October 2017 Running Challenge

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  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    edited October 2017
    @PastorVincent did you calibrate the Altimiter on your 935? You're supposed to do that before your first run. I generally recalibrate every few runs, just to make sure. I get Very consistent elevations from my Garmin, and to me that matters more than "is it accurate?" Keep up the testing, it's interesting info. GPS+GLONASS is a definite battery drain, it chopped a bunch off my battery life at my race.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    10/1-6.2 miles 1270 Feet Elevation
    10/2- REST
    10/3- 9
    10/4- 7
    10//5- 9
    10/6- 5
    10/7- 15
    10/8- 5- Felt like being lazy
    10/9- REST
    10/10- 5
    10/11- 5
    10/12- 5
    10/13- 5
    10/14- 8.1- 1476 Feet Elevation
    10/15- REST
    18/16- REST
    10/17- 4
    10/18- 3
    10/19- REST
    10/20- REST
    10/21- 62.2
    10/22- Recovery
    10/23- Recovery
    10/24- Recovery
    10/25- Recovery
    10/26- Recovery
    10/27- Recovery


    Total Miles: 153.5
    Total Elevation: 2746

    October goal: Survive 100k training taper and Wild Duluth 100k
    Nominal Mileage goal: 100 miles.
    Elevation goal: 15000ft

    Today's notes: Right leg is finally starting to feel like I could run. The spot I rubbed raw on my achilles tendon though is still sore, so I may or may not get a run in tomorrow. I'd really like to get back into running, but I also want to make sure my recovery is complete first.

    2017 Races Scheduled
    6/16- William A Irvin 5k
    6/17- Grandma's Marathon 4:24:06
    7/15- Eugene Curnow Trail Marathon 7:22:23
    8/12- UMTR FatAss "Not Quite" 50k DNF, too darn hot out
    8/19- Rampage at the Ridge 5k OCR
    9/23- Ely Marathon 6:24:36
    10/21 Wild Duluth 100k 18:15:51
    11/23- TBD 5k Turkey Trot???

    2018 races (possible)
    4/13- Zumbro Endurance Race
    5/19- Superior Trail 25k
  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    @ddmom0811 I always wanna streak but have yet to have made it. I'll try again this year.

    I kicked myself yesterday in my "not new but different rarely worn" shoes on my run yesterday, repeatedly. I managed to rectify that with a few curse words and kicking my heels up a bit, which means a faster pace.* Pant *curse... My foot with the pain at top middle, seems less offended by these shoes. But my opposite ankle is terribly bruised.

    Usually run in Mizunos with a lower drop and the shoes seem less bulky compared to these Brooks ghosts 9. I think I need new shoes, a new hip.... Some PT, and maybe a pizza.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    @PastorVincent did you calibrate the Altimiter on your 935? You're supposed to do that before your first run. I generally recalibrate every few runs, just to make sure. I get Very consistent elevations from my Garmin, and to me that matters more than "is it accurate?" Keep up the testing, it's interesting info. GPS+GLONASS is a definite battery drain, it chopped a bunch off my battery life at my race.

    @MNLittleFinn It is set to auto-calibrate from GPS data everytime I activate run. If you do it manually you need to do it pretty much every run, especially if you are like men and run at a wide spread of elevations (from sea level to a couple thousand feet) which would require me looking up my elevation before every run until I memorized it.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    @PastorVincent did you calibrate the Altimiter on your 935? You're supposed to do that before your first run. I generally recalibrate every few runs, just to make sure. I get Very consistent elevations from my Garmin, and to me that matters more than "is it accurate?" Keep up the testing, it's interesting info. GPS+GLONASS is a definite battery drain, it chopped a bunch off my battery life at my race.

    @MNLittleFinn It is set to auto-calibrate from GPS data everytime I activate run. If you do it manually you need to do it pretty much every run, especially if you are like men and run at a wide spread of elevations (from sea level to a couple thousand feet) which would require me looking up my elevation before every run until I memorized it.

