Is dairy actually bad for you?
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Personally, cutting dairy was one of the best things i have ever done. I highly recommend anyone to try a month without dairy.
What i find when people do give it up is they say something like "Oh, i have been dealing with (insert ailment here) my whole life, and thought it was just something i would always have to deal with. It went away when i stopped consuming dairy. I never knew it was the dairy!"14 -
"People love to cut out dairy when they want to lose fat. But if you cut out dairy, you might be making fat loss harder, not easier. Cameos by Eric Helms, Alan Aragon, Brad Schoenfeld, and Spencer Nadolsky."
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
You can most likely thank paleo diet misinformation all over the web for that.
One of my favorite quotes that I re-use in all sorts of situations like this is, "more is written about [this topic] than is known." LOL.
Not original with me. Heard it during a training seminar for an early business/industrial "expert system" app about 30 yrs ago. Have used it to debunk all sorts of questionable assertions.
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You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
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You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Most animals, when given the chance, will drink another animal's milk.17 -
It’s funny. I used to have issues with lactose, but since I’ve switched to a mostly plant based diet (and adjusted to all of the fiber. It’s been a few years), I don’t have many issues if I eat something that used to bother me, like ice cream, or biscuits and gravy. Maybe bc I’m just processing it faster, or maybe those bean enzymes help with that too. I have no idea.0
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Hi all! So I'm here wondering if dairy is something I should actually consider taking out of my diet. Lately I have had some really bad bloating at the end of my day, and so many people tell me that I should cut back on dairy.
I've tried doing my own research but can never find anything conclusive enough, so here I am! Any thoughts?
There are people with the genetics to digest lactose, and people without them. I have no problem and need extra calcium, so I eat plenty of dairy.
For someone without those genes it is a problem to digest.
The issue is that a lot of the animal rights groups have spread propaganda saying dairy is bad. It’s not. It’s fine to not drink it if you don’t want to, but there are no health differences in using dairy or not unless you have an allergy or can’t digest lactose.3 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Plenty of species will drink the milk of a different species if offered it as an adult. Most species just don’t have the ability to milk other animals.
Often you can catch adult guinea pigs nursing off a lactating sow. It’s something that people who raise them have to keep an eye out to make sure it isn’t happening so the pups get enough milk.6 -
stevencloser wrote: »You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Most animals, when given the chance, will drink another animal's milk.
And most dint tolerate it. They simply like the taste. Both nu cat and my dog will gobble cows milk but will have violent diarrhea from it.
Most humans will willingly eat sugar, chocolate, candy, cake, alcohol etc but that doesn't mean they should or that it's good for them.24 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Plenty of species will drink the milk of a different species if offered it as an adult. Most species just don’t have the ability to milk other animals.
Often you can catch adult guinea pigs nursing off a lactating sow. It’s something that people who raise them have to keep an eye out to make sure it isn’t happening so the pups get enough milk.
Of their own species. Do you see them drinking off a fully grown cow? Do you think they could tolerate cows milk? Cows milk is designed for rapid muscle growth in calves. I doubt Guinea pigs or humans need that.21 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Literally, some of the WORST logic I have ever seen on the Internet. This deserves some kind of reward.12 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
In other news, humans are also the only species which use computers, drive cars, have a written language, exchange currency, own televisions, refrigerate/preserve/cook our food, etc.
That logic is completely invalid.20 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
In other news, humans are also the only species which use computers, drive cars, have a written language, exchange currency, own televisions, refrigerate/preserve/cook our food, etc.
That logic is completely invalid.
Seriously. The answer to the bolded part is simply "because we can". I've seen cattle where one cow is sulking from her mother while her calk is sulking from her. I'm sure if the horse could get in there they would.3 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
In other news, humans are also the only species which use computers, drive cars, have a written language, exchange currency, own televisions, refrigerate/preserve/cook our food, etc.
That logic is completely invalid.
