BCAAs? has anyone noticed a difference in the speed of recovery and not aching so much after?
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At least his answers were evidence-based and directly relevant to the thread.sammiewammie444 wrote: »mmapags- i am looking for a yes or no from people who have tried it
So, you prefer individual anecdotes over peer reviewed scientific studies? Why?
You're responses are coming off kind of "douchey" and I'm sorry professor if you don't like the word "douchey" it's a non dictionary word that I enjoy using and it applies to your type of responses. Not trying to cause an argument or anything here, but I recommend you change your tone, if I were this girl and read your response I would find the process of discovery a lot more discouraging than when I started with the question in my head. Relax there buddy. Some people want just a general response of how people view something, yes peer reviewed journals are evidence based and provide the most factual information, although even those aren't always 100% reliable but that's for another separate issue altogether. Maybe you can lead her into the direction of curousity to read more than making it sound like the way she's approaching her question sound "dumb" because that's how I interpret your two responses. Thanks
and to the OP, I wasn't trying to speak on behalf of you because maybe you didn't have the same reaction I did, but this was my interpretation. Good luck. As for myself I don't use BCAAs and never have and every time I ask someone whether they like BCAAs (instead of reading peer reviewed journals all day), they give me several responses. I find that my recovery and improvements are fine without it so I don't bother. Plus as others stated earlier, most protein powders have some BCAAs already in their product so they claim.
With all due respect dude, it's not my job to lead anyone in any direction. The data is the data. How you read my tone is up to you.
Maybe you shouldn't answer at all then and post links if it's not your job to help anyone. lol.
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okay fair enough. I guess you don't see what I mean but I don't want to keep arguing about it. I just think sometimes people need to be called out for being rude. That's all.8
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sammiewammie444 wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »mmapags- i am looking for a yes or no from people who have tried it
So, you prefer individual anecdotes over peer reviewed scientific studies? Why?
^I agree with mmapags and wonder the same question because the studies are going to give you the answer you actually need.
As for personal anecdotes -> no, they don't "speed up recovery." Aside from a placebo effect, I'd be willing to also put out there that your sister's body probably got used to working out and the DOMS just naturally subsided as it does.
i prefer to see what people actually think to it rather than read studies that may or may not be accurate. there is so much info on the internet that contradicts each other. one study will say one thing and then another will say the opposite.
i dont think that is the case with my sister as she was saying today that she missed out on her bcaas the other day and she was really sore. she doesnt usually get that sore when taking it and she can feel the difference
So instead of relying on actual science (taking into account really reading through even when there are contradictions so you can see where the contradictions or uncertainty lay in each conclusion) you're going to take the word of random people on the internet?
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Here's my anecdote.
I'm on an aggressive cut. So aggressive my diary is closed unless you're my friend. I get 140-170g of protein per day easily, while dropping weight, lifting heavy *kitten* *kitten* and do not need BCAAs. And I know from experience they would do nothing but just taste kind of nice during a workout.
*nod nod* Some of the flavorings are super tasty.1 -
I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
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sammiewammie444 wrote: »mmapags- i am looking for a yes or no from people who have tried it
So, you prefer individual anecdotes over peer reviewed scientific studies? Why?
You're responses are coming off kind of "douchey" and I'm sorry professor if you don't like the word "douchey" it's a non dictionary word that I enjoy using and it applies to your type of responses. Not trying to cause an argument or anything here, but I recommend you change your tone, if I were this girl and read your response I would find the process of discovery a lot more discouraging than when I started with the question in my head. Relax there buddy. Some people want just a general response of how people view something, yes peer reviewed journals are evidence based and provide the most factual information, although even those aren't always 100% reliable but that's for another separate issue altogether. Maybe you can lead her into the direction of curousity to read more than making it sound like the way she's approaching her question sound "dumb" because that's how I interpret your two responses. Thanks and to the OP, I wasn't trying to speak on behalf of you because maybe you didn't have the same reaction I did, but this was my interpretation. Good luck. As for myself I don't use BCAAs and never have and every time I ask someone whether they like BCAAs (instead of reading peer reviewed journals all day), they give me several responses. I find that my recovery and improvements are fine without it so I don't bother. Plus as others stated earlier, most protein powders have some BCAAs already in their product so they claim.
