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how much carbs is too much carbs? - dietary help
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In addition, some people are more insulin resistant than others. That's why some people can get away with eating higher amounts of carbs than others. This is why some people need to be under 20g net carbs to while others can be at 50g and still be in ketosis.1
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singingflutelady wrote: »Unless you are an athlete or fitness enthusiast, your carbs are very high. Calories in and out is important, but it's not everything. When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode.
My advice, increase your fat and protein intake and lower your carbs. I'm 5'4, 122 lbs and train 3-4 times a week and I eat under 20g of NET carbs a day (Keto). I'm not suggesting you go keto, but if you aren't burning off that glycogen why are you eating so much of it?
Hope that helps, good luck
Lol, what?? Glycogen tank overflowing? Insulin spike? Fat storing mode? Not even. Because physiology.
Maybe your should research intelligently from credible sources before you claim something is nonsense.
Can you provide your sources please? I'm generally interested in seeing them.
Here is one published by Harvard that talks about high glycemic loads and the negative impact they have on the body.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/carbohydrates-and-blood-sugar/
All about glycemic loads. Commonly understood info. Not a peer reviewed study. An article. One I have no issue with. However, it says nothing about glycogen overflow triggering insulin spikes and fat storage mode. What else you got?6 -
In addition, some people are more insulin resistant than others. That's why some people can get away with eating higher amounts of carbs than others. This is why some people need to be under 20g net carbs to while others can be at 50g and still be in ketosis.
No argument there. What does that have to do with your assertions?4 -
HarlemNY17 wrote: »They telling you carbs don't matter when it does . We all have a certain amount of carbs to consume daily for a reason . NONE of these people are (doctors) so please talk with a doctor and get the correct information
Lol...look up "blue zones"...they are some of the healthiest populations in the world and consume diets relatively high in carbohydrates.
Lemme guess...you're keto right?13 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.13 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.
That article demonstrated that obese people can lose weight on a calorically-restricted keto diet. And that it's ok to maintain a keto diet for a longer time than previously thought.
While it's generally an interesting read, I don't see its relevance to the current specific conversation. Unless I missed something in the article...?9 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.
That article demonstrated that obese people can lose weight on a calorically-restricted keto diet. And that it's ok to maintain a keto diet for a longer time than previously thought.
While it's generally an interesting read, I don't see its relevance to the current specific conversation. Unless I missed something in the article...?
I just finished the article and agree with @jospen83 This article does not offer direct support for any of the points you have been trying to make.9 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.
I'm not completely clear what point you're trying to make here. While it's true that some people do have success losing weight (and improving their health metrics) on a ketogenic diet, other people have success losing weight (and improving their health metrics) on a diet that is higher in carbohydrates.
It's the weight loss that is thought to drive the improvements, not a ketogenic diet. While for some people, a ketogenic diet may be the best plan for them, it's not the only way to achieve weight loss (or maintain health).11 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.
What are you trying to prove with this article? It's pretty well known that any restricted diet can improve metabolic markers.
Would you like to see the thousands of high carb plant based research to suggest the same?
Fact: All diets can be healthy or unhealthy. And you don't need to worry about insulin (unless you are resistant).18 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.
So a study that had all of its participants on keto without a control group to compare results with. Just shows you can lose weight and improve bloodwork with a keto diet but doesn't compare it with people eating similar calories not on keto. How can you take from that that it's a superior diet? Plus it doesn't prove any of your points.11 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Maybe read the thing this time before you respond, it's a long article.
Ok, read it. It still says nothing about your assertions. I agree with janejellyroll, psulemon and others about the key metrics being fat loss driven and not based on the fat loss methodology.9 -
Unless you are an athlete or fitness enthusiast, your carbs are very high. Calories in and out is important, but it's not everything. When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode.
My advice, increase your fat and protein intake and lower your carbs. I'm 5'4, 122 lbs and train 3-4 times a week and I eat under 20g of NET carbs a day (Keto). I'm not suggesting you go keto, but if you aren't burning off that glycogen why are you eating so much of it?
Hope that helps, good luck
An average body has a storage capacity of 300-500g of carbs (more if you workout). And considering that when losing weight, you cut down on carbs naturally, I'd doubt someone (even a plant based follower) would exceed those levels.
And realistically, one can store fat regardless of insulin levels. Your body is evolved to have multiple hormones to store nutrients; insulin, acylation stimulating protein, glucose-dependent insulintropic peptide to name a few.13 -
Carbs are one of the essential nutrients along with protein, fat, vitamins, minerals and water. It's all about the calories in weight loss. Nutrients are a different story.
I took a quick look at your food list above. The one thing that struck me is you don't seem to eat any vegetables. What about swapping out something for a large salad or several servings of other vegetables? Vegetables are the carbs I choose first.
