Of refeeds and diet breaks
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ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minute
VintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.
Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.
Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.
Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.9 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
That's going to do nothing to solve an immune response.
Nony is a scientist of sorts.
This thread is based on science. Do you have something science-based to contribute?
You just wanna flame someone don't you? Lol. Luckily im too tired for squabbles as of this hour. She's replied and said her piece, happy days.8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Happy for you and jealous, heh. I am sat here giving myself a pep talk. I only have two weeks until diet break (I will have two weeks tomorrow (Friday) as my last deficit day before Christmas but I am OVER IT. At the same time I have been so consistent for the first time since the new year that I am impressed with myself and want to fully see it through. Because I have to get to goal reasonably soon or I will drive myself even more bonkers than I already am.
You will get there
I feel bad for being such a Debby Downer when I know others are gritting their teeth and kicking the scales.
I need to work out what all this means in terms of cals and strength training etc. Obviously I want to see the whole of Strong Curves through (if I can make it past Day 1 of week 4 ffs) and build strength, but in terms of fat loss I'm at a yeah, nah stage. 'Cept my thighs. Are we sure I can't spot reduce?
I forgot to address this yesterday, but... depending on who you want to believe - I mean, it's Menno ... it's plausible lol (ʘ‿ʘ)
https://bayesianbodybuilding.com/science-spot-reduction-myth/
Well, it's been my anecdotal experience that lower body work in the form of running combined with resistance work and a deficit does thin down stubborn thighs.
Now if I could just make it target saddle bags, I'd be really, really happy.
Also, I don't know if that thinning down is more pronounced than it would be without those things. Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that when I was at my lowest weight, I was happy with the way things were going. Except for the damned saddle bags.
I should really just not worry until the water weight is gone and I can see what's actually happening there.
Now I am going to go to the lingerie shop and look at pretty things to make myself feel better.2 -
ForeverPrimed wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
That's going to do nothing to solve an immune response.
Nony is a scientist of sorts.
This thread is based on science. Do you have something science-based to contribute?
You just wanna flame someone don't you? Lol. Luckily im too tired for squabbles as of this hour. She's replied and said her piece, happy days.
I replied to the thread as I read along and didn't see her response. Chill.6 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.
Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.
Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.
Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.
What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.16 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
That's going to do nothing to solve an immune response.
Nony is a scientist of sorts.
This thread is based on science. Do you have something science-based to contribute?
You just wanna flame someone don't you? Lol. Luckily im too tired for squabbles as of this hour. She's replied and said her piece, happy days.
I replied to the thread as I read along and didn't see her response. Chill.
Me chill? Lol. I'm easy, trust me.5 -
ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.
Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.
Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.
Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.
What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.
So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.
And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?5 -
Suggesting water fasts in a thread about the science of refeeds and diet breaks. LOL.12
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collectingblues wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.
Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.
Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.
Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.
What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.
So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.
And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?
Be honest, It was over when she declined. It got streeeetched out by yourself and others. And no I'm not pushing starving ones self. I suggested an extreme solution as water fasting (I didn't specify a length. I should've mentioned 1-3 days but that's neither here nor there). My other comment was the dismal of lesser fasting such as (IF) having no physical benefit whatsoever. The only reason I originally suggested water fasting was because that along with taking L-gluatime for 3 days fixed an IBS issue I was previously stuck with.8 -
*sigh* well I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later! I know it was fruitless, but I had hoped we could have stayed hidden for a bit longer7
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So because I'm terrified of this thread getting derailed from the beautiful love-in of science and ummm eating it currently is I am slamming on the brakes and changing the subject.
I am a week away from my annual "eat at maintenance for the holidays" so my refeed experiment will be ending shortly. I seem to have lost a lb over the month or so I've been doing it, which is cool. I will for sure go back to this pattern of eating 100 cals short of my desired 250 cal deficit during the week and eating maintenance on the weekend once the end of January rolls around. I am also trying to lift heavy things consistently through this maintenance stretch because muscles are purty and I want to continue to lay the groundwork for REALLY building muscle at some point when I'm ready to commit to fueling that sort of thing
I am struggling to hold out until next week to raise my calories, because I am freezing all the time and would love to be fighting that with stew and mac & cheese and hot baked things. Probably not worth the struggle for one more week, but I like tradition and structure dammit.
Sorry to mention the cold Nony! I typically love winter and am miserable during the summer months, but I am feeling the cold more than usual and I'm blaming it on my evolutionary desire to stay warm with some extra fat LOL!8 -
Someone post some more cat/dog pics, stat!!2
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ForeverPrimed wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.
Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.
Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.
Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.
What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.
So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.
And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?