thank you, you are right. some people on here are very douchey and it does put me off posting on here sometimes. i posted on here because i wanted to hear from people who have tried it. how i want my answers is up to me and i dont have to answer to anyone about how i want my answers. if i dont want to read information that could be on dodgy links then that is up to me. i was also wanting a nice conversation about it. but that is just impossible on here unfortunately.
i have ignored/blocked some people on this tread now so when they make new comments i cant see them anyway
for the people who have actually answered my questions nicely- thank you. i wont be buying it and ill try getting a bit more protein in my diet13 -
I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways6 -
I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways
thank you. see this is the kind of answer i was wanting off people. instead i got arsey comments because i didnt want to just look at a study on a link that may or may not be dodgy. i actually want to hear peoples experience with them and have a conversation.
i get you with the pre workout. im not usually a caffine person. i dont drink tea or coffee and energy drinks usually make me feel ill, but ive got some pre workout that works great for me, it gives me the energy i need and i end up having a really good session at the gym i try not to have more than 100mg though seems i only started having caffine a month ago. dont want to over do it 8 -
sammiewammie444 wrote: »I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways
thank you. see this is the kind of answer i was wanting off people. instead i got arsey comments because i didnt want to just look at a study on a link that may or may not be dodgy. i actually want to hear peoples experience with them and have a conversation.
i get you with the pre workout. im not usually a caffine person. i dont drink tea or coffee and energy drinks usually make me feel ill, but ive got some pre workout that works great for me, it gives me the energy i need and i end up having a really good session at the gym i try not to have more than 100mg though seems i only started having caffine a month ago. dont want to over do it
Maybe try looking at things in a different way. Read the posts as if there's no emotions involved, read it again and you might see that people where not mocking but instead where just trying to help you. The reason so many people know these products are snake oil is because they tried it too when they where new. Then they stuck around and realized that the products don't work and looked into the science behind why.
You can learn a lot on these forums but you must not read too far into peoples tones. It's not a face to face conversation so things can be misinterpreted easily. Take it for what it is and not what you think someone meant.
We've all been new and most of us have tried every product marketed towards health and fitness before we knew any better.
When I first started in 2013 ,I even tried diet pills! I didn't know any better. Thankfully I stuck around some and learned better. These forums have tons of good information.14 -
sammiewammie444 wrote: »I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways
thank you. see this is the kind of answer i was wanting off people. instead i got arsey comments because i didnt want to just look at a study on a link that may or may not be dodgy. i actually want to hear peoples experience with them and have a conversation.
i get you with the pre workout. im not usually a caffine person. i dont drink tea or coffee and energy drinks usually make me feel ill, but ive got some pre workout that works great for me, it gives me the energy i need and i end up having a really good session at the gym i try not to have more than 100mg though seems i only started having caffine a month ago. dont want to over do it
If you think that respected medical journals and public health organizations might be dodgy, but strangers on the internet are trustworthy, you're shopping for an answer.
Try starting here
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627921/how-to-cut-through-the-new-years-broscience/p1
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stanmann571 wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways
thank you. see this is the kind of answer i was wanting off people. instead i got arsey comments because i didnt want to just look at a study on a link that may or may not be dodgy. i actually want to hear peoples experience with them and have a conversation.
i get you with the pre workout. im not usually a caffine person. i dont drink tea or coffee and energy drinks usually make me feel ill, but ive got some pre workout that works great for me, it gives me the energy i need and i end up having a really good session at the gym i try not to have more than 100mg though seems i only started having caffine a month ago. dont want to over do it
If you think that respected medical journals and public health organizations might be dodgy, but strangers on the internet are trustworthy, you're shopping for an answer.
Try starting here
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627921/how-to-cut-through-the-new-years-broscience/p1
+1 Can't imagine we what would be dodgy about a PubMed link unless you have no clue what PubMed is.3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways
thank you. see this is the kind of answer i was wanting off people. instead i got arsey comments because i didnt want to just look at a study on a link that may or may not be dodgy. i actually want to hear peoples experience with them and have a conversation.
i get you with the pre workout. im not usually a caffine person. i dont drink tea or coffee and energy drinks usually make me feel ill, but ive got some pre workout that works great for me, it gives me the energy i need and i end up having a really good session at the gym i try not to have more than 100mg though seems i only started having caffine a month ago. dont want to over do it
If you think that respected medical journals and public health organizations might be dodgy, but strangers on the internet are trustworthy, you're shopping for an answer.
