carbs...are they the enemy?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »No, carbs aren't the enemy...there are all kinds of highly nutritious carbohydrates...veggies are carbs, fruit is carbs, beans and lentils are carbs, potatoes and sweet potatoes and other starchy root vegetables are carbs...etc, etc, etc...
Yes, exactly.
For an illustration:
100 g of broccoli (roughly, a serving) is nearly 7 g carbs.
100 g of brussels sprouts is 9 g of carbs.
50 g of kale is over 4 g of carbs.
That's 20 g -- clearly if one wants to eat 8+ servings of vegetables, which I aim to do, it's tough to fit it in on very low carb unless you are unnecessarily restrictive with the veg you eat (sad with the abundance at this time of year). Add on maybe a serving or 2 of fruit, and say some beans or nuts or dairy or some sweet potato, let alone some whole grains (including corn, which is in season right now), you could easily go way over it, and still have an extremely healthy diet. I don't think it's possible for me to get adequate vegetables on 20 g (even if that's net).
OP, if you find that you are having trouble keeping to your calorie goal, reducing carbs and increasing protein may be something to try (also increasing carbs for some, increasing fiber, eating more satiating individual foods, playing around with meal timing, etc.). But carbs are absolutely not the enemy and I think some of them are important to have in a healthy diet (and others are great if you enjoy them).
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I didn't say anything about carbs being the reason. I said and keep a deficit.RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Which you would also see if your carbs were higher.
Calories are what matter for weight loss.
I didn't say anything about carbs being the reason. I said and keep a deficit.
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stevencloser wrote: »
Fung is a salesman.
They all are.3 -
It depends, carbs from veggies, not so much. Carbs from donuts...I like to consider them my frenemy.5
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I've eaten carbs from donuts frequently in the last 9 months and either lost the 10lbs I wanted, or stayed weight stable (the last 2 months)...even those aren't the devil if they fit into your allowance for the day3
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I'm insulin resistant so I'm tracking my calories and my carbs. Not strict but keep them between 50-100. If you're insulin resistant or think you may be, it wouldn't hurt to track them.5
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deannalfisher wrote: »
Lol...I'm so glad I'm not a donut guy. I'd be about 800 Lbs I think. I have one a few times per year...usually father's day with my kids because that's their father's day thing they came up with somehow and then I get some random craving for one a couple other times...usually a chocolate covered with red chile and bacon from Rebel.5 -
I lost 95 pounds and I ate carbs. I think it's because I ate EVERYTHING in moderation and correct portions that I was able to succeed. In the past, when I drastically reduced or eliminated a certain food or food group, that is what led to my multiple failures.
Except all this talk of donuts.......
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cwolfman13 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »
Lol...I'm so glad I'm not a donut guy. I'd be about 800 Lbs I think. I have one a few times per year...usually father's day with my kids because that's their father's day thing they came up with somehow and then I get some random craving for one a couple other times...usually a chocolate covered with red chile and bacon from Rebel.
It was left from yesterday - once a month I buy a 2 pack for weekend work but I didn't eat one of them0 -
I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/4 -
I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/
It's not hard to find some examples...but if it were optimal, every athlete on the planet would be doing it...they're kind of on top of that stuff...low carb athletes are a tremendous minority...
Also, the article doesn't address what "low carb" is...it doesn't say keto. When I cut weight I typically bring carbs to around 130-150 grams which is nowhere near keto, but many would consider it low carb, particularly as a cyclist.
I aim to get in around 6 servings of veg a day and a couple servings of fruit...that's not happening on keto.14 -
I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/
That's a biased hack story that doesn't tell the whole tale. You do realize that Froome carbs up when he's training and racing, right?
https://www.redbulletin.com/int/en/sports/chris-froomes-cycling-nutrition-tipsGo Low Carb Breakfast On Some Training Days To Boost Fat Metabolism
Your body needs to be trained to metabolise fat for fuel, according to Chris Froome’s training regime. ‘We sometimes do what we call a low-carb ride where we will have an omelette in the morning with a bit of avocado or something but no carbohydrates, and stick to that at least for the first few hours of the ride. In theory that teaches your body to be more efficient and to burn fat as fuel so that when you do come to a heavier intensity day or a race day and you fuel up well with carbohydrates before the race it’s almost like you’ve got a second source of energy that you didn’t have before,’ he says....Instead we eat a lot of white rice - it’s really easy to digest and it keeps us topped up on our carbs - as well as a lot of quinoa too,’ says Froome.Some amateur athletes think it’s a good idea to cut calories or carbs all the time, even after rides - turns out this is disastrous for your recovery and performance. ‘If I didn’t fuel properly after today’s training I would go into tomorrow’s interval sessions and probably get halfway through the first interval and I would be just dead - I would be empty,’ says Froome. ‘So post-training meals especially on low-carb days, feel like your main meal of the day. You need a good healthy portion of carbs to get your glycogen stores back up for the next day’s training.’22 -
I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/
You do realize that Froome carbs up when he's training and racing, right?
