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Why are most mfp users against holistic nutrition?
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singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
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finny11122 wrote: »
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
The OP specifically asked:
People are answering her question and giving opinions. Why does that bother you?Am I being scammed?19 -
finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.22 -
VioletRojo wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
The OP specifically asked:
People are answering her question and giving opinions. Why does that bother you?Am I being scammed?
I answered the OP question and then i got a responce from another MFP user . And then asked him or her what their responce to me was about ?13 -
Ok, so a few thoughts after looking over the associated website and "coursework". My first being that it's testimony to the ongoing devolution of critical thinking ability in this world that such an institution could even exist, much less have students enrolled. The course descriptions themselves are so laughable I would imagine the lectures would be akin to a standup comedy routine. It has no formal accreditation whatsoever, either in Canada or internationally, unless of course you count a designation that they registered themselves as 'Registered Holistic Nutritionist'. That should be enough to get you a job working the drive thru window at the local Taco Bell.
It looks only slightly less sketch that your typical "diploma mill" institution that we have here in the US, with the added kicker being that not only is the accreditation illegitimate, but the course of study it professes to train for does not even exist as an actual academic discipline. It's seems to be just a scam for people who don't want to actually go to a university and learn biochemistry, but still want to tell you things that are entirely dependent on understanding biochemistry.
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finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medecine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
The OP asked why people on MFP are down on holistic medicine because she's having doubts about the program she's paying for. That's why a lot of people in this thread responded the way they did to her question. I've gone back over the thread, and whatever "pouncing" was done was directed at the school and those like the Avocado guy and "Doctors" Mercola and Oz who are pushing nonsense and making money hand over fist doing so.
However -- in many cases, the holistic stuff might make a difference due (as others have said) to the placebo effect: if you believe in it, it may work for you -- at least to a degree. Holistic approaches are fine as supplements to modern medical procedures. I sure as H wouldn't trust treatment of my prostate cancer or my atrial fibrillation to a chiropractor or naturopath - but I do use various dietary supplements as an adjunct to medical treatment. And as a counselor, I've had some clinical hypnosis training, which has been shown to work for some things like pain management (that's because a large part of pain is how we perceive it). Again, mental health professionals I know who use clinical hypnosis in a therapy setting do so as an adjunct to talk therapy and medical treatment, not as a replacement for treatment. That's called ethical practice.15 -
singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .26 -
JustRobby1 wrote: »Ok, so a few thoughts after looking over the associated website and "coursework". My first being that it's testimony to the ongoing devolution of critical thinking ability in this world that such an institution could even exist, much less have students enrolled. The course descriptions themselves are so laughable I would imagine the lectures would be akin to a standup comedy routine. It has no formal accreditation whatsoever, either in Canada or internationally, unless of course you count a designation that they registered themselves as 'Registered Holistic Nutritionist'. That should be enough to get you a job working the drive thru window at the local Taco Bell.
It looks only slightly less sketch that your typical "diploma mill" institution that we have here in the US, with the added kicker being that not only is the accreditation illegitimate, but the course of study it professes to train for does not even exist as an actual academic discipline. It's seems to be just a scam for people who don't want to actually go to a university and learn biochemistry, but still want to tell you things that are entirely dependent on knowing biochemistry.
This is concerning to me, as it is easily confused with the legit title "Registered Dietitian" (and I'm sure that's deliberate).
I've gone on these sites out of curiosity and looked at the questionnaires they put out to determine if their services might be of benefit (implied that potentially they're not a good fit, which would make them seem legitimate). Since the questions consist of things like "Do you suffer from one or more of the following symptoms: Headaches, Muscle Aches, Bloating, etc., there's no way anyone could honestly not answer "yes" to at least one. Aha, you potentially have SOMETHING SERIOUS going on and WE CAN FIX IT, with expensive "tests", consultations and supplements.
I really despise con artists who prey on the vulnerable and the desperate.12 -
finny11122 wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
The OP specifically asked:
People are answering her question and giving opinions. Why does that bother you?Am I being scammed?
I answered the OP question and then i got a responce from another MFP user . And then asked him or her what their responce to me was about ?finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
It seems pretty clear to me. You seem to want all opinions to carry equal weight, but some "medical opinions" are not based in science and those are always going to be disputed so as to not spread misinformation. The "conditions" the OP is being taught are not real medical conditions, they are made up.
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finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
But the advance of medicine and human knowledge is based on observation, experimentation, and recording and comparing results, not just "letting people do what works for them."
