Low calorie/cardio vs keto/weights
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Hi everyone, so when I was younger low cal & cardio ( 1hr 4-5x per week), allowed me to lose weight fairly quickly. Well fast forward 20 years, low cal & cardio didn't work ( quickly enough for me to feel it was worth the stress if it). So a co-worker, a Physical thearpist, suggested I try keto and weight lifting instead. Boom! The weight started coming off fairly quickly.
Is this because I'm old or my metabolism is changed ?
I would love to hear the experience of other
Or just any insight you may have
Possibly as you are older you aren't able to put the same effort into the cardio you did when you were younger.
That's a really good point
I think it was just easier for me in my 20s to tear up the treadmill and function on a lower calorie count
At this stage in my life it wasn't sustainable
It's nice to read about others who've had a similar journey in this community3 -
wildhorsewendy wrote: »I am just reading Fat For Fuel, by Dr. Mercola and he fully explains the science behind why keto works. Great book! I actually borrowed it from my library via ebook download onto my phone.
Please don't put Mecola and science in the same sentence. That is an insult to all the scientists out there.For the love of God shut up about the *kitten* calorie deficit!
I am glad you have found what works for you, as has the op. That is awesome. However, please be respectful that keto will not work for everyone.
Psst, the reason it has worked for you is because it easily keeps you in a calorie deficit as you find a diet high in fats filling. On the other hand I need a good balance of fibre, fat and protein in my diet to give the same results.12 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »wildhorsewendy wrote: »I am just reading Fat For Fuel, by Dr. Mercola and he fully explains the science behind why keto works. Great book! I actually borrowed it from my library via ebook download onto my phone.
Please don't put Mecola and science in the same sentence. That is an insult to all the scientists out there.For the love of God shut up about the *kitten* calorie deficit!
I am glad you have found what works for you, as has the op. That is awesome. However, please be respectful that keto will not work for everyone.
Psst, the reason it has worked for you is because it easily keeps you in a calorie deficit as you find a diet high in fats filling. On the other hand I need a good balance of fibre, fat and protein in my diet to give the same results.
This isn't about me or OP choosing to do keto. The question was whether anyone else experienced the same results as he/she did while on keto and only weight training. Neither of us ONCE mentioned keto was the only way or the right way to do a thing. The only thing we're "guilty" of is having the same experience.15 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »wildhorsewendy wrote: »I am just reading Fat For Fuel, by Dr. Mercola and he fully explains the science behind why keto works. Great book! I actually borrowed it from my library via ebook download onto my phone.
Please don't put Mecola and science in the same sentence. That is an insult to all the scientists out there.For the love of God shut up about the *kitten* calorie deficit!
I am glad you have found what works for you, as has the op. That is awesome. However, please be respectful that keto will not work for everyone.
Psst, the reason it has worked for you is because it easily keeps you in a calorie deficit as you find a diet high in fats filling. On the other hand I need a good balance of fibre, fat and protein in my diet to give the same results.
[insult removed by MFP mods] This isn't about me or OP choosing to do keto. The question was whether anyone else experienced the same results as he/she did while on keto and only weight training. Neither of us ONCE mentioned keto was the only way or the right way to do a thing. The only thing we're "guilty" of is having the same experience.
Is it possible to express your opinions without the insults?7 -
Hi everyone, so when I was younger low cal & cardio ( 1hr 4-5x per week), allowed me to lose weight fairly quickly. Well fast forward 20 years, low cal & cardio didn't work ( quickly enough for me to feel it was worth the stress if it). So a co-worker, a Physical thearpist, suggested I try keto and weight lifting instead. Boom! The weight started coming off fairly quickly.
Is this because I'm old or my metabolism is changed ?
I would love to hear the experience of other
Or just any insight you may have
Possibly as you are older you aren't able to put the same effort into the cardio you did when you were younger.
That's a really good point
I think it was just easier for me in my 20s to tear up the treadmill and function on a lower calorie count
At this stage in my life it wasn't sustainable
It's nice to read about others who've had a similar journey in this community
It's really easy to get to thinking that there is something wrong with you, isn't it?
