October 2017 Running Challenge
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I'll be due for new shoes around Christmas. When I bought my Asics Nimbus, I was 50lbs heavier. That's a great shoe for heavier runners and has served me well, but since I've never been this light, I have no idea what I'm doing in the world of shoes. I have weird people anxiety, so can someone describe to me what it's like to go to a running store and have them fit you for shoes?2
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So, I've been feeling lazy and like I have low mileage for the month. Well, with taking 6 days off after my race last weekend, I've run 10 miles more than I did last October.2
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fitoverfortymom wrote: »I'll be due for new shoes around Christmas. When I bought my Asics Nimbus, I was 50lbs heavier. That's a great shoe for heavier runners and has served me well, but since I've never been this light, I have no idea what I'm doing in the world of shoes. I have weird people anxiety, so can someone describe to me what it's like to go to a running store and have them fit you for shoes?
They just ask you about what kind of running you do, and the make you take off your shoes and walk around. Nothing to it.0 -
Anyone have wide feet want to make suggestions? Defs need a generous toe box if not wide by default.
Also, calf is getting better, but not perfect. My race plan for Sunday is if it doesn't feel right, switch my entry to the 5k and walk it. Then I can still get the cute medal and not hose up my legs.
On day 3.5 of no running and I'm bouncing off the walls. Trying an short .3 miles around the bike path in the park near my house to see how it feels tomorrow, which should give me a sense of if racing on Sunday is actually going to be a thing.
I have to remember I'm training for a HM in December, not a 10k in October. This is just one step of the plan, not the final goal. It's not worth a more dramatic injury which will make me super sad (like, I'm so genuinely bummed this week I can't even stand it) and push out my goal date. I haven't woken up at 4:30 am just about every morning since July to screw it all up.3 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »I'll be due for new shoes around Christmas. When I bought my Asics Nimbus, I was 50lbs heavier. That's a great shoe for heavier runners and has served me well, but since I've never been this light, I have no idea what I'm doing in the world of shoes. I have weird people anxiety, so can someone describe to me what it's like to go to a running store and have them fit you for shoes?
The store I went to was a dedicated running store. They had me run barefoot on a treadmill to watch my running form, quiz me about my running (experience, preferred surface, distance, etc), then pulled out shoes to try on.
The guy pulled out a dozen pair or more. It was crazy. Even after I thought I found the perfect fit, they kept having me try them on. I narrowed it down to two models and they let me run around the parking lot in each pair. They were really cool about that. I bet I could have run a mile in each pair and they wouldn't have had a problem with that. When I couldn't decide, they had me wear one of each. I finally decided on one and ended up going back for the second model later, just to have variety. This store also has a 30-day no questions asked guarantee. If I go run 100 miles and decide they don't work for me, I can take them back.
Find dedicated running stores. Call around to find out they:- Do a gait analysis
- Allow you to do a test run outside of several minutes
- Have a reasonable return policy if the shoe doesn't work out for you.
If they don't check all three boxes, call the next store. A proper running store should be able to cover all three.4 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »I'll be due for new shoes around Christmas. When I bought my Asics Nimbus, I was 50lbs heavier. That's a great shoe for heavier runners and has served me well, but since I've never been this light, I have no idea what I'm doing in the world of shoes. I have weird people anxiety, so can someone describe to me what it's like to go to a running store and have them fit you for shoes?
The store I went to was a dedicated running store. They had me run barefoot on a treadmill to watch my running form, quiz me about my running (experience, preferred surface, distance, etc), then pulled out shoes to try on.
The guy pulled out a dozen pair or more. It was crazy. Even after I thought I found the perfect fit, they kept having me try them on. I narrowed it down to two models and they let me run around the parking lot in each pair. They were really cool about that. I bet I could have run a mile in each pair and they wouldn't have had a problem with that. When I couldn't decide, they had me wear one of each. I finally decided on one and ended up going back for the second model later, just to have variety. This store also has a 30-day no questions asked guarantee. If I go run 100 miles and decide they don't work for me, I can take them back.
