Apples...a zero calorie food??
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stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MystikPixie wrote: »It not calorie free, BUT, better for you than a lot of other things. For instance, a Frito Chili Pie has like 500+ calories in just one cup and loads of fat. Whereas an apple pie you make lighter will have a lot less calories and virtually no fat. What I look at is not only the calorie count but the fat content which is what most diet plans also look at. Like a salad with ranch dressing may be the equivalent to a hamburger on the caloric side, but on the artery side it's much healthier because it doesn't have as much fat.
A normal apple pie will have a LOT of calories and a LOT of fat. I usually make a crust using plenty of butter, for example (and you need some kind of fat for a crust).
Apples themselves are lower cal than a lot of things, but hardly calorie free. No one is saying avoid apples.
I have no clue what a frito chili pie is (I hate fritos, so it doesn't sound good to me), but presumably it has meat, so would be a better meal in some ways (protein) than an apple pie (which no one considers a regular meal, although it might make a nice post Thanksgiving breakfast).
You seem to assume fat is bad, it's not.
A salad with ranch dressing could very easily have far more fat than a burger, if you make the burger with very lean ground beef (as I normally do) and if the majority of calories in the salad are from ranch dressing (but maybe you added a bunch of croutons or something, I dunno). But again fat isn't all that -- the burger has protein, which you need, and the salad (especially if you use a variety of vegetables) has a lot of micros.
(I'm eating a quite caloric salad at the moment with a bunch of vegetables, some chicken for protein, some feta cheese and olives (FAT), and some dressing made with olive oil and red wine vinegar (I hate ranch, but this also has FAT). Pretty sure it's not actually bad for me, and it fits into my day.)
Beat me to it.
Not sure how you would make an apple pie(or any pie) with No/Low fat.
I'm not sure either - you need some kind of fat to to hold the crust together and have the results be edible.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MystikPixie wrote: »It not calorie free, BUT, better for you than a lot of other things. For instance, a Frito Chili Pie has like 500+ calories in just one cup and loads of fat. Whereas an apple pie you make lighter will have a lot less calories and virtually no fat. What I look at is not only the calorie count but the fat content which is what most diet plans also look at. Like a salad with ranch dressing may be the equivalent to a hamburger on the caloric side, but on the artery side it's much healthier because it doesn't have as much fat.
A normal apple pie will have a LOT of calories and a LOT of fat. I usually make a crust using plenty of butter, for example (and you need some kind of fat for a crust).
Apples themselves are lower cal than a lot of things, but hardly calorie free. No one is saying avoid apples.
I have no clue what a frito chili pie is (I hate fritos, so it doesn't sound good to me), but presumably it has meat, so would be a better meal in some ways (protein) than an apple pie (which no one considers a regular meal, although it might make a nice post Thanksgiving breakfast).
You seem to assume fat is bad, it's not.
A salad with ranch dressing could very easily have far more fat than a burger, if you make the burger with very lean ground beef (as I normally do) and if the majority of calories in the salad are from ranch dressing (but maybe you added a bunch of croutons or something, I dunno). But again fat isn't all that -- the burger has protein, which you need, and the salad (especially if you use a variety of vegetables) has a lot of micros.
(I'm eating a quite caloric salad at the moment with a bunch of vegetables, some chicken for protein, some feta cheese and olives (FAT), and some dressing made with olive oil and red wine vinegar (I hate ranch, but this also has FAT). Pretty sure it's not actually bad for me, and it fits into my day.)
Beat me to it.
Not sure how you would make an apple pie(or any pie) with No/Low fat.
it was crustless...*shudders at the thought*
So more of a cobbler? Or just baked apples? Baked apples can be pretty amazing.2 -
A look at my old low-fat cookbook (which I do use more for low calorie than low fat ideas) gives me two pie recipes. One is crustless, so it's not a pie; it's strawberries in custard. The other is a yellow squash pie that has a graham cracker crumb crust and comes in a 3 grams fat/serving.0
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estherdragonbat wrote: »A look at my old low-fat cookbook (which I do use more for low calorie than low fat ideas) gives me two pie recipes. One is crustless, so it's not a pie; it's strawberries in custard. The other is a yellow squash pie that has a graham cracker crumb crust and comes in a 3 grams fat/serving.
