Calories are NOT the enemy!
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Thanks for the replies all.. And interesting read on those links. One last question on topic. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day has been a common theme I've heard all my life. Is it a thing? or just marketing? Is there actual value to stoking the furnace in the morning? Will it make my first workout of the day easier and will it have a positive impact on my metabolic rate as I've seen suggested?
Just marketing. Your metabolism is running all day, even if you don't eat breakfast. Many people are very successful while limiting their eating window to a narrow portion of the day.
Some people do find they workout better when they eat first, others have the opposite experience. You can try both ways and see which you prefer.5 -
It's personal preference. I've seen people post here that until they start eating, they don't actually feel all that hungry. Once they have breakfast, their appetite wakes up. I do prefer a small (roughly 300 calories of fruit, Greek yogurt, and granola bar) breakfast and find it helps me focus better. But really, meal timing has no impact on weight loss in general. It comes down to whether YOU feel better with or without it.2
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Thanks for the replies all.. And interesting read on those links. One last question on topic. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day has been a common theme I've heard all my life. Is it a thing? or just marketing? Is there actual value to stoking the furnace in the morning? Will it make my first workout of the day easier and will it have a positive impact on my metabolic rate as I've seen suggested?
Marketing. I eat breakfast one day a week at a family get together for breakfast each Sunday. The other 6 days of the week I have my first meal after noon.2 -
Lots of well read folk in this thread. I'm interested to know more about the effects of consuming different energy sources at different times of day. For example, I assume it is bad to eat a pile of carbs then go to bed. Or even just to consume most of your daily calories then go to sleep sort of thing. But I don't know the specifics of these things and have yet to find information that makes it abundantly clear.
I often consume big piles of carbs (popcorn) or a good chunk of calories before bed.
Makes no difference.
I can see in another post that you're asking about breakfast. Breakfast eating is a matter of personal preference. If you're hungry, eat. If you're not, wait until you are. The idea that you get some metabolic kickstart by putting food in your body is false.2 -
Well wow, thanks again folks. Shattered some of my illusions there lol. Less to worry about though.
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Well wow, thanks again folks. Shattered some of my illusions there lol. Less to worry about though.
Yep, I found losing weight to be much easier once I found out a lot of things I thought were true were just weight loss myths. Things like "everyone has to eat breakfast" or "don't eat a lot of carbs at night," etc etc.
We get told these things all the time, but it's irrelevant to weight loss (unless they're tricks that make it personally easier for you to reach a calorie deficit).2 -
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Thanks for the replies all.. And interesting read on those links. One last question on topic. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day has been a common theme I've heard all my life. Is it a thing? or just marketing? Is there actual value to stoking the furnace in the morning? Will it make my first workout of the day easier and will it have a positive impact on my metabolic rate as I've seen suggested?
It's a marketing thing that was originally made up by a breakfast cereal company (if you can imagine that).
Another good read about meal frequency and "stoking the furnace": http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/820577/meal-frequency-rev-up-that-furnace-lol1 -
Fun fact: advertising for "breakfast as the most important meal of the day" started with John Kellogg, who believed that starting your day with bland foods like his cornflakes would lead to workers who worked harder and less *kitten* (let's see if that gets through the filter!).3
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So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.3 -
BrianSharpe wrote: »Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
I look at it and see that it fit's for that day/week and enjoy it. Might do this once a month or so.
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All I know is that my day just goes better when I start it with a hearty breakfast straight out of my sugar bag.
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Genetic obesity? Eating at a deficit is disordered eating? Pizza is bad?
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Thanks for the replies all.. And interesting read on those links. One last question on topic. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day has been a common theme I've heard all my life. Is it a thing? or just marketing? Is there actual value to stoking the furnace in the morning? Will it make my first workout of the day easier and will it have a positive impact on my metabolic rate as I've seen suggested?
If memory serves right it was cereal companies that came up with that.0 -
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Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
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Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
The twinkie diet isn't the only study where someone has lost weight eating nothing but junk food.9 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
As people have told you before, if 1,800 is a deficit for someone, they'll lose weight on it. Not sure why you find that suspicious, it's how weight loss happens.8 -
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Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
You don't even know what his diet actually looked like and you're willing to condemn the whole story? Just to help get the facts straight:For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
From: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
I know that you aren't arguing in good faith, but could we at least not spread further misinformation about this guy's intake? It was not just twinkies, doritos, and oreos. That "fact" gets repeated too often around here, on both sides of this debate.8 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
As people have told you before, if 1,800 is a deficit for someone, they'll lose weight on it. Not sure why you find that suspicious, it's how weight loss happens.