Find dedicated running stores. Call around to find out they:- Do a gait analysis
- Allow you to do a test run outside of several minutes
- Have a reasonable return policy if the shoe doesn't work out for you.
If they don't check all three boxes, call the next store. A proper running store should be able to cover all three.
Mine was dedicated also, but nowhere near as fancy. Great knowledge group of runners... but smaller shop. Not been to one as fancy as yours!0 -
I'm fortunate to have three good dedicated running store chains near me. Runners Roost, Road Runner Sports, and Boulder Running Co. If anyone has a preference one over the other, please let me know.2
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PastorVincent wrote: »Mine was dedicated also, but nowhere near as fancy. Great knowledge group of runners... but smaller shop. Not been to one as fancy as yours!
Nothing fancy about it. Just a local, independently owned shop. I bet most running stores in our area have the same policy. No reason any running shop couldn't do the same thing regardless of size or fanciness. Every shoe manufacturer makes allowances for a certain percentage of returns. The store doesn't take the hit. You have to accept the fact, though, that the shoes you buy may have some scuffs on the outsole from others testing them out.
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A good return policy is so important. The first pair I brought I decided not to keep and brought them back to the store the next day, never had them on my feet and they wouldn't take them back. That is when I started going to Fleet Feet. They took spikes back that Skip didn't like after 3 months no questions asked.3
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Haha @7lenny7 if you saw the amount of money Saucony took me for this year you'd think in terms of "only" too
. Thats awesome about the gaiter attachment options, I've been told gaiters are basically a non-negotiable for LSU so any shoe that can more easily adapt to that is A1 in my book. Now to figure what models to try....
@fitoverfortymom my experience with United Cycle in Edmonton was basically identical to the experience @7lenny7 had at his store. And like @skippygirlsmom mentioned they are great about returns- finding a service oriented store with a good knowledge base is important.
There is one Running Room store in the north of Calgary that, because I've raced with the manager a few times and she thinks I'm much cooler than I am
, treats me like the Queen of effing Sheba. Crazy discount, they cut open new packages for me to try stuff, they once let me run 5k in a pair of their Eschelions outside without buying them and drove socks up from the other side of the city for me in one of the sales peoples' personal vehicles because I needed them before I left for Whistler. So don't count out big box stores either, if you can get an in they can almost be better because they have more wiggle in their pricing, etc. than a small business. 1 -
I am 5'4 and 198lbs.I will start by 2 minutes at a time.As I never exercise and I get exhausted very soon.But still give it a try.14
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I am 5'4 and 198lbs.I will start by 2 minutes at a time.As I never exercise and I get exhausted very soon.But still give it a try.
That's about what I did. I did 10 very slow minutes my first day and added a minute on each day I ran until I could run for 30 minutes. Then, I started worrying about speed. I'm still slow as hell, but getting better and more consistent. Good luck!1 -
Only 7 miles away from goal for the month. I have a 5 mile race tomorrow and will do some distances on Sunday and Tuesday so I'll pass 80 miles for the month.
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Date Miles today - Miles for October
10/1 REST DAY
10/2 8 miles - 8
10/3 9 miles - 17
10/4 4 miles - 21
10/5 9 miles - 30
10/6 4 miles - 34
10/7 12 miles - 46
10/8 REST DAY
10/9 REST DAY
10/10 10 miles - 56
10/11 REST DAY (alarm never went off and work was busy all day)
10/12 9.5 miles - 65.5
10/13-18 REST DAYs
10/19 7.5 miles - 73.1
10/20-23 more non running
10/24 6.2 miles - 79.3
10/25 6.2 miles - 85.5
10/26 9.5 miles - 95
10/27 6.2 miles - 101.2
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (unofficial) - 1/21 << 1:46:48 2 OA
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (rescheduled) - 2/18 << 1:41:04 1 in AG & 24 OA
Kentucky Derby Festival Marathon - 4/29 << 4:09:59
Upcoming races:
None so far
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I've got a Halloween 5k on Sunday so thought I'd do an easy 4-5 miles tonight just to loosen up and get myself in the game. I was doing great and was nearly home when up ahead I spotted a woman coming towards me, head down, earbuds in, texting someone and not looking where she was going. I moved to one side because it was obvious she was completely oblivious to her surroundings, so I wanted to give her and me as much space as possible. Just as I ran past her she stepped right into me and knocked me completely off balance. My shoulder crashed into her and she dropped her phone. I was about to stop when she started screaming at me for making her drop her phone. I didn't want to get into an argument, so I kept on going. I could hear her yelling "you made me drop my phone. You made me drop my phone! What's your name? Stop right now!"