When I was in my 20s I ate like crap and I ate a lot, but I stayed thin even though I didn't do much purposeful exercise. But in hindsight, I was generally more active - a more physical job, I would go out and do more active stuff rather than sitting at a restaurant table, I had energy even if I only slept 5 hours. Ahhh, the good old days!4 -
Hi everyone, so when I was younger low cal & cardio ( 1hr 4-5x per week), allowed me to lose weight fairly quickly. Well fast forward 20 years, low cal & cardio didn't work ( quickly enough for me to feel it was worth the stress if it). So a co-worker, a Physical thearpist, suggested I try keto and weight lifting instead. Boom! The weight started coming off fairly quickly.
Is this because I'm old or my metabolism is changed ?
I would love to hear the experience of other
Or just any insight you may have
Possibly as you are older you aren't able to put the same effort into the cardio you did when you were younger.
That's a really good point
I think it was just easier for me in my 20s to tear up the treadmill and function on a lower calorie count
At this stage in my life it wasn't sustainable
It's nice to read about others who've had a similar journey in this community
It's really easy to get to thinking that there is something wrong with you, isn't it?
When I was in my 20s I ate like crap and I ate a lot, but I stayed thin even though I didn't do much purposeful exercise. But in hindsight, I was generally more active - a more physical job, I would go out and do more active stuff rather than sitting at a restaurant table, I had energy even if I only slept 5 hours. Ahhh, the good old days!
Excellent point. Add to this the fact that your metabolism slows as you age and you probably have the answer of why it was easier then. I am glad you have found something that works.2 -
Great. Once again I don't care. You don't have the will power to do keto so you blah blah blah about how wonderful your "journey" has been by just reducing calories. Great.
It has nothing to do with willpower. Some people enjoy keto, and thus find it easy to stick to and lose weight. That's excellent. Other people enjoy other ways of eating at a deficit that they find easy to stick to and lose weight. Again, excellent. Why white knuckle it through something that is going to have the exact same result when you can do it in a far more pleasant way? I starved myself in my younger days. Should I go back to that just because it took willpower (because believe me, it did)?12 -
This thread has taught me that keto makes you angry.37
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Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread has taught me that keto makes you angry.
That is actually a side effect of keto apparently.5 -
I believed its also because keto has converted you to a more efficient fat burning body type. It used fat to produce ketones to fuel your body instead of fueling your body from glucose which is produced from crab and sugar.
My personal experience with it was great. I was losing weight more consistently, and cardio exercise did not tire me out as much. I couldn't stay on it for long though because I would need to prep for 3 different kind of dietary meal for my family and time just doesn't allow it.21 -
I believed its also because of the macro that keto on that converting you to a more efficient fat burning body type. It used fat to produce ketones to fuel your body instead of fueling your body from glucose which is more from crab and sugar.
My personal experience with it was great. I was losing weight more consistently, and cardio exercise did not tire me out as much. I couldn't stay on it for long though because I would need to prep for 3 different kind of dietary meal for my family and time just doesn't allow it.
You burn more fat on keto because you're eating more fat. It's dietary fat. The body fat lost is the same as it would be with the equivalent deficit with any other macro split.15 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »I believed its also because of the macro that keto on that converting you to a more efficient fat burning body type. It used fat to produce ketones to fuel your body instead of fueling your body from glucose which is more from crab and sugar.
My personal experience with it was great. I was losing weight more consistently, and cardio exercise did not tire me out as much. I couldn't stay on it for long though because I would need to prep for 3 different kind of dietary meal for my family and time just doesn't allow it.
You burn more fat on keto because you're eating more fat. It's dietary fat. The body fat lost is the same as it would be with the equivalent deficit with any other macro split.
Maybe. I only have my personal stats to compare to. My cal deficit pre, during, post are all relatively the same, but body fat % dropped much more during keto diet. Not saying it will be the case for everyone. That's just what had happened to me.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »I believed its also because of the macro that keto on that converting you to a more efficient fat burning body type. It used fat to produce ketones to fuel your body instead of fueling your body from glucose which is more from crab and sugar.