Be honest, It was over when she declined. It got streeeetched out by yourself and others. And no I'm not pushing starving ones self. I suggested an extreme solution as water fasting (I didn't specify a length. I should've mentioned 1-3 days but that's neither here nor there). My other comment was the dismal of lesser fasting such as (IF) having no physical benefit whatsoever. The only reason I originally suggested water fasting was because that along with taking L-gluatime for 3 days fixed an IBS issue I was previously stuck with.
Do you understand how internet forums work? People come onto them at various times as their schedules permit and respond as they read along.
It's helpful if you keep that in mind.
Also? IBS in no way relates to an autoimmune issue like eczema. I won't even bother addressing your other claims in the interest of no longer further derailing the thread.
Please, you have nothing productive to offer on topic, which is the subject of adaptation to dieting. Fasting is the polar opposite of the subject of this thread.5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Someone post some more cat/dog pics, stat!!
I shall unlurk (delurk?) to share this delightful picture of my 3.5 month old kitten.
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So because I'm terrified of this thread getting derailed from the beautiful love-in of science and ummm eating it currently is I am slamming on the brakes and changing the subject.
I am a week away from my annual "eat at maintenance for the holidays" so my refeed experiment will be ending shortly. I seem to have lost a lb over the month or so I've been doing it, which is cool. I will for sure go back to this pattern of eating 100 cals short of my desired 250 cal deficit during the week and eating maintenance on the weekend once the end of January rolls around. I am also trying to lift heavy things consistently through this maintenance stretch because muscles are purty and I want to continue to lay the groundwork for REALLY building muscle at some point when I'm ready to commit to fueling that sort of thing
I am struggling to hold out until next week to raise my calories, because I am freezing all the time and would love to be fighting that with stew and mac & cheese and hot baked things. Probably not worth the struggle for one more week, but I like tradition and structure dammit.
Sorry to mention the cold Nony! I typically love winter and am miserable during the summer months, but I am feeling the cold more than usual and I'm blaming it on my evolutionary desire to stay warm with some extra fat LOL!
Ha, I am also at the "can Christmas eating deficit stopping time just be here already!!" stage. Mind you, going to have to drop some dollar because cats and their shenanigans tomorrow so probably for the best I'm eating less and costing myself less money.......
Cat pictures you say? Well if you say so!
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MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Someone post some more cat/dog pics, stat!!
I shall unlurk (delurk?) to share this delightful picture of my 3.5 month old kitten.
Thank you Mega
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So because I'm terrified of this thread getting derailed from the beautiful love-in of science and ummm eating it currently is I am slamming on the brakes and changing the subject.
I am a week away from my annual "eat at maintenance for the holidays" so my refeed experiment will be ending shortly. I seem to have lost a lb over the month or so I've been doing it, which is cool. I will for sure go back to this pattern of eating 100 cals short of my desired 250 cal deficit during the week and eating maintenance on the weekend once the end of January rolls around. I am also trying to lift heavy things consistently through this maintenance stretch because muscles are purty and I want to continue to lay the groundwork for REALLY building muscle at some point when I'm ready to commit to fueling that sort of thing
I am struggling to hold out until next week to raise my calories, because I am freezing all the time and would love to be fighting that with stew and mac & cheese and hot baked things. Probably not worth the struggle for one more week, but I like tradition and structure dammit.
Sorry to mention the cold Nony! I typically love winter and am miserable during the summer months, but I am feeling the cold more than usual and I'm blaming it on my evolutionary desire to stay warm with some extra fat LOL!
We're expecting 4-6 inches of snow here tomorrow. I am cold all the time too (it's one of the reasons my NEAT is so high, when I'm cold, I get up and walk on my treadmill or bust out a couple of sets of body weight exercises to warm up).
Anyway, my sister and I are supposed to meet up for lunch with our second (it could be third or half-second) cousins (they are the children of the daughter of my grandmother's half-sister) who we haven't seen since we were pre-teens. We used to get together as families quite often and had sleepovers a lot when we were kids. I was looking forward to having a restaurant meal for my refeed day.
The snow is supposed to be heavy. I hope we don't have to cancel. One of my cousins does have to travel quite a bit to get there.4 -
*please send snow to Nony*3
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »*please send snow to Nony*
I would build and send you a snowman if I could. It's apparently already snowing at the coast. I follow a feed from the shore town where we vacation. They just posted a live shot on Facebook.2 -
Barely creeping above zero (celsius) tomorrow and I have to try and get to Ikea before the make me want to hurt people Saturday family day out hordes. Getting into a cold car is one of the least fun things to do and I can't pre-warm it because I have to park round the corner. Brr.1
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Caturday has started early!!!!3
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MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Someone post some more cat/dog pics, stat!!
