Diet soda
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rileysowner wrote: »My point to posting the link was to simply show that the debate on Diet Soda still exists (whether you want to believe that or not...many people still question it). It is not a closed case. That is all I was trying to show. I'm not trying to prove it's harmful...I'm not trying to prove its safe...I'm just showing that it is not a closed case as many of you say it is.
I guess that means the jury is still out on whether the earth is round or flat since some people question it.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/b-o-b-flat-earth-gofundme-trnd/index.html
That is not how it works.
You are really hilarious...really.
Scientist, universities etc are still doing research on aspartame and artificial sweetners. Have they come to any conclusive evidence? No. But there is enough doubt that they continue to study it. That is why every month or so there is a news story on it...because some people still care to learn more. Science is always evolving...That is all I'm saying.
Diet soda may very well be safe. I won't deny that. But it also has the potential to be harmful.
Why it's so important for this forum to ALWAYS prove they are safe to anyone who questions it is a bit concerning. What's the agenda?
There is a new news story about it every month or so because it's a guaranteed way to get clicks and ad revenue. News sites and blogs don't pick and choose which stories to cover based on merit any longer. They choose stories they know will be shared and spread on large sites like this in the hope of making more money from the ads. You're grasping for some kind of appeal to authority that just doesn't work. You put your faith in blogs and news sites that will post two to five articles for every study with varying conclusions knowing full well Aunt Agatha will post them to her Facebook if they make the headline sound scary enough.6 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'm genuinely curious how often/how much the vehement pro diet soda advocates drink diet soda... Everyday, regularly? Knowing this will make their position a lot easier to understand
I'm not sure anyone is 'vehemently pro diet soda' - more vehemently pro accurate information.
But since you asked and since i pop up in these threads on what I call the pro accurate information side - my own personal consumption is an average of about 2 - 3 cans per week.
Some people drink more - the main reason I do not is not because I see that as the cut off point but more that most days all I drink is plain water and 3 or 4 cups of unsweetened coffee.
But when I drink alcohol (which is once or twice a week at most) I do use diet soda as the mixer because less calories than regular and when I go out to a party or to a meal in a restaurant/cafe I want something cold but different than water and so I get diet soda.
My being on the side of pro accurate information would apply just as much to drinks I drink more of than diet soda, like water or coffee, and to drinks I drink but less often like milk or apple juice and to drinks I never drink like green smoothies.
I'm not sure how knowing how often I drink something makes my position easier to understand though- my position isnt about me personally and doesnt change dependant on whether I myself consume product in question.
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run2brazil wrote: »Hi all! My aunt has been trying to lose her extra weight and has struggled in the last year specifically, (endured many health scares this year too). The one thing (that she constantly goes back to) is EXCESSIVE diet soda drinking. I'm positive this does not help the weight loss, but she gives it up and then always goes back, harder than ever. Any suggestions to help her kick the habit?!
How much is she actually consuming? What is it contributing to the numbers on her MFP daily chart?
Does your aunt exercise? What is her daily or weekly calorie burn? Is there a deficit or a surplus at the end of each day?
The best tip I can give is that careful analysis of the chart over a while will give you an idea what foods or drinks need to be reduced, or what level of exercise needs to be incorporated into the weekly routine, in order to lose weight.
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I'm not pro diet soda, I'm pro let's not try to stop someone consuming something they enjoy that objectively, all current evidence and evidence gathered in the last 50 years is safe to consume in the doses, even at the upper end, the average person consumes.
I'm anti panic for pretty close to no reason.
I drink diet soda very rarely, usually ginger ale or cherry coke I think. Maybe Dr Pepper. Oh or Irn-Bru 'cos Scottish. I think the last one i had was 3 weeks ago on my way to my physio appointment.
But I do drink what we in the UK call squash. Water flavouring you dilute. No added sugar (so basically sugar free) and I get through quite a lot. Have done for about 20 years as never been a huge soda drinker. I'm sure I'm going to drop dead tomorrow.4 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'm genuinely curious how often/how much the vehement pro diet soda advocates drink diet soda... Everyday, regularly? Knowing this will make their position a lot easier to understand
I pack a 20-oz bottle with the lunch that I take to school each day, so 5/week. Plus I might get a 20-oz bottle from the vending machine once every week or two. Don't order it at restaurants, because it's ridiculously overpriced. However, I put artificial sweetener in many of the other beverages I drink (tea, coffee, lemonade) as well. So, soda pretty regularly but not in large amounts. Artificial sweetener, all the kittening time.NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
This is an unbelievably broad statement. You always have to bring SOME ingredients INTO the kitchen to make the foods. So... what's okay to bring in? Obviously not soda. Flour? I can't make that in my kitchen either. But it's okay to use as an ingredient, I'm guessing. So the soda must be okay to bring in if you use it as an ingredient but not by itself.