Apples and oranges.24 -
Apples and oranges.You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
In other news, humans are also the only species which use computers, drive cars, have a written language, exchange currency, own televisions, refrigerate/preserve/cook our food, etc.
That logic is completely invalid.
He used the exact same "logic" you did. ERMEGERD, humans are the only species that [does something]. Humans do many things other species don't do, does that make those things wrong?
BRB, lets stop using tools cause other species don't use them...derp15 -
savedbygrace1007 wrote: »Watch the documentary Forks over knives
Forks Over Knives isn't a "documentary". It's a biased, one-sided hack job with an agenda, filled with junk science and half-truths.
If I'm going to watch fiction, I at least want it to be enjoyable.
Your opinion.
There is a quite science behind those movements. It is reckless to get the baby thrown out with the bathwater.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-productsConclusions
Milk and dairy products are not necessary in the diet and can, in fact, be harmful to health. It is best to consume a healthful diet of grains, fruits, vegetables, legumes, and fortified foods including cereals and juices. These nutrient-dense foods can help you meet your calcium, potassium, riboflavin, and vitamin D requirements with ease—and without facing the health risks associated with dairy product consumption.28 -
savedbygrace1007 wrote: »Watch the documentary Forks over knives
Forks Over Knives isn't a "documentary". It's a biased, one-sided hack job with an agenda, filled with junk science and half-truths.
If I'm going to watch fiction, I at least want it to be enjoyable.
Your opinion.
There is a quite science behind those movements. It is reckless to get the baby thrown out with the bathwater.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-productsConclusions
Milk and dairy products are not necessary in the diet and can, in fact, be harmful to health. It is best to consume a healthful diet of grains, fruits, vegetables, legumes, and fortified foods including cereals and juices. These nutrient-dense foods can help you meet your calcium, potassium, riboflavin, and vitamin D requirements with ease—and without facing the health risks associated with dairy product consumption.
There is a word for a clearly and unapologetically agenda driven piece which presents only data that supports a desired view while conveniently disregarding all others: propaganda.
Propaganda works wonders on people who need little convincing anyway, but to those who can think critically it's obvious and gratuitous.17 -
You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Plenty of species will drink the milk of a different species if offered it as an adult. Most species just don’t have the ability to milk other animals.
Often you can catch adult guinea pigs nursing off a lactating sow. It’s something that people who raise them have to keep an eye out to make sure it isn’t happening so the pups get enough milk.
Of their own species. Do you see them drinking off a fully grown cow? Do you think they could tolerate cows milk? Cows milk is designed for rapid muscle growth in calves. I doubt Guinea pigs or humans need that.You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
Plenty of species will drink the milk of a different species if offered it as an adult. Most species just don’t have the ability to milk other animals.
Often you can catch adult guinea pigs nursing off a lactating sow. It’s something that people who raise them have to keep an eye out to make sure it isn’t happening so the pups get enough milk.
Of their own species. Do you see them drinking off a fully grown cow? Do you think they could tolerate cows milk? Cows milk is designed for rapid muscle growth in calves. I doubt Guinea pigs or humans need that.
I agree - That is true enough - well known by most people that you should not give cows (or goats etc) milk to dogs or products containing much of it - because, yes, dogs are lactose intolerant.
However, presuming you are not a lactose intolerant dog, if you are a human who is not lactose intolerant there is no reason for you to avoid dairy.
I agree humans do not need dairy.
They don't need any single food item - meat, potatoes, broccoli, fish, grains, nuts, insert any food as X.
There is not a single food that humans need - any food is able to be substituted by other foods if it is not available, you don't like it, you have a medical or ethical or religious reason to avoid it
Nothing unique about dairy in that regard.
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WHY do we consume cow's and goat's and sheep's milk? Rather obviously because we can and in some areas learned it was a good source of calories and also a way to preserve food (cheese, fermented milk, as well as simply having the animals around for something other than their meat).
