reasonable and is negative.2
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