    Oh and @MNLittleFinn : this is an interesting article about the altimeter:

    https://www.alananna.co.uk/blog/2014/fixing-altimeter-garmin-forerunner-910xt/

    TLDR; It gets full of junk and stops working. Cleaning it fixes it.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    @PastorVincent did you calibrate the Altimiter on your 935? You're supposed to do that before your first run. I generally recalibrate every few runs, just to make sure. I get Very consistent elevations from my Garmin, and to me that matters more than "is it accurate?" Keep up the testing, it's interesting info. GPS+GLONASS is a definite battery drain, it chopped a bunch off my battery life at my race.

    @MNLittleFinn It is set to auto-calibrate from GPS data everytime I activate run. If you do it manually you need to do it pretty much every run, especially if you are like men and run at a wide spread of elevations (from sea level to a couple thousand feet) which would require me looking up my elevation before every run until I memorized it.

    Oh and @MNLittleFinn : this is an interesting article about the altimeter:

    https://www.alananna.co.uk/blog/2014/fixing-altimeter-garmin-forerunner-910xt/

    TLDR; It gets full of junk and stops working. Cleaning it fixes it.

    Oh yeah, knew that... elbow deep in mud... I generally run where I have know Altitides for my starts, like only 3-4 places. once I start branching out more again, I might set it to auto, or just not use it.... FTR, mine has been within about +/- 3% compared to corrected elevation.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    @MNLittleFinn - Today I plan to try manual calibration and see if that makes difference. Assuming I am able to get out. Need find a good place to look it up....
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn - Today I plan to try manual calibration and see if that makes difference. Assuming I am able to get out. Need find a good place to look it up....
    Sounds good. a lot of it is witch doctory, but it's fun to talk about.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn - Today I plan to try manual calibration and see if that makes difference. Assuming I am able to get out. Need find a good place to look it up....
    Sounds good. a lot of it is witch doctory, but it's fun to talk about.

    Nod, and really 90% of what I care about is pace, time, distance and HR. The Garmin nails all that without help. For elevation if ends up I just use "corrected" data, that is no biggie. Not like I am worried about elite competition levels, I am just trying to outlive my need for a pacemaker someday :smiley:
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn - Today I plan to try manual calibration and see if that makes difference. Assuming I am able to get out. Need find a good place to look it up....
    Sounds good. a lot of it is witch doctory, but it's fun to talk about.

    Nod, and really 90% of what I care about is pace, time, distance and HR. The Garmin nails all that without help. For elevation if ends up I just use "corrected" data, that is no biggie. Not like I am worried about elite competition levels, I am just trying to outlive my need for a pacemaker someday :smiley:

    I'm with you on that. Basically I break down "elevation" into: Pancake, not too flat, a little bit of hills, hill day, I hate being Sisyphus
  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    edited October 2017
    ddmom0811 wrote: »
    I think I will do the Holiday Streak again. Yeah, I know last year I said I wouldn't do it again, but it's kind of fun --

    @ddmom0811 I went on a streaking run last summer and it was rather fun, particularly since it was raining. Or are you talking about a different kind of streaking?

    No run for me last night. My son played the "I have too much homework" card and I decided to give my rolled ankle a break. It doesn't hurt really, but every so often I feel something different.

    @rusgolden if you ever decide to give trail running a try, there's a great trail running group in your area called the Trail Nerds. They put on the Pyscho Wyco race (10M/20M/50K) in February at Wyandotta County Lake Park. I plan on running the 50K this February. They're not all about ultras though, they have plenty of shorter races as well, such as a night 5K this Saturday, a 4 mile in November and plenty of other runs in the spring and summer. They also have weekly training runs as well. That would be a great place to start. Trail runners universally are an extremely friendly, helpful group. Show up, tell them you're new, and you will get all the support and friendly advice you could ever want.



  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    @MNLittleFinn and @PastorVincent here's a good article discussing GPS elevation issues

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/understanding-sport-device-gps.html

  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn and @PastorVincent here's a good article discussing GPS elevation issues

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/understanding-sport-device-gps.html

    Yeah, read that in my travels around the web early this AM. Good discussion on Reddit too. The short version is - pretty much in most cases use the "Garmin corrected" values unless you run along cliffs.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn and @PastorVincent here's a good article discussing GPS elevation issues

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/understanding-sport-device-gps.html

    Yeah, read that in my travels around the web early this AM. Good discussion on Reddit too. The short version is - pretty much in most cases use the "Garmin corrected" values unless you run along cliffs.