I didn't stop. My shoulder was hurting and I could tell I'd twisted my ankle a little bit from where she'd knocked into me. If I could have jumped into the road to get out of her way I would have done, but there were cars all along the street. I feel a bit bad, but I honestly think I did everything I could to avoid her. Just feeling a bit discombobulated now.
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@BruinsGal_91 - Sorry about your shoulder and ankle. Not your fault. She should have been paying attention to where she was going. She dropped her phone.0
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PastorVincent wrote: »Mine was dedicated also, but nowhere near as fancy. Great knowledge group of runners... but smaller shop. Not been to one as fancy as yours!
Nothing fancy about it. Just a local, independently owned shop. I bet most running stores in our area have the same policy. No reason any running shop couldn't do the same thing regardless of size or fanciness. Every shoe manufacturer makes allowances for a certain percentage of returns. The store doesn't take the hit. You have to accept the fact, though, that the shoes you buy may have some scuffs on the outsole from others testing them out.
I was referring to the treadmill and gait analyze... the running store I go to would let me return shoes that I ran a marathon in. Never took them up on it, but yeah, they good about all that.0 -
10/01 - Rest
10/02 - 10 miles Z2
10/03 - 9 miles easy Z2 in the heat
10/04 - Strength + 7 miles Z3/4
10/05 - Strength + 6 miles Z2 in the rain
10/06 - 11 Miles Z2
10/07 - 16 Miles Z2
10/08 - Rest
10/09 - 9 Miles Z2
10/10 - 10.5 miles Z2
10/11 - Strength + 6.25 miles Z2
10/12 - Strength + 7 Miles
10/13 - 7 Miles
10/14 - Stop Drop and Run Race - 4.5 mile
10/15 - 11 miles
10/16 - Rest
10/17 - 7 Miles Easy
10/18 - Strength + 7 miles
10/19 - Strength + 8 miles
10/20 - 7 Miles
10/21 - Rest ( Funeral)
10/22 - Rest (Stuck doing non-running things)
10/23 - 9 Miles
10/24 - 11 Miles
10/25 - 7 Cold Miles
10/26 - 7 Miles @ 8:50 pace
10/27 - 9 miles
Summer Goal: Get my marathon pace below 9 minutes.
Official Marathon PR: 4:11:28
Next Races (more as I find them):
Thanksgiving morning - Turkey Trot - Double Gobbler! (5K + 5 miles)
05/06/18 - Pittsburgh Marathon - aiming for sub four hours.
05/12/18 - Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Ultra (or maybe 30K Still debating)
Bunch of hills, so slower pace but legs more tired.
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ELEVATION GAMES UPDATE
So started out with Garmin manually calibrated. Same thing as last time. Started it and phone roughly around same time. Distance/Pace/Time all reasonably close.
Elevation
Garmin Watch: 541 feet
Garmin Corrected: 872 feet
RunKeeper (uses phone GPS): 869 feet
Strava (imported Garmin data): 657 feet
This time I deleted the auto sync run from Strava, exported the run from Garmin, and uploaded that to Strava and got a new result!
So. Garmin Corrected and RunKeeper are close enough to call a match, while the Garmin watch is under-reporting again. No idea where Strava came up with its number
The Garmin export file does have elevation in it, so should have gotten 541 or 872, but instead it made up a number on its own.