Dr Graham's crackers are pretty amazing for low fat crust making.0 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »A look at my old low-fat cookbook (which I do use more for low calorie than low fat ideas) gives me two pie recipes. One is crustless, so it's not a pie; it's strawberries in custard. The other is a yellow squash pie that has a graham cracker crumb crust and comes in a 3 grams fat/serving.
That squash pie sounds interesting. I love yellow squash.
Apple crumbles are good (I make mine with thickened unsweetened condensed apple juice to lower the carbs a little so the crumble doesn't affect my blood sugar AS much), but they ain't pie.
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Crust:
1.5 tbsp melted margarine
1.5 tbsp honey
0.75 cup graham cracker crumbs
Filling:
4 egg whites
2.5 cups (rounded) yellow squash, unpeeled, cut into 1/2"-1" pieces
1 cup nonfat dry milk
0.25 cup sugar
1.5 tsp vanilla extract
1.5 tsp pumpkin pie spice
1 tbsp all-purpose flour
1 tsp baking powder
Preheat oven to 350
Combine margarine and honey in 9" pie pan. Add graham cracker crumbs and mix until moistened. Press into bottom and sides of pan to form crust. Bake 5 minutes.
In a blender, combine all filling ingredients. Blend until smooth. Pour into crust, bake 25 minutes, or until set.
Cool slightly, then chill.
(There is a crustless option, where you just bake the filling and serve warm, topped with vanilla ice cream or frozen yogurt. But then it won't be pie.)
8 servings
155 calories, 6g protein, 3g fat (0g Sat fat), 25g carbs, 229 mg sodium, 2mg cholesterol*
*So speaks the cookbook. I find when I use the MFP database, it's often a little bit higher.0 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Crust:
1.5 tbsp melted margarine
1.5 tbsp honey
0.75 cup graham cracker crumbs
Filling:
4 egg whites
2.5 cups (rounded) yellow squash, unpeeled, cut into 1/2"-1" pieces
1 cup nonfat dry milk
0.25 cup sugar
1.5 tsp vanilla extract
1.5 tsp pumpkin pie spice
1 tbsp all-purpose flour
1 tsp baking powder
Preheat oven to 350
Combine margarine and honey in 9" pie pan. Add graham cracker crumbs and mix until moistened. Press into bottom and sides of pan to form crust. Bake 5 minutes.
In a blender, combine all filling ingredients. Blend until smooth. Pour into crust, bake 25 minutes, or until set.
Cool slightly, then chill.
(There is a crustless option, where you just bake the filling and serve warm, topped with vanilla ice cream or frozen yogurt. But then it won't be pie.)
8 servings
155 calories, 6g protein, 3g fat (0g Sat fat), 25g carbs, 229 mg sodium, 2mg cholesterol*
*So speaks the cookbook. I find when I use the MFP database, it's often a little bit higher.
Margarine is a crime against humanity.
Although it wouldn't be much higher fat with butter, because the honey and graham crackers bind together really well.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MystikPixie wrote: »It not calorie free, BUT, better for you than a lot of other things. For instance, a Frito Chili Pie has like 500+ calories in just one cup and loads of fat. Whereas an apple pie you make lighter will have a lot less calories and virtually no fat. What I look at is not only the calorie count but the fat content which is what most diet plans also look at. Like a salad with ranch dressing may be the equivalent to a hamburger on the caloric side, but on the artery side it's much healthier because it doesn't have as much fat.
A normal apple pie will have a LOT of calories and a LOT of fat. I usually make a crust using plenty of butter, for example (and you need some kind of fat for a crust).
Apples themselves are lower cal than a lot of things, but hardly calorie free. No one is saying avoid apples.
I have no clue what a frito chili pie is (I hate fritos, so it doesn't sound good to me), but presumably it has meat, so would be a better meal in some ways (protein) than an apple pie (which no one considers a regular meal, although it might make a nice post Thanksgiving breakfast).
You seem to assume fat is bad, it's not.
A salad with ranch dressing could very easily have far more fat than a burger, if you make the burger with very lean ground beef (as I normally do) and if the majority of calories in the salad are from ranch dressing (but maybe you added a bunch of croutons or something, I dunno). But again fat isn't all that -- the burger has protein, which you need, and the salad (especially if you use a variety of vegetables) has a lot of micros.
(I'm eating a quite caloric salad at the moment with a bunch of vegetables, some chicken for protein, some feta cheese and olives (FAT), and some dressing made with olive oil and red wine vinegar (I hate ranch, but this also has FAT). Pretty sure it's not actually bad for me, and it fits into my day.)