Same reason we farm, even though cats (for one example) cannot, and why we can foods and smoke foods and otherwise preserve foods, even though cats cannot. Cats do other things (like convince us we should care for them).
Like most animals that do not consume milk after baby-hood, cats become lactose intolerant as adults, but if they were given it regularly they probably would retain the ability to digest it (and this would apply to cow's milk too), and some cats aren't lactose intolerant. I would not give a cat milk, but given all the lore about cats and milk I wonder if back in the day when they were given it more regularly if more did not develop intolerance as adults.
In any case, we KNOW that humans have developed lactose tolerance as adults (not all, but the vast majority from areas where consuming milk has long been common, which includes north and western Europe). You can even test for the relevant genes if you want to. So saying animals that are lactose intolerant as adults do badly with milk (and would with milk from their own species too) is not a sensible reason to say that humans who ARE lactose tolerant would do badly with it.9 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »WHY do we consume cow's and goat's and sheep's milk? Rather obviously because we can and in some areas learned it was a good source of calories and also a way to preserve food (cheese, fermented milk, as well as simply having the animals around for something other than their meat).
Same reason we farm, even though cats (for one example) cannot, and why we can foods and smoke foods and otherwise preserve foods, even though cats cannot. Cats do other things (like convince us we should care for them).
Like most animals that do not consume milk after baby-hood, cats become lactose intolerant as adults, but if they were given it regularly they probably would retain the ability to digest it (and this would apply to cow's milk too), and some cats aren't lactose intolerant. I would not give a cat milk, but given all the lore about cats and milk I wonder if back in the day when they were given it more regularly if more did not develop intolerance as adults.
In any case, we KNOW that humans have developed lactose tolerance as adults (not all, but the vast majority from areas where consuming milk has long been common, which includes north and western Europe). You can even test for the relevant genes if you want to. So saying animals that are lactose intolerant as adults do badly with milk (and would with milk from their own species too) is not a sensible reason to say that humans who ARE lactose tolerant would do badly with it.
What my boi anth professor told us way that most people have some degree of lactose intolerance. Maybe not enough to make them ill, but enough to cause them some discomfort, or some mostly unnoticed problems to their digestion. I think this article has the number at 61 percent being intolerant. I love cheese, but I treat it like alcohol and eat it in moderation. My boyfriend can chug those expensive full fat yogurts. No fair.
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2005/06/lactose-intolerance-linked-ancestral-struggles-climate-diseases
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Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WHY do we consume cow's and goat's and sheep's milk? Rather obviously because we can and in some areas learned it was a good source of calories and also a way to preserve food (cheese, fermented milk, as well as simply having the animals around for something other than their meat).
Same reason we farm, even though cats (for one example) cannot, and why we can foods and smoke foods and otherwise preserve foods, even though cats cannot. Cats do other things (like convince us we should care for them).
Like most animals that do not consume milk after baby-hood, cats become lactose intolerant as adults, but if they were given it regularly they probably would retain the ability to digest it (and this would apply to cow's milk too), and some cats aren't lactose intolerant. I would not give a cat milk, but given all the lore about cats and milk I wonder if back in the day when they were given it more regularly if more did not develop intolerance as adults.
In any case, we KNOW that humans have developed lactose tolerance as adults (not all, but the vast majority from areas where consuming milk has long been common, which includes north and western Europe). You can even test for the relevant genes if you want to. So saying animals that are lactose intolerant as adults do badly with milk (and would with milk from their own species too) is not a sensible reason to say that humans who ARE lactose tolerant would do badly with it.
What my boi anth professor told us way that most people have some degree of lactose intolerance. Maybe not enough to make them ill, but enough to cause them some discomfort, or some mostly unnoticed problems to their digestion. I think this article has the number at 61 percent being intolerant. I love cheese, but I treat it like alcohol and eat it in moderation. My boyfriend can chug those expensive full fat yogurts. No fair.