Leaning towards always using Garmin Corrected at this point. I think so far my observations match what has been reported by others - the barometer altimeter is just not accurate.
BUT I think I understand the problem. When I walked out I turned on the altimeter screen and checked it. While standing still I watched my elevation drop slowly, almost 100 feet. I think part of the problem it is too slow to keep up with all the hills I have here.0 -
@BruinsGal_91 people are so self centered sometimes. If it had been me I would have apologized profusely for running into you while I wasn’t paying attention. I can’t believe she blamed you when she was the one on her phone!2
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@JessicaMcB - I haven't tried Altras, though the theory of the wide toe box is attractive. I've been running in Saucony Kinvaras through models 4, 5, and 6 with some model 7's in boxes right now. They worked for me, so I've been reluctant to change. I'm more afraid of using something worse than hopeful of finding something better.
That having been said . . . Asics discontinued the 33-M, which I found to be a very good walking shoe. Local running store had me try Mizuno WaveRunner to replace it, and the WaveRunner is better. I think I could run in the WaveRunners. And I have the Hoka Cliftons that I won in a raffle; I'm really liking them for long runs with lots of concrete and downhill on roads. The common thread here is 4mm drop (maybe 5 on the Hokas, but I can't tell the difference). And I think my cross country spikes are a zero drop.
Long story short, I think I'm in transition from being a died in the wool (not wood) socks Kinvara guy to someone who will try different shoes for different purposes. If all goes well with the Hokas, I want to wear them for Boston. But I don't wan the Hokas for cross country practice; the Kinvaras give me better tactile feedback, though not as much as the real cross country spikes do. And then there are the Saucony Pergrines for snowy roads and when I know in advance that I'll be on moderately technical trails.
@PastorVincent - Interesting discussion on GPS and barometric altimeters. I do not have a barometric altimeter, and I've seen at least one run where the elevation chart from Strava was different from and more believable than the elevation chart from Garmin on the same data. As far as the barometric measurement, I have to wonder what happens to the numbers if the barometric pressure changes while you're running? I envision a flat run along the Erie Canal trail reporting a steep hill when the heavy rain comes through. (up or down? I don't remember which way the barometer moves with a cold front, only that it can be dramatic.)
@BruinsGal_91 - Wow. I'm glad you got away from the irrational person. I'm very glad she wasn't behind the wheel of a car; that likely wouldn't have made any difference to what she was doing.2 -
Awww, I love you guys. Thanks for making me feel a whole lot better. I keep running through the events in my head and trying to think what I could have done differently.
Thankfully my ankle feels fine, and I'm looking forward to my race. AND LOOK AT MY BIB #. How cool is that? (Bib # will bear absolutely no relation to where I finish).
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@BruinsGal_91 You could not have done anything different. You did everything right. I'm glad you are ok. Love the bib!0
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@BruinsGal_91 That is an amazing bib. Sorry for the mean lady. Mean people are the worst.0
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@PastorVincent - Interesting discussion on GPS and barometric altimeters. I do not have a barometric altimeter, and I've seen at least one run where the elevation chart from Strava was different from and more believable than the elevation chart from Garmin on the same data. As far as the barometric measurement, I have to wonder what happens to the numbers if the barometric pressure changes while you're running? I envision a flat run along the Erie Canal trail reporting a steep hill when the heavy rain comes through. (up or down? I don't remember which way the barometer moves with a cold front, only that it can be dramatic.)
Yeah, there are lots of ways I can see it being inaccurate. I am sure even wind can mess with it. I think at this stage I will just accept that "Garmin Corrected" is probably close enough and not worry about it.
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fitoverfortymom wrote: »I'm fortunate to have three good dedicated running store chains near me. Runners Roost, Road Runner Sports, and Boulder Running Co. If anyone has a preference one over the other, please let me know.
Being from boulder, I love boulder ruining co. But runners roost was good.0 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »Anyone have wide feet want to make suggestions? Defs need a generous toe box if not wide by default.