My personal experience with it was great. I was losing weight more consistently, and cardio exercise did not tire me out as much. I couldn't stay on it for long though because I would need to prep for 3 different kind of dietary meal for my family and time just doesn't allow it.
You burn more fat on keto because you're eating more fat. It's dietary fat. The body fat lost is the same as it would be with the equivalent deficit with any other macro split.
Maybe. I only have my personal stats to compare to. My cal deficit pre, during, post are all relatively the same, but body fat % dropped much more during keto diet. Not saying it will be the case for everyone. That's just what had happened to me.
Short term it would show as larger body fat % losses due to the reduction of glycogen. Its also possible keto has made you more compliant.6 -
I was calorie counting for 2 months 1500 kcal and walking on treadmill min 30 3-4x per week
But i felt like I was killing myself for the 4lbs after 2 months I was done
I think my expectations where too high in retrospect cuz that 1 lb a week, is a safe amount ( I know now)
I didn't eat the calories back, I measured my food, but was never sure what my calories deficit was from the exercise as the calorie counter on the treadmill is not accurate
The keto is the same 1500 kcal and weight training 3-4x week
Maybe its the weight lifting?
I've experienced the same thing. These anti-keto hawks dive down whenever something doesn't fit their "calories in calories out" narrative. I train hard with weights 3-4 times a week on keto and I've not only dropped weight faster than ever in my life, I also don't have inflammation anymore. I do light cardio like walking my dogs or biking with my wife but nothing like steady state cardio on machines. Keep up the great work!
Who's anti keto? The science is very clear, if you control for calories and protein there is no difference. What is more important is dietary adherence.
I generally eat high carb and higher protein and all my numbers are outstanding. Also, since inflammation is the new buzz word, it should noted that weight training causes inflammation. Inflammation isnt a problem, chronic inflammation is. And that is generally cause by obesity.
I don't care about you or your numbers. AGAIN, the original poster asked SPECIFIC questions that no one other than me answered.
Actually, i did provide an answer before you went off on your rant because you dont like people disproving your magical experience. If you don't like science or explanations against the contrary, that is your issue. But i think the OP should understand the vast possibilities that exist.15 -
Hi everyone, so when I was younger low cal & cardio ( 1hr 4-5x per week), allowed me to lose weight fairly quickly. Well fast forward 20 years, low cal & cardio didn't work ( quickly enough for me to feel it was worth the stress if it). So a co-worker, a Physical thearpist, suggested I try keto and weight lifting instead. Boom! The weight started coming off fairly quickly.
Is this because I'm old or my metabolism is changed ?
I would love to hear the experience of other
Or just any insight you may have
Possibly as you are older you aren't able to put the same effort into the cardio you did when you were younger.
That's a really good point
I think it was just easier for me in my 20s to tear up the treadmill and function on a lower calorie count
At this stage in my life it wasn't sustainable
It's nice to read about others who've had a similar journey in this community
Another thing to consider, is most young people are naturally more active in their daily life. Most of us now have desk job and dont get to increase activity outside a little exercise.2 -
Is there some research comparing keto diet and high carb cal deficit diet to end these nonsensical claims of keto being some magic diet?1
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Is there some research comparing keto diet and high carb cal deficit diet to end these nonsensical claims of keto being some magic diet?
Kevin Hall has a few studies and Arizona State has one. But outisde of the 3 studies, there are no other studies that hold calories and protein steady. The ones that do that show no difference in fat loss.5 -
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Alatariel75 wrote: »This thread has taught me that keto makes you angry.
That is actually a side effect of keto apparently.
Not certain whether that's true or not, but the angry evangelist in any situation in life is the most close-minded combo, I'm afraid.
Keto works for some people, paleo works for some people, vegetarian works for some people, intermittent fasting works for some people. Same with any other diet-du-jour or way of eating on the planet.
But CICO works for everyone because all diets (CI) and exercise (CO), are governed by it. You just need to find the combo that works best for you.
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