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2005/06/lactose-intolerance-linked-ancestral-struggles-climate-diseases
I suspect that figure is a bit misleading - yes, I can well believe that 61% of the worlds humans have some lactose intolerance.
But that would be because most asian people are lactose intolerant (as adults) and asian people make up the largest racial group in the world.
A much lower percentage of caucasian people are lactose intolerant - of course there are some, and it occurs to various degrees and increases in the older population - ie people who were not previously lactose intolerant can develop a degree of it when older.
If OP is getting symptoms of bloating, bowel issues, nausea etc - then, yes, worth a try of eliminating dairy for a few weeks and see if this helps - even if not previously intolerant.
But no need for everyone who is tolerating dairy fine, to quit consuming it - either for weight loss or any other biological reason (non-physical ethical choice reasons aside)8 -
paperpudding wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WHY do we consume cow's and goat's and sheep's milk? Rather obviously because we can and in some areas learned it was a good source of calories and also a way to preserve food (cheese, fermented milk, as well as simply having the animals around for something other than their meat).
Same reason we farm, even though cats (for one example) cannot, and why we can foods and smoke foods and otherwise preserve foods, even though cats cannot. Cats do other things (like convince us we should care for them).
Like most animals that do not consume milk after baby-hood, cats become lactose intolerant as adults, but if they were given it regularly they probably would retain the ability to digest it (and this would apply to cow's milk too), and some cats aren't lactose intolerant. I would not give a cat milk, but given all the lore about cats and milk I wonder if back in the day when they were given it more regularly if more did not develop intolerance as adults.
In any case, we KNOW that humans have developed lactose tolerance as adults (not all, but the vast majority from areas where consuming milk has long been common, which includes north and western Europe). You can even test for the relevant genes if you want to. So saying animals that are lactose intolerant as adults do badly with milk (and would with milk from their own species too) is not a sensible reason to say that humans who ARE lactose tolerant would do badly with it.
What my boi anth professor told us way that most people have some degree of lactose intolerance. Maybe not enough to make them ill, but enough to cause them some discomfort, or some mostly unnoticed problems to their digestion. I think this article has the number at 61 percent being intolerant. I love cheese, but I treat it like alcohol and eat it in moderation. My boyfriend can chug those expensive full fat yogurts. No fair.
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2005/06/lactose-intolerance-linked-ancestral-struggles-climate-diseases
I suspect that figure is a bit misleading - yes, I can well believe that 61% of the worlds humans have some lactose intolerance.
But that would be because most asian people are lactose intolerant (as adults) and asian people make up the largest racial group in the world.
A much lower percentage of caucasian people are lactose intolerant - of course there are some, and it occurs to various degrees and increases in the older population - ie people who were not previously lactose intolerant can develop a degree of it when older.
If OP is getting symptoms of bloating, bowel issues, nausea etc - then, yes, worth a try of eliminating dairy for a few weeks and see if this helps - even if not previously intolerant.
But no need for everyone who is tolerating dairy fine, to quit consuming it - either for weight loss or any other biological reason (non-physical ethical choice reasons aside)
Oh, you are right. I was thinking that Asians count. Gosh, wonder where my half Asian son falls.4 -
Try eliminating it and see if you feel better. Dairy is not a requirement for good health. It's optional. So if it causes you problems, ditch it. If it's not causing you problems, enjoy.2
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Umm ''that asians count' ???? not sure why the need for sarcasm
I meant the figure is misleading in terms of relevance for most posters - it doesnt mean random poster or OP for that matter has a 61% chance of being lactose intolerant.
that the statement needs to be seen in context of world population, not individual risk.
I imagine a person who has one asian parent would be more likely to be lactose intolerant - but I don't know exactly how the genetics of this one work, depends if dominant or recessive type gene, not an area i know enough about.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Umm ''that asians count' ???? not sure why the need for sarcasm
I meant the figure is misleading in terms of relevance for most posters - it doesnt mean random poster or OP for that matter has a 61% chance of being lactose intolerant.
that the statement needs to be seen in context of world population, not individual risk.