Also, calf is getting better, but not perfect. My race plan for Sunday is if it doesn't feel right, switch my entry to the 5k and walk it. Then I can still get the cute medal and not hose up my legs.
On day 3.5 of no running and I'm bouncing off the walls. Trying an short .3 miles around the bike path in the park near my house to see how it feels tomorrow, which should give me a sense of if racing on Sunday is actually going to be a thing.
I have to remember I'm training for a HM in December, not a 10k in October. This is just one step of the plan, not the final goal. It's not worth a more dramatic injury which will make me super sad (like, I'm so genuinely bummed this week I can't even stand it) and push out my goal date. I haven't woken up at 4:30 am just about every morning since July to screw it all up.
I have big and wide. I liked new balance because they had 4e. But altra had been nice because wide toe box.0 -
@BruinsGal_91 people are so self centered sometimes. If it had been me I would have apologized profusely for running into you while I wasn’t paying attention. I can’t believe she blamed you when she was the one on her phone!
Agreed. You should have asked HER name and and told her that she was responsible for your injuries. Which she is.
I hope her phone is broken. She needs time away from it. I'm sorry she was so selfish. I hope your ankle and shoulder are better soon.1 -
Family did the zombie 5K run tonight. Fun dark run with lots of zombies and zigzaging! That was an intense interval workout. 8 yr old wasn't scared and finished near the front of the pack! I was "infected" and finished significantly behind him. Can I do 16.5 miles in 4 days? I guess we'll see how the foot feels tomorrow. .
Day/Distance/Comments
10/1 5 mi (+ 1 mile walk) + serious stretch program (Gymnastic Bodies Front Split)
10/2 Water walking
10/3 3 mi + light yoga
10/4 Walking + yoga
10/5 3 mi + PT (scraping + treadmill + stretch + strength)
10/6 Walking + PT (stretching + scraping + ultrasound + H-wave)
10/7 4 mi (+ 1 mile walk) + yoga and PT moves
10/8 6 mi (+ 1 mile walk) + Gymnastic Bodies Front Split stretch routine + PT
10/9 3 mi slowish with youth XC team + 40 min water walking + PT
10/10 Walk for 45 min + PT moves
10/11 Walk for 45 min + a little PT
10/12 3.5 mi (+1 mi walk) + PT
10/13 Walk for 45 min
10/14 Ran about 1 mi plus some walking
10/15 Ran 4 mi + walked 1 mi + restorative yoga + PT
10/16 Ran 8 mi + walked 1 mi + Gymnastic Bodies Front Split stretch routine
10/17 Walked a lot marking trails for fun run
10/18 Ran 3 mi marking new trail for fun run in Strava
10/19 Walked a lot marking trail for fun run, did Yin Yoga class (with sandbags)
10/20 Walked over 10 mi marking trail for fun run
10/21 Ran 1st 5k in almost a year! Planted geocaches and hosted a party
10/22 Did some walking to fix geocaches + PT
10/23 Water walking
10/24 Ran 4 mi on the indoor track + walked 1 mi
10/25 Walked for an hour + Gymnastic Bodies Front Split stretch routine + PT
10/26 Ran 5 mi + walked 1 mi + PT
10/27 Walked a bit + zombie run 5K + PT
Goal: 75 mi
Total: 58.5 mi
To go: 16.5 mi
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@PastorVincent - Interesting discussion on GPS and barometric altimeters. I do not have a barometric altimeter, and I've seen at least one run where the elevation chart from Strava was different from and more believable than the elevation chart from Garmin on the same data. As far as the barometric measurement, I have to wonder what happens to the numbers if the barometric pressure changes while you're running? I envision a flat run along the Erie Canal trail reporting a steep hill when the heavy rain comes through. (up or down? I don't remember which way the barometer moves with a cold front, only that it can be dramatic.)
@MobyCarp I think something like this happened during my marathon. The elevation on the chart gradually decreased throughout, even though it was a flat 3-loop course. The weather during the 4:54:41 gradually went from cold and windy with a spot of rain, to cool but sunny.
(I've got the Fenix 5)
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