https://www.redbulletin.com/int/en/sports/chris-froomes-cycling-nutrition-tipsGo Low Carb Breakfast On Some Training Days To Boost Fat Metabolism
Your body needs to be trained to metabolise fat for fuel, according to Chris Froome’s training regime. ‘We sometimes do what we call a low-carb ride where we will have an omelette in the morning with a bit of avocado or something but no carbohydrates, and stick to that at least for the first few hours of the ride. In theory that teaches your body to be more efficient and to burn fat as fuel so that when you do come to a heavier intensity day or a race day and you fuel up well with carbohydrates before the race it’s almost like you’ve got a second source of energy that you didn’t have before,’ he says....Instead we eat a lot of white rice - it’s really easy to digest and it keeps us topped up on our carbs - as well as a lot of quinoa too,’ says Froome.
[/quoteSome amateur athletes think it’s a good idea to cut calories or carbs all the time, even after rides - turns out this is disastrous for your recovery and performance. ‘If I didn’t fuel properly after today’s training I would go into tomorrow’s interval sessions and probably get halfway through the first interval and I would be just dead - I would be empty,’ says Froome. ‘So post-training meals especially on low-carb days, feel like your main meal of the day. You need a good healthy portion of carbs to get your glycogen stores back up for the next day’s training.’
You realize I never said carbs were bad I just said I weighed 296 lb and went down to 235 eating less than 20 grams of carbs. Dude I'm a truck driver my only exercise is walking to the bathroom. I lost the weight by low carb diet alone9 -
I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/
You do realize that Froome carbs up when he's training and racing, right?
https://www.redbulletin.com/int/en/sports/chris-froomes-cycling-nutrition-tipsGo Low Carb Breakfast On Some Training Days To Boost Fat Metabolism
Your body needs to be trained to metabolise fat for fuel, according to Chris Froome’s training regime. ‘We sometimes do what we call a low-carb ride where we will have an omelette in the morning with a bit of avocado or something but no carbohydrates, and stick to that at least for the first few hours of the ride. In theory that teaches your body to be more efficient and to burn fat as fuel so that when you do come to a heavier intensity day or a race day and you fuel up well with carbohydrates before the race it’s almost like you’ve got a second source of energy that you didn’t have before,’ he says....Instead we eat a lot of white rice - it’s really easy to digest and it keeps us topped up on our carbs - as well as a lot of quinoa too,’ says Froome.
[/quoteSome amateur athletes think it’s a good idea to cut calories or carbs all the time, even after rides - turns out this is disastrous for your recovery and performance. ‘If I didn’t fuel properly after today’s training I would go into tomorrow’s interval sessions and probably get halfway through the first interval and I would be just dead - I would be empty,’ says Froome. ‘So post-training meals especially on low-carb days, feel like your main meal of the day. You need a good healthy portion of carbs to get your glycogen stores back up for the next day’s training.’
You realize I never said carbs were bad I just said I weighed 296 lb and went down to 235 eating less than 20 grams of carbs. Dude I'm a truck driver my only exercise is walking to the bathroom. I lost the weight by low carb diet alone
And you could have lost that weight while being high carb as well....11 -
You realize I never said carbs were bad I just said I weighed 296 lb and went down to 235 eating less than 20 grams of carbs. Dude I'm a truck driver my only exercise is walking to the bathroom. I lost the weight by low carb diet alone
You lost the weight by hitting the appropriate calorie deficit for your weight loss goals. Low carb was just a way that made calorie restriction easier for you, (I did an IF protocol during my weight loss phase for the same reason). Nothing wrong with using low carb as a tool, but it really does come down to CICO.13 -
deannalfisher wrote: »I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/
You do realize that Froome carbs up when he's training and racing, right?
https://www.redbulletin.com/int/en/sports/chris-froomes-cycling-nutrition-tipsGo Low Carb Breakfast On Some Training Days To Boost Fat Metabolism
Your body needs to be trained to metabolise fat for fuel, according to Chris Froome’s training regime. ‘We sometimes do what we call a low-carb ride where we will have an omelette in the morning with a bit of avocado or something but no carbohydrates, and stick to that at least for the first few hours of the ride. In theory that teaches your body to be more efficient and to burn fat as fuel so that when you do come to a heavier intensity day or a race day and you fuel up well with carbohydrates before the race it’s almost like you’ve got a second source of energy that you didn’t have before,’ he says....Instead we eat a lot of white rice - it’s really easy to digest and it keeps us topped up on our carbs - as well as a lot of quinoa too,’ says Froome.
[/quoteSome amateur athletes think it’s a good idea to cut calories or carbs all the time, even after rides - turns out this is disastrous for your recovery and performance. ‘If I didn’t fuel properly after today’s training I would go into tomorrow’s interval sessions and probably get halfway through the first interval and I would be just dead - I would be empty,’ says Froome. ‘So post-training meals especially on low-carb days, feel like your main meal of the day. You need a good healthy portion of carbs to get your glycogen stores back up for the next day’s training.’
