Diet soda
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There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
So you deliberately made yourself afraid of something that is not harmful? Makes sense.
why do you choose to take me seriously?1 -
JillianRumrill wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
So you deliberately made yourself afraid of something that is not harmful? Makes sense.
why do you choose to take me seriously?
Because MFP is serious business.
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JillianRumrill wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
So you deliberately made yourself afraid of something that is not harmful? Makes sense.
why do you choose to take me seriously?
It took me a minute to realize what you are.
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stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?10 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?
Absolutely. the added minerals and salts aid in rehydration.
This is 101 level stuff.9 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?
Diet soda is 99% water...so yeah...at LEAST as good from a hydration standpoint.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
Every single one? No. Off the top of my head, I'd say probably somewhere about 20 or so. And the handful that I've seen used as "evidence" of harm? Either state the opposite (that artificial sweeteners are safe for human consumption) or make no statement in either way, although the data suggests that they are not harmful.
Now, my turn for a serious question: why are you so hell-bent on white-knighting this?
Oh, I know one that said they're bad. The one where they fed rats that get cancer from being looked at the wrong way an ungodly amount for their entire adult life that is laughed out of the house when mentioned among scientists (apparently).
Oh and ironically, the rat group that got an amount of aspartame that was more in line with normal intakes got less cancer than the group that got none at all but that doesn't even get mentioned in the "study", lol.
You're right. I had forgotten about that one, as the conclusions were so completely opposite the data that it's basically been ignored by anyone that actually read it.2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?
No, he said that he would choose it as a matter of personal preference.
One advantage that I can think of for drinking soda (regular, not diet) would be replenishment of energy stores - glycogen - that were depleted by the run.3 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »JillianRumrill wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
So you deliberately made yourself afraid of something that is not harmful? Makes sense.
why do you choose to take me seriously?
It took me a minute to realize what you are.
Breeze?0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?
Absolutely. the added minerals and salts aid in rehydration.
This is 101 level stuff.
Ok. Whatever you say. Not to mention that is caffeine is a mild diuretic and the carbonation slows the absorption time.
Electolites and salts are good to replace, but soda is not the way to do it. But you do you.8 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?
Absolutely. the added minerals and salts aid in rehydration.
This is 101 level stuff.
Ok. Whatever you say. Not to mention that is caffeine is a mild diuretic and the carbonation slows the absorption time.
Electolites and salts are good to replace, but soda is not the way to do it. But you do you.
There isn't conclusive evidence to suggest this. Some studies have shown an increase in urine output, and others have not. Although that ones I have seen have been using coffee and not a caffeine pill (so, you know.. fluids).
I can tell you, that if you need to replace electrolytes, than drinking water is not going to help and will actually make it worse (since water can flush sodium, which is an electrolyte). Ideally, you'd drink something that contains salt (sodium chloride), magnesium and potassium. The best way to do that would be a consuming an Emergen-C drink since it' has one of the highest concentrations of electrolytes that I have found on the market.6 -
stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
You are really claiming that soda (diet or regular) is better for rehydration than water after a long run? Where in the world did you come up with this?
Absolutely. the added minerals and salts aid in rehydration.
This is 101 level stuff.
Ok. Whatever you say. Not to mention that is caffeine is a mild diuretic and the carbonation slows the absorption time.
Electolites and salts are good to replace, but soda is not the way to do it. But you do you.
I really thought those myths had been well and truly and repeatedly busted.6 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
For once, my one-armed-hand-standing friend and I agree, 13 miles? Where's my beer?2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
There's a word for that. It's sandwiched in the dictionary, right in between the two words that surround the word "addiction".run2brazil wrote: »
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
I assure you, that if I've just run 13 miles, I'm going to be drinking something other than water, sports drinks are better than diet coke, but diet coke is better than water.
There's a reason they have so many beer trucks at organized races.2 -
If you do a long run where you are sweating like crazy and then at the end of the run you drink a bunch of deionized water (ultra-purified) for some reason then yeah that'd be not good for you. But most water you get isn't deionized, it has sodium in it and at a level that is pretty comparable to soda. At least that is the case with tap water.
That said I do agree that if you are buying some purified water that has no ions in it that you probably would be better off drinking something with electrolytes in it than that and if the only other choice was soda that that might actually be the better choice. But that is sort of a ridiculous scenario. Drink some milk or something that has calories and electrolytes and water if you really want to be a perfectionist about it.
Basically when you sweat you are losing a lot of salt. Your body wants to keep a specific ionic strength in all your bodily fluids so if you are low on sodium or ions in general your body will flush water to regain that balance. If with low sodium you then attempt to drink water that has no ions in it your body is going to basically just flush that out of you without absorbing it as a means of attempting to not further dilute the sodium.
But seriously if that is an issue for you just have a little salt packet and add some to your water.3 -
Let's just put this out there... Support does not equal approval and agreement. Support means healthy debate, encouragement for people to obtain accurate information, and providing positive reinforcement when it's due.
Is diet soda bad? No. Is it mostly water? Yes. Can people have medical issues from drinking it exclusively, and not drinking any other fluids? Absolutely. Is it guaranteed that they'll have medical issues? Absolutely not. Whether you agree with the FDA or not in regards to what is allowed for consumption is your personal business, but trying to press that opinion onto another person, I'm not going to agree with.
If a person does not want to eliminate a food from their diet, that's their business. Your aunt is an adult and she can make the decision. From what I've read though, it sure seems like the pressure is not being supported by an appropriate game plan for phasing her off of the beverages. I'd say, if you want to pressure her to "healthier" habits, open yourself up to the possibility that you could be wrong when it comes to your approach, so that you can actually receive good support.10 -
Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"7 -
run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.4 -
run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
Nothing in your original post suggests that it was your Aunt that was very concerned about the health affects of diet soda so I'm sure you can understand the misunderstanding there if it is in fact her who is concerned.
I would suggest if it is her that is concerned and not you that she come on the site herself if she wishes to solicit advice on suggestions for what she herself wants to do. It is easier to give advice and support to someone if they are around to receive it.8 -
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I kicked diet soda once upon a time by switching to sparkling water, since it was almost impossible to kick carbonation entirely.3
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unsuspectingfish wrote: »I kicked diet soda once upon a time by switching to sparkling water, since it was almost impossible to kick carbonation entirely.
Excellent job trading flavored sparkling water for unflavored sparkling water.6 -
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run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
But this is the Nutrition forum, so you received good advice from a nutritional perspective. The underlying message is that diet soda is not harmful to your health, and you were given links to science supporting that. You also received some substitution drink ideas and some ideas for weaning off caffeine. If this is not what you are looking for, maybe try the Motivation and Support forum?6 -
rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm12 -
rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can no guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Good think Diet Mt Dew doesn't have any of that nastiness.4 -
I've switched to Zevia and I do believe its better for me than Diet Coke. I was drinking like a double gulp in the AM and mainlining cans all day long, so I think that was excessive.2
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rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Got a link to the study used to set the recommendations mentioned in this article? I can't see any citation myself but may just be missing it.
But also. That's about a food colouring, not aspartame, which is the issue at hand.3
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