I imagine a person who has one asian parent would be more likely to be lactose intolerant - but I don't know exactly how the genetics of this one work, depends if dominant or recessive type gene, not an area i know enough about.
Is it only Americans here? I still think alot of people are mixed and might be experiencing some degree of lactose intolerance without even really knowing what’s going on. My son loves ice cream, and eats it eventho it makes him barf occasionally.
that’s teenaged boys for you.
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Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WHY do we consume cow's and goat's and sheep's milk? Rather obviously because we can and in some areas learned it was a good source of calories and also a way to preserve food (cheese, fermented milk, as well as simply having the animals around for something other than their meat).
Same reason we farm, even though cats (for one example) cannot, and why we can foods and smoke foods and otherwise preserve foods, even though cats cannot. Cats do other things (like convince us we should care for them).
Like most animals that do not consume milk after baby-hood, cats become lactose intolerant as adults, but if they were given it regularly they probably would retain the ability to digest it (and this would apply to cow's milk too), and some cats aren't lactose intolerant. I would not give a cat milk, but given all the lore about cats and milk I wonder if back in the day when they were given it more regularly if more did not develop intolerance as adults.
In any case, we KNOW that humans have developed lactose tolerance as adults (not all, but the vast majority from areas where consuming milk has long been common, which includes north and western Europe). You can even test for the relevant genes if you want to. So saying animals that are lactose intolerant as adults do badly with milk (and would with milk from their own species too) is not a sensible reason to say that humans who ARE lactose tolerant would do badly with it.
What my boi anth professor told us way that most people have some degree of lactose intolerance. Maybe not enough to make them ill, but enough to cause them some discomfort, or some mostly unnoticed problems to their digestion. I think this article has the number at 61 percent being intolerant. I love cheese, but I treat it like alcohol and eat it in moderation. My boyfriend can chug those expensive full fat yogurts. No fair.
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2005/06/lactose-intolerance-linked-ancestral-struggles-climate-diseases
I suspect that figure is a bit misleading - yes, I can well believe that 61% of the worlds humans have some lactose intolerance.
But that would be because most asian people are lactose intolerant (as adults) and asian people make up the largest racial group in the world.
A much lower percentage of caucasian people are lactose intolerant - of course there are some, and it occurs to various degrees and increases in the older population - ie people who were not previously lactose intolerant can develop a degree of it when older.
If OP is getting symptoms of bloating, bowel issues, nausea etc - then, yes, worth a try of eliminating dairy for a few weeks and see if this helps - even if not previously intolerant.
But no need for everyone who is tolerating dairy fine, to quit consuming it - either for weight loss or any other biological reason (non-physical ethical choice reasons aside)
Oh, you are right. I was thinking that Asians count. Gosh, wonder where my half Asian son falls.
She didn't say that Asians don't count (as you well know), but that it is extremely misleading to assert that "most" people are lactose intolerant based on 61% of the world's population being so, when something like 95% of people from northern and western Europe are not, and as a result a very large percentage of the US population is not.
Even Asians vary quite a bit, there's a big distinction based on where in India one is from, for example.
People very often know where they (or their ancestors) are from, know if lactose intolerance is common in their family or not, and know what experiences they have had with it. My ancestors are all from places (northern and western Europe) where lactose tolerance is extremely common and people have been consuming dairy for a long time. People from cultures where it's common ALSO tend to be from cultures where it's less of a regular part of the diet. So suggesting that it's just random, or "most" people are intolerant IS misleading. Saying that in some countries most are, or most with ancestry from certain regions are, not IMO misleading. It's the reverse of what I said upthread, that most with ancestors from areas where dairy consumption has long been common, like northern and western Europe, are not lactose intolerant but have specific mutations that were beneficial in the areas/cultures in which they lived.4 -
Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Umm ''that asians count' ???? not sure why the need for sarcasm
I meant the figure is misleading in terms of relevance for most posters - it doesnt mean random poster or OP for that matter has a 61% chance of being lactose intolerant.
that the statement needs to be seen in context of world population, not individual risk.
