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run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda. We all have to intake what we feel is good for us and what works, which to some of us is diet soda and I get that. We all have different opinions about "healthy" things for us, and that's ok, because we choose what we put in our bodies. What works for some does not work for everybody. To say 100% it's good for you or 100% it's bad for you would be ignorant, considering all the varying research and lack of longitudinal studies, and the fact that we really don't know what anything is really doing to our bodies. The facts that my aunt gets severe withdrawal symptoms from diet soda and that she actually wants to quit drinking it will continue to allow me to support her.
In the meantime, diet and exercise are still #1 in my book. That is probably one thing we can all agree on! Have a great day all.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Very well said. Studies are still being done and we won't know what effects these chemicals are having on our bodies until years down the line. For some there may be no effect, for others it could cause harm. Everybody is different. Some people smoke their whole lives and never get cancer...other smoke for a few years and end up with cancer. Again, everyone is different. The important thing is to do what you feel is best for you.
For your aunt...I'd trying encouraging her to gradually taper off the soda. Don't go cold turkey, but start cutting back every few days. Try replacing the soda with teas, water, flavored water etc. Since she probably is used to the caffeine, when you reduce the soda, maybe try replacing with a cold brewed tea that has caffeine in it to ease the transition to eliminating/lowering her caffeine intake. Best of luck to you and your aunt.17 -
Dose matters in many of these situations. Someone who moderately drinks can likely drink their whole life with no issues, but someone who pounds large amounts of alcohol a day risk liver and kidney issues.run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda. We all have to intake what we feel is good for us and what works, which to some of us is diet soda and I get that. We all have different opinions about "healthy" things for us, and that's ok, because we choose what we put in our bodies. What works for some does not work for everybody. To say 100% it's good for you or 100% it's bad for you would be ignorant, considering all the varying research and lack of longitudinal studies, and the fact that we really don't know what anything is really doing to our bodies. The facts that my aunt gets severe withdrawal symptoms from diet soda and that she actually wants to quit drinking it will continue to allow me to support her.
In the meantime, diet and exercise are still #1 in my book. That is probably one thing we can all agree on! Have a great day all.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Very well said. Studies are still being done and we won't know what effects these chemicals are having on our bodies until years down the line. For some there may be no effect, for others it could cause harm. Everybody is different. Some people smoke their whole lives and never get cancer...other smoke for a few years and end up with cancer. Again, everyone is different. The important thing is to do what you feel is best for you.
For your aunt...I'd trying encouraging her to gradually taper off the soda. Don't go cold turkey, but start cutting back every few days. Try replacing the soda with teas, water, flavored water etc. Since she probably is used to the caffeine, when you reduce the soda, maybe try replacing with a cold brewed tea that has caffeine in it to ease the transition to eliminating/lowering her caffeine intake. Best of luck to you and your aunt.
One could smoke 2 cigarettes a day for decades with no real health issues and then there's the 2 pack a day smokers.
So yes the DOSAGE of something matters.
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JustRobby1 wrote: »What is with all the diet coke posts lately? Did another brain dead documentary get released that I have not caught wind of yet?
Must have. Even the aspartame thread is getting bumped again.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/40665700#Comment_40665700
We've been through this many times before. OP, if you want support for an incorrect conclusion, you won't find it here (thankfully).8 -
Lol, funny to hear someone say "broscience" and not really know how to apply it. Many of the people here can SITE peer reviewed clinical studies on this subject. That's much different than broscience.KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »I didn't mean for this to be a debate- I thought this community forum was meant to be supportive of one another. It's my first time writing on it, and likely my last. Thank you to those who understood and offered tips for her.
My opinion: I do believe that soda is bad for your health- please look closely at the nutrition facts. I'm surprised to see someone on this discussion comparing drinking too much soda to eating too much kale. Quite a bold comparison, leading me to think that we look at food and ingredients very differently. I've looked into the ingredients in diet soda and I am not sold on the fact that diet soda did not contribute to my aunts cancer this past year. If you drink it and it works for you, that's great. I just don't believe that calorie free and healthy are the same thing. Sorry to cause so many disagreements in my post when I was just asking for health tips.
Yeah this is the wrong place to get support. You ask a simple question and down the worm hole you go. Bunch of bro science here anyway. Not exactly where I would be going for advice. Best of luck to you.
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You serious Clark? I’ve seen plenty of bad “science” on these forums!
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KirbySmith46 wrote: »
Lol, funny to hear someone say "broscience" and not really know how to apply it. Many of the people here can SITE peer reviewed clinical studies on this subject. That's much different than broscience.KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »I didn't mean for this to be a debate- I thought this community forum was meant to be supportive of one another. It's my first time writing on it, and likely my last. Thank you to those who understood and offered tips for her.