Beat me to it.
Not sure how you would make an apple pie(or any pie) with No/Low fat.
it was crustless...*shudders at the thought*
So more of a cobbler? Or just baked apples? Baked apples can be pretty amazing.
I am okay with cobbler or even crumble and baked apples but it's not pie...1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Crust:
1.5 tbsp melted margarine
1.5 tbsp honey
0.75 cup graham cracker crumbs
Filling:
4 egg whites
2.5 cups (rounded) yellow squash, unpeeled, cut into 1/2"-1" pieces
1 cup nonfat dry milk
0.25 cup sugar
1.5 tsp vanilla extract
1.5 tsp pumpkin pie spice
1 tbsp all-purpose flour
1 tsp baking powder
Preheat oven to 350
Combine margarine and honey in 9" pie pan. Add graham cracker crumbs and mix until moistened. Press into bottom and sides of pan to form crust. Bake 5 minutes.
In a blender, combine all filling ingredients. Blend until smooth. Pour into crust, bake 25 minutes, or until set.
Cool slightly, then chill.
(There is a crustless option, where you just bake the filling and serve warm, topped with vanilla ice cream or frozen yogurt. But then it won't be pie.)
8 servings
155 calories, 6g protein, 3g fat (0g Sat fat), 25g carbs, 229 mg sodium, 2mg cholesterol*
*So speaks the cookbook. I find when I use the MFP database, it's often a little bit higher.
Margarine is a crime against humanity.
Although it wouldn't be much higher fat with butter, because the honey and graham crackers bind together really well.
I've cut back on it. I'm kosher vegetarian, married to an omnivore. We can't have dairy right after meat so I make my desserts non-dairy. In baking, I sub margarine for butter when it's a texture/chemistry issue (e.g. creaming sugar and margarine, making frosting). If it makes no difference whether the fat is solid or liquid, I'll use oil.2 -
Always let your fingers do the walking and check on line sources:
Honey Crisp Apple Nutrition Facts, Honey Crisp Apple ...
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Calories in Honey Crisp Apple - Calorie, Fat, Carb, Fiber ...
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Calories in Honeycrisp Apples and Nutrition Facts
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There are 72 calories in 1 medium Honeycrisp Apple.
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stanmann571 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Crust:
1.5 tbsp melted margarine
1.5 tbsp honey
0.75 cup graham cracker crumbs
Filling:
4 egg whites
2.5 cups (rounded) yellow squash, unpeeled, cut into 1/2"-1" pieces
1 cup nonfat dry milk
0.25 cup sugar
1.5 tsp vanilla extract
1.5 tsp pumpkin pie spice
1 tbsp all-purpose flour
1 tsp baking powder
Preheat oven to 350
Combine margarine and honey in 9" pie pan. Add graham cracker crumbs and mix until moistened. Press into bottom and sides of pan to form crust. Bake 5 minutes.
In a blender, combine all filling ingredients. Blend until smooth. Pour into crust, bake 25 minutes, or until set.
Cool slightly, then chill.
(There is a crustless option, where you just bake the filling and serve warm, topped with vanilla ice cream or frozen yogurt. But then it won't be pie.)
8 servings
155 calories, 6g protein, 3g fat (0g Sat fat), 25g carbs, 229 mg sodium, 2mg cholesterol*
*So speaks the cookbook. I find when I use the MFP database, it's often a little bit higher.
Margarine is a crime against humanity.
Although it wouldn't be much higher fat with butter, because the honey and graham crackers bind together really well.
Agreed. I don't use margarine in my house. Butter just tastes so much better.
And doesn't do that wierd melt your popcorn thing when you put it on popcorn. Sadly, that's too many calories for me to do often anymore, because I don't have an air popper and use like three tablespoons of butter. Alas! Woe is me! (I still do it and just work it in,just not as often as I'd like)
Thanks @estherdragonbat. I saved it and will probably make it sometime next month.
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You're welcome!1
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I didn't know this. I thought they were high in carbs. I'm on a low carb diet so I've stopped eating them.
Can I eat them now?0 -
dgmiller1959 wrote: »I didn't know this. I thought they were high in carbs. I'm on a low carb diet so I've stopped eating them.
Can I eat them now?
An average medium apple has 25 grams of carbohydrates. Only you can determine if you want to fit that in your goals for the day.