    I run along some pretty steep drop offs, that's why I try to use the altimeter data when I can, I get more consistent data. I can't speak to the accuracy, but it is more consistent.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn and @PastorVincent here's a good article discussing GPS elevation issues

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/understanding-sport-device-gps.html

    Yeah, read that in my travels around the web early this AM. Good discussion on Reddit too. The short version is - pretty much in most cases use the "Garmin corrected" values unless you run along cliffs.

    I run along some pretty steep drop offs, that's why I try to use the altimeter data when I can, I get more consistent data. I can't speak to the accuracy, but it is more consistent.

    Which is exactly what I would expect - assuming everything I read that I think is true, is true. :)
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn and @PastorVincent here's a good article discussing GPS elevation issues

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/understanding-sport-device-gps.html

    Yeah, read that in my travels around the web early this AM. Good discussion on Reddit too. The short version is - pretty much in most cases use the "Garmin corrected" values unless you run along cliffs.

    I run along some pretty steep drop offs, that's why I try to use the altimeter data when I can, I get more consistent data. I can't speak to the accuracy, but it is more consistent.

    Which is exactly what I would expect - assuming everything I read that I think is true, is true. :)
    Running along steep hills is fun..... it looks like I'm doing short but steep hill repeats a lot of the time,,,,
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @MNLittleFinn and @PastorVincent here's a good article discussing GPS elevation issues

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/understanding-sport-device-gps.html

    Yeah, read that in my travels around the web early this AM. Good discussion on Reddit too. The short version is - pretty much in most cases use the "Garmin corrected" values unless you run along cliffs.

    I run along some pretty steep drop offs, that's why I try to use the altimeter data when I can, I get more consistent data. I can't speak to the accuracy, but it is more consistent.

    Which is exactly what I would expect - assuming everything I read that I think is true, is true. :)
    Running along steep hills is fun..... it looks like I'm doing short but steep hill repeats a lot of the time,,,,

    So just stood where I start my run and compared elevation on the watch to the maps, and was over 100' difference. So I manually calibrated. Then I walked up a 40 foot hill (yes, that is how I START some runs heh - me stupid) and check the value on the watch. It was within a couple feet of the map. Will check it again when I start my run later. In theory going back to the start point should give me my calibration value back +/- a couple feet.

  • seanevan10
    seanevan10 Posts: 385 Member
    edited October 2017
    JessicaMcB wrote: »
    Hit goal, guess I'll go over on October afterall. Some cool stuff brewing in my running sphere atm. Random but does anybody exclusively Altra in here? My PT is trying to convince me to transition to Altra for the zero drop but I am iffy :/


    October 1- 28+7
    October 2- 18
    October 3- 20
    October 4- 15
    October 5- 18
    October 6- Off
    October 7- 32
    October 8- 18
    October 9- 13
    October 10- 8
    October 11- 12
    October 12- Off
    October 13- Off
    October 14- 86
    October 15- Off
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    October 18- 15
    October 19- 16
    October 20- 17
    October 21- 34
    October 22- 18
    October 23- Off
    October 24- 23
    October 25- 19
    October 26- 17
    October 27- 18

    452/450km


    I do. I changed from New balance and mizunos to Altras. I had to always have a pretty wide toe box because I have huge feet. LOL. And I love the Altras compared to the others that had a wide enough toe box. But I also don't come close to running the distances you do. Also, I am probably twice your size at the moment. For me, I like the support/cushioning.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    edited October 2017
    seanevan10 wrote: »
    JessicaMcB wrote: »
    Hit goal, guess I'll go over on October afterall. Some cool stuff brewing in my running sphere atm. Random but does anybody exclusively Altra in here? My PT is trying to convince me to transition to Altra for the zero drop but I am iffy :/

    I do. I changed from New balance and mizunos to Altras. I had to always have a pretty wide toe box because I have huge feet. LOL. And I love the Altras compared to the others that had a wide enough toe box. But I also don't come close to running the distances you do. Also, I am probably twice your size at the moment. For me, I like the support/cushioning.