My opinion: I do believe that soda is bad for your health- please look closely at the nutrition facts. I'm surprised to see someone on this discussion comparing drinking too much soda to eating too much kale. Quite a bold comparison, leading me to think that we look at food and ingredients very differently. I've looked into the ingredients in diet soda and I am not sold on the fact that diet soda did not contribute to my aunts cancer this past year. If you drink it and it works for you, that's great. I just don't believe that calorie free and healthy are the same thing. Sorry to cause so many disagreements in my post when I was just asking for health tips.
Yeah this is the wrong place to get support. You ask a simple question and down the worm hole you go. Bunch of bro science here anyway. Not exactly where I would be going for advice. Best of luck to you.
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You serious Clark? I’ve seen plenty of bad “science” on these forums!
On this thread, you're the one purveying it.14 -
run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
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KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
Ask me how I know you don't understand how peer reviewed science and meta analysis works.... ?18 -
KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.22 -
run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
I'll just drop this here...
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/unicorns-exist
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run2brazil wrote: »Ok so weight loss aside, we can all agree that excessive diet soda drinking is bad for your health? I'm wondering if anyone has tips to help her kick the habit.
Severity: I've run half marathons with her and she seeks out diet soda at the finish line instead of water.
The only thing that might be "bad" about "excessive" drinking of diet soda would be becoming addicted to caffeine in a way that if you don't intake caffeine you suffer headaches. There is nothing harmful in soda, the only active ingredient really is the caffeine. If you drink 20 diet cokes a day probably like someone who is drinking 5 coffees a day, that can have effects on your mood and how easy it is for you to stay alert when you aren't having it. That is about it. None of that has anything to do with weight loss though and certainly nothing to do with cancer.
There are much more important things one can focus on as a means of improving their health but if this is really that important then its like anything else, wean yourself off of it by intentionally taking in less and less over time in a controlled and planned manner. What you would be coming off would be the caffeine so if you do that then don't just substitute other sources of caffeine or you'd be accomplishing nothing.6 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
No it doesn’t! He made a claim! I’m asking him to back it up! Simple!
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WinoGelato wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
Ask me how I know you don't understand how peer reviewed science and meta analysis works.... ?
Ask me why I couldn’t care less about your opinion.10 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
What kind of scientist? It’s actually irrelevant to the discussion either way. I asked a simple question...11 -
KirbySmith46 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
What kind of scientist? It’s actually irrelevant to the discussion either way. I asked a simple question...
He's a microbiologist2 -
KirbySmith46 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
What kind of scientist? It’s actually irrelevant to the discussion either way. I asked a simple question...
I agree that ones title or education should not be ones argument, hopefully it didn't come across that way I was just trying to emphasis that I do know how to read a scientific paper with my background. My Ph.D is in molecular biology, my graduate work was in protein biochemistry and I am currently working in drug discovery as a microbiologist. My current work involves testing compounds for efficacy but also for toxicity in various models including immortalized human cell lines and mice. Have a working knowledge of concepts related to ADME/PK11 -
KirbySmith46 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
No it doesn’t! He made a claim! I’m asking him to back it up! Simple!
I'm not sure how that changes what I said. Do you disagree with what I actually said?3 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »KirbySmith46 wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »In conclusion, there are scientific studies going all directions about soda...
No, actually, there aren't. There are a lot of studies that are misreported. The misreporting states that diet soda is harmful - when the actual studies don't state that at all.
So you can say with 100% confidence, you’ve seen every study ever done on the use of “soda” and furthermore that every single one of those studies showed no negative consequences???? Serious question?
The responsibility to produce evidence lies on those making a claim not those skeptical of said claim. If my friend claims that there are unicorns it is their responsibility to provide evidence for their claim, not my responsibility to answer whether or not I've looked everywhere in the universe and can say with 100% confidence that their are no unicorns.
I personally have seen no studies that show harm in humans upon consumption of sodas. That doesn't mean I'm going to say 100% I've seen every study ever because that would be a ridiculous claim to make. That said I've seen reviews published on the current literature for artificial sweetners and can say with confidence that there is no evidence seen thusfar that they cause harm. I say that as a active scientist who knows how to look at the literature and who is part of a lab that actively carries out toxicology studies so I know what I am reading when I read it. So if you have seen such a study then please present the study.
What kind of scientist? It’s actually irrelevant to the discussion either way. I asked a simple question...
I agree that ones title or education should not be ones argument, hopefully it didn't come across that way I was just trying to emphasis that I do know how to read a scientific paper with my background. My Ph.D is in molecular biology, my graduate work was in protein biochemistry and I am currently working in drug discovery as a microbiologist. My current work involves testing compounds for efficacy but also for toxicity in various models including immortalized human cell lines and mice. Have a working knowledge of concepts related to ADME/PK
Ok thanks for providing that. I just see people throw around claims on here all the time and it’s nice to see proof. Not talking about you by the way. Just some others who are saying definitively one way or the other that something’s a certain way.5
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