Because there are many posters here who make much more drastic calorie cuts than that, and lose very little weight.
The entire story just stinks. Eight weeks of Twinkies. Sure.
I have no idea who exactly you're referring to, but when people don't lose weight when they expect to (or lose much less than they expected), it's because their deficit isn't what they think it is.
And, as has been pointed out to you at least twice, he ate more than just Twinkies. Maybe if you actually understood the story you'd be less likely to dismiss it.6 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
As people have told you before, if 1,800 is a deficit for someone, they'll lose weight on it. Not sure why you find that suspicious, it's how weight loss happens.
Because there are many posters here who make much more drastic calorie cuts than that, and lose very little weight.
The entire story just stinks. Eight weeks of Twinkies. Sure.
Know how we know you didn't actually read the article?7 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
As people have told you before, if 1,800 is a deficit for someone, they'll lose weight on it. Not sure why you find that suspicious, it's how weight loss happens.
Because there are many posters here who make much more drastic calorie cuts than that, and lose very little weight.
The entire story just stinks. Eight weeks of Twinkies. Sure.
Maybe it's because they don't accurately count calories. Even in their head.11 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
You don't even know what his diet actually looked like and you're willing to condemn the whole story? Just to help get the facts straight:For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
From: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
I know that you aren't arguing in good faith, but could we at least not spread further misinformation about this guy's intake? It was not just twinkies, doritos, and oreos. That "fact" gets repeated too often around here, on both sides of this debate.
Look lady, strip a man of his dignity if you must, but don't take away his hyperbole!
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He didn't only eat Twinkies.
Additionally, the story of how he worked with coke has been twisted by internet sites who are against the calories in/out model.
Following the trail of information leads to the information that he ... consulted with Coke. It means nothing.
That information was not hidden, it's disclosed right there on Coke's web site.
http://transparency.coca-colacompany.com/health-professionals-and-scientific-experts
The information sources losing their nut over Haub taking money from Coke start with dietdoctor.com and only get worse from there.
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Ericnutrition wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
You don't even know what his diet actually looked like and you're willing to condemn the whole story? Just to help get the facts straight:For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
From: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
I know that you aren't arguing in good faith, but could we at least not spread further misinformation about this guy's intake? It was not just twinkies, doritos, and oreos. That "fact" gets repeated too often around here, on both sides of this debate.
Therefore, he did not eat a Twinkie diet. Thanks for the head's up.
Again - know how we know you didn't actually read the article? It looks pretty silly and futile to argue against something when one doesn't even know what they're arguing against.10 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
As people have told you before, if 1,800 is a deficit for someone, they'll lose weight on it. Not sure why you find that suspicious, it's how weight loss happens.
Because there are many posters here who make much more drastic calorie cuts than that, and lose very little weight.
The entire story just stinks. Eight weeks of Twinkies. Sure.
So again, I and others have asked you in several threads today, what is your recommendation then for people who want to lose weight. In some posts you have said that you agree that CI<CO will result in weight loss, but you've challenged the long term sustainability of counting calories. Any time the twinkie diet is mentioned, you vehemently proclaim that it is a hoax and reference posters on this site who claim to be on a calorie deficit and not losing. I'm not sure what those two things have to do with each other, but what would your advice to those people be?4 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »Ericnutrition wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »So what's a "good" calorie and what's a "bad" calorie?
Explain how the twinkie diet worked (I would assume that would be all bad calories).
Personally I would commend someone who looked at the menu at the golden arches and upon seeing that their big mac combo is about a zillion calories made a more sensible choice.
Please don't cite the Twinkie Diet.
This was based on ONE professor, who was on Coca Cola's payroll, who was not monitored or supervised. He gave hundreds of interview and never mentioned the Coca Cola funding. Sadly for him, he was outed and embarrassed several years later.
He lost 27 lbs. in eight weeks(!), which is considered unhealthy by most posters here.
And he had this incredible weight loss not by going from 2,500 calories to 1,200 calories, but by going from 2,500 calories to 1,800 calories. Just a little suspicious I would say.
And does anyone really believe someone can eat Twinkies (supplemented reportedly by Doritos and Oreos) for eight weeks straight?
Adios, Twinkie Diet.
You don't even know what his diet actually looked like and you're willing to condemn the whole story? Just to help get the facts straight:For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
From: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
I know that you aren't arguing in good faith, but could we at least not spread further misinformation about this guy's intake? It was not just twinkies, doritos, and oreos. That "fact" gets repeated too often around here, on both sides of this debate.
Therefore, he did not eat a Twinkie diet. Thanks for the head's up.
Mark Haub and other posters are not responsible for your persistent unwillingness to actually understand this.7
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