It isn't a contest, but that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as accurate information or that medicine is some realm where truth is impossible to determine.8 -
finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
My problem with your statements is that some ideas/beliefs/teachings don't deserve respect. And certainly don't deserve to be on an even playing field with facts and proven science.17 -
singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
I agree. that would be like putting your symptoms into google and looking for what it could be instead of seeing a dr ,and the diagnosis being some serious disease and then asking for certain meds for said disease that you may or may not have. or trying to treat it yourself.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
One of my sisters was born with a genetic condition that has no cure but is often compatible with an otherwise happy life (with a shortened life span). When she was still an infant, my mom fell for a dietary scam supplement that promised a cure. Looking back, I can understand it -- there was a natural amount of stress and grief involved and my mom, like many people, wanted the best for her child. Her normal decision making process, it wasn't all there.
We're incredibly fortunate that it didn't cause my sister any harm or compromise any of her (valid) treatments. It was basically vitamin powder and my mom kept taking my sister for her regular medical and therapy appointments. The only harm was the money spent, money that we could have used for much better things.
We all look at it and laugh now -- my mom has a good sense of humor and acknowledges that she was way too credible.
For us it was just money, but a lot of families aren't so fortunate. People get sicker because they use these fake treatments and people even die. Even in our fortunate situation, underneath the laughter, I'm still mad at the company for taking our money and even more for the false hope they gave my mom.
I don't think there is anything wrong with getting emotional when talking about fake cures and medical scams. I know I get angry sometimes. They're playing with human lives and emotions, they're impacting whole families mentally and financially. There is real pain and grief behind this stuff, it isn't an abstract intellectual exercise about "what if."29 -
finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
My problem with your statements is that some ideas/beliefs/teachings don't deserve respect. And certainly don't deserve to be on an even playing field with facts and proven science.
As i said in previous comments . I don't have a horse in this race . Modern medicine is fantastic and hollistic has many benifits for many people . As i said in my orginal comment to the OP - go with what works for her and makes her healthy and happy .21 -
singingflutelady wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »TenderBlender667 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »What school are you going to, and where is it located?
I'm studying at the Canadian School of Natural Nutrition. I am aware that this is not the best way to educate myself on Nutrition and I'm very aware of the difference between a dietitian and nutritionist. If I had the option, I definitely would've chosen to go the dietitian way, but I don't have that option right now. What led me to this area of study is the fact that I've always been skeptical of some of the treatment methods followed by western medical doctors.
I grew up with a myriad of health issues that worsened after following a standard american diet and being extremely stressed in my day-to-day life. After going to multiple doctors who prescribed me the same medication each time I went in, I developed horrible side effects and hip/joint pain at the age of 15. I decided to go off all meds, and the hip pain magically disappeared. A few years later, while doing some research, I find that the medication I was taking was linked to reduced absorption of calcium and increased risk of bone fractures. Fast forward 1 year, I did some blood tests and I find out I'm severely deficient in vitamin b12. The doctor who is supposed to care about a patient's health didn't even bother to give me b12 shots so I had to go find someone else to do it for me or take heavy doses of oral b12 myself which gave me unpleasant effects. I did some research once again because it didn't make sense that a teenager who's never been vegan her whole life would be deficient in a nutrient the body doesn't need much of to begin with. Coincidentally I found a link between the medication I was taking and Anemia. This is all anecdotal evidence so obviously there might have been other factors coming into play when I went off the medication such as my poor diet or lack of physical activity.
The fatalities and side effects of various drugs are under-reported. Pharmaceutical companies as well as the food industry pays big money to keep information hidden from the public. The long term effects of certain food, drug, and environmental agents have not been reported YET because we're still in the relatively early stages of exposure. We'll need at least another 20 years to conclude that certain chemicals are indeed carcinogenic or produce autoimmune responses in the body. I'm not saying western medicine is the source of all evils. They've saved millions of people and increased the general life span of the population. I just wish they were more open minded about nutrition's role in health and cared about their patients more rather than giving an antibiotic prescription for every ache and pain or just sending you off with these wonderful words: "If you feel like dying, just go to the hospital." This is literally what one doctor told me instead of giving me advice on how to avoid that situation. I've decided I'm probably better off taking control of my own health.
Citation needed.
Also, I don't know that many medical professionals would poo poo a treatment that had PROVABLE positive results. The problem with most holistic remedies is that many are based on feelings and subjective data rather than objective observations.
In fact it's quite the other way around from the info I got from people on here. It gets reported even if there's no indication that it was caused by the drug at all.
If you have seen drug commercials they have to say every possible side effect. One of the drugs has lymphoma listed as a side effect and with a little research I discovered that it has been less than 10 people in millions who take it and you can't prove if it's correlation or causation
Holidays to the US always leave me with a feeling of amusement and horror that drugs are advertised on the TV but the never ending list of side effects they have to disclose in the adverts is hilarious.4 -
finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.22 -
VintageFeline wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »TenderBlender667 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »What school are you going to, and where is it located?