I shall unlurk (delurk?) to share this delightful picture of my 3.5 month old kitten.
Mine is 9 months and when I say he's a handful, I am downplaying it. I have dealt with many a kitten in my time, including his notorious predecessor Dave and nothing comes close to the chaos and carnage the ginger one wreaks.2 -
It's not even unusually cold here, I'm just not up for it yet.
This is like a summary gif: cat, snow, insulating layer of fat, it's what my monkey brain wants me to think
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Fungians ლ,ᔑ•ﺪ͟͠•ᔐ.ლSo because I'm terrified of this thread getting derailed from the beautiful love-in of science and ummm eating it currently is I am slamming on the brakes and changing the subject.
I am a week away from my annual "eat at maintenance for the holidays" so my refeed experiment will be ending shortly. I seem to have lost a lb over the month or so I've been doing it, which is cool. I will for sure go back to this pattern of eating 100 cals short of my desired 250 cal deficit during the week and eating maintenance on the weekend once the end of January rolls around. I am also trying to lift heavy things consistently through this maintenance stretch because muscles are purty and I want to continue to lay the groundwork for REALLY building muscle at some point when I'm ready to commit to fueling that sort of thing
I am struggling to hold out until next week to raise my calories, because I am freezing all the time and would love to be fighting that with stew and mac & cheese and hot baked things. Probably not worth the struggle for one more week, but I like tradition and structure dammit.
Sorry to mention the cold Nony! I typically love winter and am miserable during the summer months, but I am feeling the cold more than usual and I'm blaming it on my evolutionary desire to stay warm with some extra fat LOL!
Don't worry about starting maintenance early. Hell, I did it in the middle of this week lol. My body just couldn't handle the overtraining anymore, evidenced by poor recovery, lifts getting weaker, general joint pain. I could also be getting old, but meh. Strategic maintenance/slight surplus is in full effect for the next 3 months. I'm gettin fat y'all! Ha.7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »ForeverPrimed wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.
An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.
I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.
I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.
It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minuteVintageFeline wrote: »Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*
Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.
So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.
Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?
I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.
ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!
I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there
Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?
Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.
Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.
Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.
Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.
What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.
So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.
And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?
Be honest, It was over when she declined. It got streeeetched out by yourself and others. And no I'm not pushing starving ones self. I suggested an extreme solution as water fasting (I didn't specify a length. I should've mentioned 1-3 days but that's neither here nor there). My other comment was the dismal of lesser fasting such as (IF) having no physical benefit whatsoever. The only reason I originally suggested water fasting was because that along with taking L-gluatime for 3 days fixed an IBS issue I was previously stuck with.
Do you understand how internet forums work? People come onto them at various times as there schedules permit and respond as they read along.
It's helpful if you keep that in mind.
Also? IBS in no way relates to an autoimmune issue like eczema. I won't even bother addressing your other claims in the interest of no longer further derailing the thread.
Please, you have nothing productive to offer on topic, which is the subject of adaptation to dieting. Fasting is the polar opposite of the subject of this thread.
Lol, cheer up and stop holding bitterness deep in your soul. There's no need to type your twisted rage to a stranger
. I'm hardly likely to treat you with respect if you keep talking in that manner.
I'll leave you guys to it. Apologies for remixing the thread dear researches. It's been fun.9 -
Looks like catmas came early for the interwebz.8 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Someone post some more cat/dog pics, stat!!
I shall unlurk (delurk?) to share this delightful picture of my 3.5 month old kitten.
Mine is 9 months and when I say he's a handful, I am downplaying it. I have dealt with many a kitten in my time, including his notorious predecessor Dave and nothing comes close to the chaos and carnage the ginger one wreaks.
I've adopted four adult or adolescent cats in a row, and not too long after number three died had the opportunity to go kitten for the first time in my adult life. She is a delight, but it really is a lot more work than I remember. Almost as if my mom handled the brunt of it back when I was 11...3 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Someone post some more cat/dog pics, stat!!
I shall unlurk (delurk?) to share this delightful picture of my 3.5 month old kitten.
This is hysterical!
And I believe the appropriate term is "delurk". Though it still gets the red squiggly line. Dr. Google tells me delurk be a word.6 -
My eldest two are litter mates, so had each other for amusement. Highly recommend. Toby was probably under a year old when he turned up, but of course would not come near me at all for a while, and then only ever got to letting me sit 0.5-1m away while he ate, very occasionally he would sniff my fingers if I held my hand out. I always said to him (and everybody) that I was sure he was a very sweet cat, and I was right. Loviest little lovebug 4
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I had a low appetite the past four days, so I took advantage and had a steep enough deficit so that I could have a 3 day refeed this weekend 5
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