Of refeeds and diet breaks

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.

An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.

I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.

I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.

It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minute

VintageFeline wrote: »

Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*

Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.


So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.

Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?

I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.

ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!

I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there

Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?

Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.

Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.

Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.

Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.

What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.

An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.

I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.

I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.

It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minute

VintageFeline wrote: »

Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*

Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.


So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.

Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?

I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.

ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!

I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there

Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?

Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.

Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.

Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.

Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.

What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.

So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.

And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?

collectingblues wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.

An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.

I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.

I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.

It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minute

VintageFeline wrote: »

Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*

Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.


So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.

Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?

I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.

ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!

I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there

Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?

Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.

Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.

Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.

Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.

What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.

So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.

And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?

Be honest, It was over when she declined. It got streeeetched out by yourself and others. And no I'm not pushing starving ones self. I suggested an extreme solution as water fasting (I didn't specify a length. I should've mentioned 1-3 days but that's neither here nor there). My other comment was the dismal of lesser fasting such as (IF) having no physical benefit whatsoever. The only reason I originally suggested water fasting was because that along with taking L-gluatime for 3 days fixed an IBS issue I was previously stuck with.

So because I'm terrified of this thread getting derailed from the beautiful love-in of science and ummm eating it currently is I am slamming on the brakes and changing the subject.

I am a week away from my annual "eat at maintenance for the holidays" so my refeed experiment will be ending shortly. I seem to have lost a lb over the month or so I've been doing it, which is cool. I will for sure go back to this pattern of eating 100 cals short of my desired 250 cal deficit during the week and eating maintenance on the weekend once the end of January rolls around. I am also trying to lift heavy things consistently through this maintenance stretch because muscles are purty and I want to continue to lay the groundwork for REALLY building muscle at some point when I'm ready to commit to fueling that sort of thing

I am struggling to hold out until next week to raise my calories, because I am freezing all the time and would love to be fighting that with stew and mac & cheese and hot baked things. Probably not worth the struggle for one more week, but I like tradition and structure dammit.

Sorry to mention the cold Nony! I typically love winter and am miserable during the summer months, but I am feeling the cold more than usual and I'm blaming it on my evolutionary desire to stay warm with some extra fat LOL!

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

collectingblues wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

ForeverPrimed wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

Jo, your cat is my dream cat. Just gorgeous.

An update from me. I wanted to collect more data without Thanksgiving muddying the waters. Another week, another faster than expected loss. I think one more week of this and I'll make definite adjustments.

I'm down a pound a half from my previous low. Which is way too fast for my current weight.

I will also add that I think that this is down partially to implementing this process. It makes weight loss very efficient.

It really does, doesn't it? Please take over as new poster child, since I inadvertently messed up at the last minute

VintageFeline wrote: »

Now I'm bitter everyone is getting faster than expected losses. *Wanders off swearing under my breath*

Eczema diet. I'm telling ya.


So I flared big time yesterday. No rash, pred seems to still be holding that at bay (last dose was yesterday morning), but my skin dried out incredibly, and I just hurt - skin, bones, muscles. Ended up just going and curling up on my bed after dinner. I'm going to be super, duper, ridiculously over the top with emollient cream today, total body every few hours and hot spots the second they don't feel greasy.

Have you looked into FODMAPs for eczema?

I have looked into everything for eczema. Trust me.

ETA, sorry if that sounded snippy Sleep deprived, flaring, redhead, all makes for short-fused Nony!!

I'm going on two years of chronic eczema (with life history of sporadic outbreaks). Researcher by nature, researcher by trade, so I have done my homework on this one! What we (I, doctor concurs) have established thus far: chronic eczema probably related to perimenopause; definite seasonal aspect (worse in summer); some food triggers (eggs, tomatoes, gluten); probably a mass of environmental triggers (pollen, also get wicked hay fever now, I live on antihistamines); heat, esp. dry heat, does not help (it hasn't rained here for a month, and it's only just the start of summer). Keeping skin moisturised (ie providing a barrier to the environmentals) is super, super important. I should just fill my tub with emollient cream at this point and stay in there

Ouchie. Hmm.. Have you ever gone all out and water fasted for an extended period?

Funny thing, but I don't recall Nony requesting eczema advise. Advice given that has not been requested is generally not appreciated. Even more so when that advice involves woo solutions like water fasts.

Yeah, I figured I'd covered it with stating I have read everything. Everything. Am a researcher, history, etc.

Oh and just so we're clear, that fuse of mine is at its very end. Suggesting dumb-*kitten* *kitten* to me is not helpful, is insulting to my intelligence, and actually *kitten* offensive.

Friends, please feel free to continue with hugs and sympathy. They are always gratefully accepted, and I hope you all know how very much I appreciate your ongoing support through this.

What fuse? Lmao. You're making yourself angry my dear. Yes fasting may not solve eczema but to totally dismiss cyclic fasting (to various degrees) as beneficial to the body while being a proclaimed researcher is just laughable. No one is saying fasting cures cancer. Stop ttriggering yourself.

So to actually bring science back into this: Show me the peer-reviewed articles showing benefits of water fasting.

And, perhaps check your perspective. Multiple people have (largely) politely told you that it's not helpful, and is actually pretty hurtful. Why do you insist on hammering it anyway, in a thread that is about providing fuel that bodies need instead of starving them?

Be honest, It was over when she declined. It got streeeetched out by yourself and others. And no I'm not pushing starving ones self. I suggested an extreme solution as water fasting (I didn't specify a length. I should've mentioned 1-3 days but that's neither here nor there). My other comment was the dismal of lesser fasting such as (IF) having no physical benefit whatsoever. The only reason I originally suggested water fasting was because that along with taking L-gluatime for 3 days fixed an IBS issue I was previously stuck with.

Do you understand how internet forums work? People come onto them at various times as their schedules permit and respond as they read along.

It's helpful if you keep that in mind.

Also? IBS in no way relates to an autoimmune issue like eczema. I won't even bother addressing your other claims in the interest of no longer further derailing the thread.

Please, you have nothing productive to offer on topic, which is the subject of adaptation to dieting. Fasting is the polar opposite of the subject of this thread.

kimny72 wrote: »

So because I'm terrified of this thread getting derailed from the beautiful love-in of science and ummm eating it currently is I am slamming on the brakes and changing the subject.

I am a week away from my annual "eat at maintenance for the holidays" so my refeed experiment will be ending shortly. I seem to have lost a lb over the month or so I've been doing it, which is cool. I will for sure go back to this pattern of eating 100 cals short of my desired 250 cal deficit during the week and eating maintenance on the weekend once the end of January rolls around. I am also trying to lift heavy things consistently through this maintenance stretch because muscles are purty and I want to continue to lay the groundwork for REALLY building muscle at some point when I'm ready to commit to fueling that sort of thing

I am struggling to hold out until next week to raise my calories, because I am freezing all the time and would love to be fighting that with stew and mac & cheese and hot baked things. Probably not worth the struggle for one more week, but I like tradition and structure dammit.

Sorry to mention the cold Nony! I typically love winter and am miserable during the summer months, but I am feeling the cold more than usual and I'm blaming it on my evolutionary desire to stay warm with some extra fat LOL!

Ha, I am also at the "can Christmas eating deficit stopping time just be here already!!" stage. Mind you, going to have to drop some dollar because cats and their shenanigans tomorrow so probably for the best I'm eating less and costing myself less money.......

Cat pictures you say? Well if you say so!