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MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Although Eric-buddy there is clearly a troll and I have little interest in engaging him directly (heeeeere trolly trolly!), I do think there's an interesting point buried in the horse hockey about how best to ease someone into calorie counting who isn't a complete numbers nut. I mean, I'm basically built for MFP: I find playing with numbers and databases and spreadsheets *soothing.* But my mom, for example, gets really flustered by that kind of thing and I can't imagine her sticking with the kind of tracking I'm doing. So if she said to me, Mega Moose, you look great these days and I want to give calorie counting a try, I probably would recommend a simplified form that did not include low calorie/volume foods, probably using hand-size portion estimates instead of a scale, and modest cardio without eating back exercise calories. And, of course, regular weigh-ins to adjust as needed.
Holy cow--I never would have thought that this thread and the "Why don't people use MFP to set their calorie goals?" threads would converge. And yet they have...
I blame Eric's non-sequitur responses.6 -
dgmiller1959 wrote: »I didn't know this. I thought they were high in carbs. I'm on a low carb diet so I've stopped eating them.
Can I eat them now?
You can eat any food that you enjoy that you decide is worth the calories and fits a particular macro profile that you are aiming for.
I'm not sure why you are asking others for permission to eat apples...5 -
Um.My dietician told me that apples have no affect on the body, especially your blood sugar. She also told me that when you eat the apple with the core, the core acts like a protectant to the carbs and sugar being digested into your system. Pretty cool!
Wow.
I had no idea one could get a "dietitians degree" from a cereal box.8 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Um.My dietician told me that apples have no affect on the body, especially your blood sugar. She also told me that when you eat the apple with the core, the core acts like a protectant to the carbs and sugar being digested into your system. Pretty cool!
Wow.
I had no idea one could get a "dietitians degree" from a cereal box.
They only put those offers on zero-calorie cereals.12 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Um.My dietician told me that apples have no affect on the body, especially your blood sugar. She also told me that when you eat the apple with the core, the core acts like a protectant to the carbs and sugar being digested into your system. Pretty cool!
Wow.
I had no idea one could get a "dietitians degree" from a cereal box.
They only put those offers on zero-calorie cereals.
Maybe Apple Jacks.10 -
stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MystikPixie wrote: »It not calorie free, BUT, better for you than a lot of other things. For instance, a Frito Chili Pie has like 500+ calories in just one cup and loads of fat. Whereas an apple pie you make lighter will have a lot less calories and virtually no fat. What I look at is not only the calorie count but the fat content which is what most diet plans also look at. Like a salad with ranch dressing may be the equivalent to a hamburger on the caloric side, but on the artery side it's much healthier because it doesn't have as much fat.
A normal apple pie will have a LOT of calories and a LOT of fat. I usually make a crust using plenty of butter, for example (and you need some kind of fat for a crust).
Apples themselves are lower cal than a lot of things, but hardly calorie free. No one is saying avoid apples.
I have no clue what a frito chili pie is (I hate fritos, so it doesn't sound good to me), but presumably it has meat, so would be a better meal in some ways (protein) than an apple pie (which no one considers a regular meal, although it might make a nice post Thanksgiving breakfast).
You seem to assume fat is bad, it's not.
A salad with ranch dressing could very easily have far more fat than a burger, if you make the burger with very lean ground beef (as I normally do) and if the majority of calories in the salad are from ranch dressing (but maybe you added a bunch of croutons or something, I dunno). But again fat isn't all that -- the burger has protein, which you need, and the salad (especially if you use a variety of vegetables) has a lot of micros.
(I'm eating a quite caloric salad at the moment with a bunch of vegetables, some chicken for protein, some feta cheese and olives (FAT), and some dressing made with olive oil and red wine vinegar (I hate ranch, but this also has FAT). Pretty sure it's not actually bad for me, and it fits into my day.)
Beat me to it.
Not sure how you would make an apple pie(or any pie) with No/Low fat.
it was crustless...*shudders at the thought*
The "pie" (it's not -- I believe you and I are in agreement here) in the OP was crustless, but the person I was responding too said that apple pie was better than some other pie because no fat. He/she did not specify that it was the "pie" in the OP, so I assumed it was a statement about apple pie generally.
Given some of the other confusions in the post (like salad with ranch dressing that was the same calories as a burger being low fat) I figured the person either didn't have much understanding of the ingredients in an apple pie (a real one, I mean) or of what ingredients and foods have fat in them.0
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