You realize I never said carbs were bad I just said I weighed 296 lb and went down to 235 eating less than 20 grams of carbs. Dude I'm a truck driver my only exercise is walking to the bathroom. I lost the weight by low carb diet alone
And you could have lost that weight while being high carb as well....
I tried that didn't work for me !7 -
cholloway88 wrote: »I understand the general concept of food having calories, protein, sugars and such, but never in my life did I think so many things had such high carbs!
Do you think my high intake of carbs could be what is stalling any weight loss? I'm not one to just go crazy on bread or anything, but now I'm worried that even the fruits I eat have such high carbs in them and I'm stressing out on what I should eat.
Any thoughts, suggestions, substitutes, etc would be much appreciated!
Carbs are not the enemy and they are not stalling your weight loss.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »No, carbs aren't the enemy...there are all kinds of highly nutritious carbohydrates...veggies are carbs, fruit is carbs, beans and lentils are carbs, potatoes and sweet potatoes and other starchy root vegetables are carbs...etc,
Not really sure what the point is here...
You should google "blue zones"...healthiest populations in the world...relatively high carbohydrate. There is absolutely not reason to do Keto other than you want to...even if you have health conditions for which carbohydrates should be monitored, keto isn't necessary. My dad was a type II and easily controlled his diabetes with his diet and was nowhere near keto.
I have no health conditions which would warrant something as radical and restrictive as keto...
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I am like your dad. I am T2Dm and have to monitor my carbs but I still eat up to 160 grams per day. My health markers are excellent and I take no medication.
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I tried that didn't work for me !
Of course it would work. But, some people find elimination diets make calorie counting easier.
Back in the day, calorie counting was tedious (you looked things up in a book) and measurements were inaccurate (measuring cups).....low carb diets and low fat diets were "invented" to lessen the burden.
Now with digital food scales, recipe builders, and a huge database to work with we can be more accurate. But it doesn't mean that everyone is.5 -
I love carbs. They're delicious and give me energy. ❤️5
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I eat between 150-200g of carbs/day and would be hangry without them! I need a starchy carb at nearly every meal to feel satiated (often squash or potato).
ETA: Hasn't affected my weight loss one bit, and in fact has been MORE successful than previous experiments with low carb diets/ paleo. It's just easier to stick to and gives me tons of energy.4 -
For me, carbs aren't good. They stimulate my appetite and cravings plus they raise blood glucose which is not helpful for most people.
I use fat for energy.11 -
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Another carb lover here. Lost over 100lbs consuming 1/3-1/2 of my daily calories in carbs.5
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Good carbs in moderation aren't the enemy at all and I can say that a well controlled type 2 diabetic. I take in around 200 grams of good carbs a day during light workout days and as high as 300 on heavy workout days and my A1C is a 5.3. Its more about how much energy I'm putting out to burn the fuel I'm taking in and how fast those carbs are hitting the bloodstream.4
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I went from 296 lb to 240 lb in 9 months eating 20 gram of carbs or less. I eating around 2000 to 2500 cal. A day never felt better. I was able to get off all of med's my macros were 5 % carbs 20 % protein 75 % fat. I highly recommend the low carb lifestyle. Here's a cool article on an athlete who eats low carb
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/endurance/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs
And Tour de France riders eat thousands of calories a day in carbs - which is slightly more relevant (but still close to being virtually irrelevant!) to the general population than one ultra marathon runner.
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/this-is-what-you-have-to-eat-to-compete-in-the-tour-de-france-182775
Here's a low carb Tour de France rider
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blog/2016/07/low-carb-diet-propelled-chris-froome-three-tour-de-france-titles/
@c65db
You have fallen for propaganda I'm afraid and that article is a gross mis-representation of the facts and the interview Chris Froome gave. You should look at the same interview on a cycling website to actually see what has been deliberately omitted to twist the facts to suit the agenda.
He actually has a high carb diet (very high when racing) but OCCASIONALLY does a PART of a training session low carb after which guess what he does? He immediately eats a load of carbs to recover and prepare for the next training session.
To claim him as a low carber is ludicrous.
Chris Froome: "I sometimes do what we call a low-carb ride where I’ll have an omelette in the morning with a bit of avocado or something but no carbohydrates, and stick to that at least for the first few hours of the ride. In theory, it teaches your body to be more efficient and to burn fat as fuel so that when you do come to race day and you fuel up well with carbohydrates before the race, it’s almost like you’ve got a second source of energy that you didn’t have before."
It's part of the preparation of a top level rider to be able to utilise all energy stores efficiently.11 -
I've lost and kept it off without any restriction on carbs or even cutting out anything. Cake, wine, chocolate all feature in my food diary on a regular basis, as do pasta, potatoes, fruit and veg, dairy, wheat etc etc. I am lucky not to have any dietary issues like diabetes or intolerances, so I celebrate that by eating a varied diet of foods I enjoy. CICO.4
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Trying to avoid Carbs here...struggling!
I usually have toast for breakfast now I'm at a loss...don't like the idea of having a high fat breakfast either3
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