So by this logic, it would be perfectly find to bring diet Coke and rum into my kitchen and mix them... and consume them daily!6 -
rileysowner wrote: »My point to posting the link was to simply show that the debate on Diet Soda still exists (whether you want to believe that or not...many people still question it). It is not a closed case. That is all I was trying to show. I'm not trying to prove it's harmful...I'm not trying to prove its safe...I'm just showing that it is not a closed case as many of you say it is.
I guess that means the jury is still out on whether the earth is round or flat since some people question it.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/b-o-b-flat-earth-gofundme-trnd/index.html
That is not how it works.
Scientist, universities etc are still doing research on aspartame and artificial sweetners. Have they come to any conclusive evidence? No. But there is enough doubt that they continue to study it. That is why every month or so there is a news story on it...because some people still care to learn more. Science is always evolving...That is all I'm saying.
Researchers do lots of studies on education as well. Here's a hint: it's not because they think it's harmful. There are LOTS of other possible reasons to research something.
The fact that research is still being done on artificial sweeteners is NOT reason to doubt that they're safe.7 -
NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?5 -
Everyday. At least 2 cans.Christine_72 wrote: »I'm genuinely curious how often/how much the vehement pro diet soda advocates drink diet soda... Everyday, regularly? Knowing this will make their position a lot easier to understand
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Christine_72 wrote: »I'm genuinely curious how often/how much the vehement pro diet soda advocates drink diet soda... Everyday, regularly? Knowing this will make their position a lot easier to understand
I drink one 12 oz can a day usually. Does that help you better understand my position? This reminds me of when you assumed that people like me saying that there's nothing wrong with sugar, in moderation, and you peeked at my diary and were surprised to find that I'm usually under my sugar goal, since you assumed that anyone saying that sugar is ok must be eating nothing but sweets all day long. Or when you assumed that anyone who relies on convenience foods like skillet meals to get dinner on the table on a busy night is either lazy or can't cook.
Maybe stop making assumptions about other people and read what people are saying. Commenting that diet soda is safe to consume comes from a position of being pro science and pro critical thinking and pro any food can be part of a balanced diet. You seem to be suggesting though that we are secretly addicted and defending something we can't live without, which is almost as ludicrous as the people who suggest that we are all on the payroll of Big Aspartame or Big Sugar. Really I'm on the payroll of both, as a double agent, so please keep my secret safe folks! I won't be able to afford my hamburger helper habit without that supplemental income!14 -
I'm on the payroll of big Snickers. That's why I'm always pushing them in the threads where people say they can't hit their calorie goal.
Or I'm just fond of Snickers and they're calorie dense. You decide.5 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'm genuinely curious how often/how much the vehement pro diet soda advocates drink diet soda... Everyday, regularly? Knowing this will make their position a lot easier to understand
Pretty sure you've asked this in a bunch of threads and gotten answers that I don't recall you responding to.
I wouldn't consider myself a diet soda advocate, let alone vehement, but I will respond to false claims about anything, including diet soda.
I have maybe 2 diet sodas (diet coke, specifically) per week, sometimes more, but I never drink it daily. That's not because I think it's bad for me, but I mostly prefer non sweet drinks (like coffee or iced coffee) and mostly don't find diet soda super thirst-quenching (I don't find coffee all that thirst-quenching either, but I drink it for taste).5 -
Has your curiosity been assuaged @Christine_72 ?4
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Has your curiosity been assuaged @Christine_72 ?
Yes it has, I got some insightful answers
Not pro diet soda, but anti scaremongering. 2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Has your curiosity been assuaged @Christine_72 ?
Yes it has, I got some insightful answers Not pro diet soda, but anti scaremongering.
Nice summarising!
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NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?
I don't consume either. I don't get sick. My diet & my immune system is pretty bad *kitten*.