Just to point out, carbs are not an essential macronutrient. Your body can create glucose by converting fats/proteins through glucenogenesis. Carbs can make a body run optimally though, increase exercise recovery, protect muscle, etc....
OP, what are your stats? That will determine if 2 lbs is aggressive or even feasible.
Wow! 4 woos for posting flat out scientific fact about essential nutrients? I'd say some folks need to use google and get simple answers before hitting the woo button....
Some people don't like facts. Shocking right? Sadly, this is coming from a volume carb eater.
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Carbs are one of the essential nutrients along with protein, fat, vitamins, minerals and water. It's all about the calories in weight loss. Nutrients are a different story.
I took a quick look at your food list above. The one thing that struck me is you don't seem to eat any vegetables. What about swapping out something for a large salad or several servings of other vegetables? Vegetables are the carbs I choose first.
Just to point out, carbs are not an essential macronutrient. Your body can create glucose by converting fats/proteins through glucenogenesis. Carbs can make a body run optimally though, increase exercise recovery, protect muscle, etc....
OP, what are your stats? That will determine if 2 lbs is aggressive or even feasible.
Wow! 4 woos for posting flat out scientific fact about essential nutrients? I'd say some folks need to use google and get simple answers before hitting the woo button....
Some people don't like facts. Shocking right? Sadly, this is coming from a volume carb eater.
Yes. I've seen this happen lately when a simple, easily researchable fact is presented and it gets multiple woos. Makes you wonder.....5 -
Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.10 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »HarlemNY17 wrote: »They telling you carbs don't matter when it does . We all have a certain amount of carbs to consume daily for a reason . NONE of these people are (doctors) so please talk with a doctor and get the correct information
Lol...look up "blue zones"...they are some of the healthiest populations in the world and consume diets relatively high in carbohydrates.
Lemme guess...you're keto right?
I don't label my diets I just eat CLEAN I don't look into diet programs or plans . Yea but you read that off the internet....if your high in carbs you need to be high in protein . And some fats .... her protein and fat lvls are very low . That's why she needs to see her doctor for recommendations14 -
Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.6 -
Carbs are one of the essential nutrients along with protein, fat, vitamins, minerals and water. It's all about the calories in weight loss. Nutrients are a different story.
I took a quick look at your food list above. The one thing that struck me is you don't seem to eat any vegetables. What about swapping out something for a large salad or several servings of other vegetables? Vegetables are the carbs I choose first.
Just to point out, carbs are not an essential macronutrient. Your body can create glucose by converting fats/proteins through glucenogenesis. Carbs can make a body run optimally though, increase exercise recovery, protect muscle, etc....
OP, what are your stats? That will determine if 2 lbs is aggressive or even feasible.
Wow! 4 woos for posting flat out scientific fact about essential nutrients? I'd say some folks need to use google and get simple answers before hitting the woo button....
Some people don't like facts. Shocking right? Sadly, this is coming from a volume carb eater.
Yes. I've seen this happen lately when a simple, easily researchable fact is presented and it gets multiple woos. Makes you wonder.....
They mean "woo hoo" as in "good job on presenting useful information".
Of course if the Woo button had been more clearly defined, we wouldn't have the confusion.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Why is everyone so negative here? Most of us are not registered dietitians and all of the information we choose to believe is done through personal research. I never claimed to know everything, I posted on my experience and what I know works for me. If whatever you're doing works for you, then keep doing it! Don't change it. But if someone asks for advice, all I can do is speak through my experience. What you believe is your prerogative but the way to influence others is not to put them down.
While I do disagree with many of you, you also don't see me on here slamming each one of you for research papers to back up your claims.
You all got your information from one source or another and repetition is powerful. The point of my first post was to let others know there are other options to explore, not that I am right.
Hope that clears some things up, I never meant to ruffle any feathers here.
Here's the thing (from my point of view): advice from the point of view of your experience is very different than categorical claims of fact (like the ones you have made above).
"Here's how a keto diet helped me . . . " versus "No, you can't lose weight if you're eating too many carbohydrates . . . " . . . do you see the difference between those two?
I, for example, have experience losing weight as a vegan eating a diet that is higher in carbohydrates. If someone is interested, I'm always happy to share my experiences. But I would never translate my success into thinking that everyone has to lose weight as a vegan eating higher carbohydrate or that it's somehow superior to other eating patterns that result in weight loss.
All I recommended was lowering carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I did not once say you can ONLY lose weight restricting carbohydrates. I apologize if it came off that way but it wasn't my intention. better be careful to post my experience here because if the belief isn't popular and widely accepted, it's bound to get backlash.
Keto is popular here though. It's the statements like this that people have issues with :When your body consumes an excess amount of carbs, your glycogen tank is overflowing and triggering a spike in insulin. When you secrete too much insulin, your body goes into fat storing mode.
There are a quite a few scientifically minded people here so things that are inaccurate get pointed out.15
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