    I am in New Balance right now - never heard of Altras. Or if I have, I have forgotten. Will have to check them out. I would like a less cushion shoe to swap in and out with my NBs - but I have 4E feet, so makes it tough to find none NB shoes.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    JessicaMcB wrote: »
    Hit goal, guess I'll go over on October afterall. Some cool stuff brewing in my running sphere atm. Random but does anybody exclusively Altra in here? My PT is trying to convince me to transition to Altra for the zero drop but I am iffy :/[/b]

    I LOVE my Altras. Seriously, I wore them for the first 66k of my 100k and the only reason I switched to my Brooks is I wanted dry socks and putting the wet shoes on over dry socks would have defeated the purpose. I honestly love zero drop and am thinking of getting a pair of Altra road shoes because my experience with the trail shoes has been so good.
  • ddmom0811
    ddmom0811 Posts: 1,881 Member
    @7lenny7 - I don't remember hearing about your streak in the rain. I think I'm talking about a different streak. :wink:

    @skippygirlsmom - LOL - yes I guess I do sound a little wishy washy. If the weather would be December weather, I'd say YES!
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    Arg! I just typed up a whole long report on the bourbon chase but didn't have time to finish it so I was copying it to paste or later and accidentally deleted the whole thing!! Arg...I just spent my entire lunch time on that! I guess you all will have to wait a tad bit longer :(
  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    @JessicaMcB I'm not exclusively in Altras but I am working my way to zero drop, minimal cushion. I've come to the conclusion that the things we do to try to make running more comfortable are usually things which prevent our bodies from truly adapting to the activity and therefor contribute to injury.

    I'm too cheap to toss, donate or sell the high drop shoes I already have so I'll use them up and eventually replace with zero drop for both road and trail.

    Currently my two road shoes are high cushion, 10mm drop shoes

    My four pair of trail shoes are split. Two pair are 6mm drop (On CloudVenture and Merrell All Out Charge), two are zero drop (Altra Lone Peak and Merrell Bare Access). I love the Altras and will be getting more of those. I haven't run in the MBA's enough to have an opinion on those. The Cloudventures have a 6mm drop but holy crap are they comfortable! It feels like running in slippers. I may still keep buying those even though they're not zero drop.

    You probably know this, but if you're going to try out zero drop, try it out for short runs once a week at first and work your way into it. A lot of folks have trouble with their Achilles if they switch over all at once.

    @ddmom0811 I may have just posted about my streak, (in the rain, on a remote trail in Wisconsin, at night, in the dark) on my MFP feed.
  • JessicaMcB
    JessicaMcB Posts: 1,503 Member
    Awesome feedback on Altra @seanevan10 , @MNLittleFinn and @7lenny7 , thank you! It would definitely take some doing because I don't really short distance anymore if I can avoid it...maybe carry Guide 10s on my back and switch on the road. How well do you find they last against mileage? I've only got about 3550km (or 2216mi) on the year so far but the number of pairs of Guide 10's, Hurricanes and Nomads I've gone through this year is obscene imo- kind of hoping since Altra is a bit more $$$ it might withstand me better :D
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    JessicaMcB wrote: »
    Awesome feedback on Altra @seanevan10 , @MNLittleFinn and @7lenny7 , thank you! It would definitely take some doing because I don't really short distance anymore if I can avoid it...maybe carry Guide 10s on my back and switch on the road. How well do you find they last against mileage? I've only got about 3550km (or 2216mi) on the year so far but the number of pairs of Guide 10's, Hurricanes and Nomads I've gone through this year is obscene imo- kind of hoping since Altra is a bit more $$$ it might withstand me better :D

    I only have like 100 miles on my Altras and they almost look new. Unless you are hitting super rocky rugged trail, you should get good mileage out of them.
  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    @JessicaMcB Another option to easing in to the zero drop shoe is to run a short loop with them, then come back and change into your normal shoe. Week to week keep increasing the percentage of the run in the zero drop.

    FWIW, while I haven't actually kept track of the numbers, Altra seems to be worn on a very high percentage of trail runners around this area.

    I'm only 100 miles into my first pair so I can't comment on longevity.

    If you ever want to run with gaiters, the Altras are set up for that with velcro on the heel and a loop in front. You can see how that's set up here: https://www.altrarunning.com/trail-gaiters/western-states-gaiter

    "only" got about 3550km....now THAT's funny!

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