Edit: and I said daily not never.1 -
clicketykeys wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I'm genuinely curious how often/how much the vehement pro diet soda advocates drink diet soda... Everyday, regularly? Knowing this will make their position a lot easier to understand
I pack a 20-oz bottle with the lunch that I take to school each day, so 5/week. Plus I might get a 20-oz bottle from the vending machine once every week or two. Don't order it at restaurants, because it's ridiculously overpriced. However, I put artificial sweetener in many of the other beverages I drink (tea, coffee, lemonade) as well. So, soda pretty regularly but not in large amounts. Artificial sweetener, all the kittening time.NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
This is an unbelievably broad statement. You always have to bring SOME ingredients INTO the kitchen to make the foods. So... what's okay to bring in? Obviously not soda. Flour? I can't make that in my kitchen either. But it's okay to use as an ingredient, I'm guessing. So the soda must be okay to bring in if you use it as an ingredient but not by itself.
So by this logic, it would be perfectly find to bring diet Coke and rum into my kitchen and mix them... and consume them daily!
Lol. Mate, flour can be made in the kitchen. If you don't believe me type it into YouTube. Nice try haha.0 -
NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?
I don't consume either. I don't get sick. My diet & my immune system is pretty bad *kitten*.
But you don't apply that rule to the whey protein supplement you drank Thursday and today.
Not quite seeing the distinction?
One item made in a drink factory and one item made in a food factory.6 -
NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?
I don't consume either. I don't get sick. My diet & my immune system is pretty bad *kitten*.
But you don't apply that rule to the whey protein supplement you drank Thursday and today.
Not quite seeing the distinction?
One item made in a drink factory and one item made in a food factory.
You do realise I said daily right?0 -
NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?
I don't consume either. I don't get sick. My diet & my immune system is pretty bad *kitten*.
But you don't apply that rule to the whey protein supplement you drank Thursday and today.
Not quite seeing the distinction?
One item made in a drink factory and one item made in a food factory.
You do realise I said daily right?
So drinking a diet drink six days a week would be OK with you?4 -
Oh I see how this works. The goalposts were here but then, just for fun, they were moved over there. And soon, because also fun, they'll be moved further over there. Ah such hijinks.8
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NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?
I don't consume either. I don't get sick. My diet & my immune system is pretty bad *kitten*.
But you don't apply that rule to the whey protein supplement you drank Thursday and today.
Not quite seeing the distinction?
One item made in a drink factory and one item made in a food factory.
You do realise I said daily right?
So drinking a diet drink six days a week would be OK with you?
Where did you get that idea from? Not I.4 -
NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »NoLimitAsLimit wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Just to turn that question around is there anyone here who genuinely believes that a good way to lose weight is to focus on getting over a diet soda habit?
No ones saying that. For me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Would you apply that to vitamins and medicines as well?
I don't consume either. I don't get sick. My diet & my immune system is pretty bad *kitten*.
But you don't apply that rule to the whey protein supplement you drank Thursday and today.
Not quite seeing the distinction?
One item made in a drink factory and one item made in a food factory.
You do realise I said daily right?
So drinking a diet drink six days a week would be OK with you?
Where did you get that idea from? Not I.
It is a logical summation of your points assuming you are being consistent.
Referring to diet soda you statedFor me, anything that can't be made in a kitchen I wouldn't consume daily.
Thus implying that your litmus test for food and drink you would consume daily is what you stated and since diet soda doesn't qualify you wouldn't drink it daily.
Someone pointed out that you drink shakes made from whey protein, a product you wouldn't be able to make in your kitchen and you respondedYou do realise I said daily right?
thus emphasising that this rule only applies if you drink or eat something everyday.
From that one would logically conclude you would have no problem drinking diet soda as long as it wasn't every single day, thus you wouldnt take issue with drinking it 6 days a week.
I'm pretty sure that is why he reached that conclusion, because logically it follows from what you said about your criteria.
I think the deeper implication being your kitchen rule isn't your actual criteria for avoiding diet soda.
But all of this is getting a bit pedantic and silly...I just enjoy silly sometimes. Personally I only take issue with people falsely claiming diet soda is toxic or dangerous or damaging to health or weight loss and I dont see you doing that. I don't really care if people just choose to avoid it themselves for whatever reason.14 -
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unsuspectingfish wrote: »I kicked diet soda once upon a time by switching to sparkling water, since it was almost impossible to kick carbonation entirely.
Excellent job trading flavored sparkling water for unflavored sparkling water.
There's also flavored sparkling water, though? I traded sweetened, dyed sparkling water for unsweetened, clear sparkling water.2
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