I imagine a person who has one asian parent would be more likely to be lactose intolerant - but I don't know exactly how the genetics of this one work, depends if dominant or recessive type gene, not an area i know enough about.
Is it only Americans here? I still think alot of people are mixed and might be experiencing some degree of lactose intolerance without even really knowing what’s going on. My son loves ice cream, and eats it eventho it makes him barf occasionally. that’s teenaged boys for you.
Of course it isnt only Americans here - I am in Australia myself
But it is probably fair to say that the majority of posters are in western countries; the majority are not in asian countries or of asian ancestory.
So, the 61% figure, which may well be accurate on a world population level, is highly unlikely to be accurate in terms of poster's individual risk.
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You can develop an intolerance or allergy at any time of your life, regardless of whether you've been eating it for years.
IMO dairy is very tasty, relatively cheap and an easy source of protein for humans but NOT healthy or ideal. No other species goes and sucks on another species once it's weaned so why do we gobble the milk of other animals? The answer is because it's been heavily marketed to us and it tastes great especially with all that other *kitten* added to it. Hence why so many people do develop an intolerance to it at some point.
We are biologically programmed to eat our own species milk (ie breast milk) until weaning age which should be around 2-6 years of age. After that we have absolutely no evolutionary or biological need for milk.
In other news, humans are also the only species which use computers, drive cars, have a written language, exchange currency, own televisions, refrigerate/preserve/cook our food, etc.
That logic is completely invalid.
Apples and oranges.
Not at all. You're projecting the characteristics of other species to humans. THAT is what is apples and oranges.
Cats are obligate carnivores. Does that mean we're obligate carnivores also?
Giraffes are herbivores. Does that mean we're herbivores also?
Cats don't eat a giraffe's diet, and giraffes don't eat a cat's diet. In fact, neither would even be able to survive on the diet of the other. So how does the diet of any other species of animal have anything to do with what humans eat?16 -
Oh and camel's, yak's, horse, deer, elk and any just about any other lactating mammal for that matter plus humans have been making cheese and yoghurt type oviducts of these other mammal milks for hundreds of years.lemurcat12 wrote: »WHY do we consume cow's and goat's and sheep's milk?
It is observed that if predators kill a lactating mammal they will try to get to the milk of it's prey. Many many animals love the milk of other mammals it is just not as accessible totem as it is to us.
Most northern Europeans (and northern asians for instance siberia etc), those that over the history have been most exposed to dairy, are not lactose intolerant. Evolution has taken care of that. Easy access foods -those that could digest it survived. Now in other parts the world this evolutionary advantage was not required possibly due to not having access to this wonderful food source, or because there were enough alternatives, so the evolutionary change that was very much an advantage in Northern Europe has not become as widespread all over the world in other cultures.
If anything it shows how statistics on large groups can show biassed results. But what I like best it shows that evolution never stops and can teach us so much about history too.
I am not lactose intolerant. Dairy is one of my favourite foods and I will eat it. For me it is a great tasty food. If you are intolerant then don't eat it. Intolerances and food allergies can have many forms and can be to different foods.
One of my friends is allergic to apples; so apples are bad for all? Total rubbish.6 -
The main reason, I think, for the evolutionary advantage was the cold weather climate - pre refridgeration, when most human evolution took place since refrideration is new in historical terms, milk could not be kept in hot climates. Most people don't drink milk directly from the animal so if it can't be stored it is useless as a food.
Not because there wouldn't be access to the source - goats live in hot dry climates and some cattle live in India, for example and not because there were so many alternative foods as there are obviously parts of the world outside Europe where that is not so.0
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