I'm studying at the Canadian School of Natural Nutrition. I am aware that this is not the best way to educate myself on Nutrition and I'm very aware of the difference between a dietitian and nutritionist. If I had the option, I definitely would've chosen to go the dietitian way, but I don't have that option right now. What led me to this area of study is the fact that I've always been skeptical of some of the treatment methods followed by western medical doctors.
I grew up with a myriad of health issues that worsened after following a standard american diet and being extremely stressed in my day-to-day life. After going to multiple doctors who prescribed me the same medication each time I went in, I developed horrible side effects and hip/joint pain at the age of 15. I decided to go off all meds, and the hip pain magically disappeared. A few years later, while doing some research, I find that the medication I was taking was linked to reduced absorption of calcium and increased risk of bone fractures. Fast forward 1 year, I did some blood tests and I find out I'm severely deficient in vitamin b12. The doctor who is supposed to care about a patient's health didn't even bother to give me b12 shots so I had to go find someone else to do it for me or take heavy doses of oral b12 myself which gave me unpleasant effects. I did some research once again because it didn't make sense that a teenager who's never been vegan her whole life would be deficient in a nutrient the body doesn't need much of to begin with. Coincidentally I found a link between the medication I was taking and Anemia. This is all anecdotal evidence so obviously there might have been other factors coming into play when I went off the medication such as my poor diet or lack of physical activity.
The fatalities and side effects of various drugs are under-reported. Pharmaceutical companies as well as the food industry pays big money to keep information hidden from the public. The long term effects of certain food, drug, and environmental agents have not been reported YET because we're still in the relatively early stages of exposure. We'll need at least another 20 years to conclude that certain chemicals are indeed carcinogenic or produce autoimmune responses in the body. I'm not saying western medicine is the source of all evils. They've saved millions of people and increased the general life span of the population. I just wish they were more open minded about nutrition's role in health and cared about their patients more rather than giving an antibiotic prescription for every ache and pain or just sending you off with these wonderful words: "If you feel like dying, just go to the hospital." This is literally what one doctor told me instead of giving me advice on how to avoid that situation. I've decided I'm probably better off taking control of my own health.
Citation needed.
Also, I don't know that many medical professionals would poo poo a treatment that had PROVABLE positive results. The problem with most holistic remedies is that many are based on feelings and subjective data rather than objective observations.
In fact it's quite the other way around from the info I got from people on here. It gets reported even if there's no indication that it was caused by the drug at all.
If you have seen drug commercials they have to say every possible side effect. One of the drugs has lymphoma listed as a side effect and with a little research I discovered that it has been less than 10 people in millions who take it and you can't prove if it's correlation or causation
Holidays to the US always leave me with a feeling of amusement and horror that drugs are advertised on the TV but the never ending list of side effects they have to disclose in the adverts is hilarious.
Ha, I totally agree! My husband and I just sit there looking at each other and wondering "Why would you ever take this drug?? Why would a doctor ever prescribe it??"4 -
- Part of the problem is the arrogance in western medicine.
- Part of the problem is being closed minded.
- Part of the problem is no $$$s for big medicine if they figure out eating a root you can grow yourself for free will cure you of some condition (please take our pills so we can make $$$s, then charge you again for another pill that fixes the side effects of the first pill).
- Finally, part of the problem is some, most, maybe all of it is BS.
While I understand people reluctance to believe anything that isn't backed by the FDA and government funded research, I also find it amazing that these same sheeple use no critical thinking and refuse to consider both sides may be lying for personal gains.
The fact is there isn't a whole lot of research dollars coming in to validate or disprove holistic medical claims, therefore NO scientific evidence/research being done to prove/disprove one way or the other, therefore we all assume it's all hooey.47 -
VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
You are so right. A 3 yr old child, here in Italy, died this summer because his parents followed a holistic doctor's recomendations instead of giving him an antibiotic. The doctor believed in natural treatment. I believe it happened in Torino (Turin).9 -
- Part of the problem is the arrogance in western medicine.
- Part of the problem is being closed minded.
- Part of the problem is no $$$s for big medicine if they figure out eating a root you can grow yourself for free will cure you of some condition (please take our pills so we can make $$$s, then charge you again for another pill that fixes the side effects of the first pill).
- Finally, part of the problem is some, most, maybe all of it is BS.
While I understand people reluctance to believe anything that isn't backed by the FDA and government funded research, I also find it amazing that these same sheeple use no critical thinking and refuse to consider both sides may be lying for personal gains.
The fact is there isn't a whole lot of research dollars coming in to validate or disprove holistic medical claims, therefore NO scientific evidence/research being done to prove/disprove one way or the other, therefore we all assume it's all hooey.
If these holistic treatments were proven to be effective, then pharmaceutical companies should be all over them to try and make money off of us sheeple, right? Why isn't that happening?28
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