Try starting here
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627921/how-to-cut-through-the-new-years-broscience/p1
+1 Can't imagine we what would be dodgy about a PubMed link unless you have no clue what PubMed is.
Oh please, what do they know? Do they even lift, bro?
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stanmann571 wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »I cant be bothered to read the arguments so am jumping right in at the end, so sorry if this has already been covered.
When I started taking fitness seriously I was doing the stonglifts 5x5 program and read up on different forums about the effects of BCAAs so I bought them .... they didn't make any difference at all, I didn't recover any quicker, I didn't break through plateaus and my lifts increased no quicker. So I quit.
when I got into cycling I read on the forums about how they help, so I bought them again ... and again I didn't recover quicker, my FTP, Vo2max didn't improve quicker. So I quit.
In my experience they didn't work ..... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT and this I find important for all the snake oils, magic pills, supplements etc .. they might not do what they say on the tin, BUT they can be an excellent motivator .... Right now I get up at 04:30 and look forward to drinking my Blue Raz Pre-workout with 300mg caffine L-something -Bsomething, Glutosomething blah blah blah ....... yes I could just drinka coffee or eat a 3p caffine pill to get moving. But I like the theatre of it all, I like to buy in to an image, it motivates and drives me. ... So don't knock all supplements ... some of them boost you in unexpected ways
thank you. see this is the kind of answer i was wanting off people. instead i got arsey comments because i didnt want to just look at a study on a link that may or may not be dodgy. i actually want to hear peoples experience with them and have a conversation.
i get you with the pre workout. im not usually a caffine person. i dont drink tea or coffee and energy drinks usually make me feel ill, but ive got some pre workout that works great for me, it gives me the energy i need and i end up having a really good session at the gym i try not to have more than 100mg though seems i only started having caffine a month ago. dont want to over do it
If you think that respected medical journals and public health organizations might be dodgy, but strangers on the internet are trustworthy, you're shopping for an answer.
Try starting here
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627921/how-to-cut-through-the-new-years-broscience/p1
+1 Can't imagine we what would be dodgy about a PubMed link unless you have no clue what PubMed is.
That might just be where the problem lies to be honest. I think quite a few people are unaware about PubMed which is why they might be more readily willing to turn to a blog site when presented with info.
OP if you google just the name PubMed, it'll pull up info about their site. Copy and pasted from a few summaries that are shown right away on Google (without having to click to go that site) -
"PubMed comprises more than 27 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books. Citations may include links to full-text content from PubMed Central and publisher web sites"
"PMC. PubMed Central® (PMC) is a free full-text archive of biomedical and life sciences journal literature at the U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Library of Medicine (NIH/NLM). PubReader: A whole new way to read scientific literature at PubMed Central."
"PubMed (pubmed.gov) is a free resource developed and maintained by the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) at the National Library of Medicine® (NLM)."
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I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Lol! Pretty much sums it up.
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sammiewammie444 wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »i have been recommended to take bcaas to speed up my recovery from weight lifting as i can get very sore muscles the next day. just wanted more opinions. has it worked for you?
They will not help at all. They are useless. Don't waste your money. Adequate protein intake is all you need.
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0184-9
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-016-0128-9
http://physiqonomics.com/bcaas/
can i just ask, are you saying this from experience and have you actually tried it?
theres always different information on the internet that contradicts each other so i dont know which is right and which is wrong.
my sister is currently taking bcaas and she says it helps her alot, but just wanting more opinions from people who have tried it to see how many people it has actually worked for before i decide whether to buy it or not. i am currently taking protein shakes to up my intake, but recovery can still be slow
Check Alan Aragon's research on it, you're wasting your money. BCAA'S is the biggest scam product in the industry. BCAA'S is the equivalent of buying a house with no roof. It's not like creatine which has been proven to work. Just get protein powder, you get enough bcaa's in them or even better, eat food with protein.3 -
sammiewammie444 wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »i have been recommended to take bcaas to speed up my recovery from weight lifting as i can get very sore muscles the next day. just wanted more opinions. has it worked for you?
They will not help at all. They are useless. Don't waste your money. Adequate protein intake is all you need.
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0184-9
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-016-0128-9
http://physiqonomics.com/bcaas/
can i just ask, are you saying this from experience and have you actually tried it?
theres always different information on the internet that contradicts each other so i dont know which is right and which is wrong.
my sister is currently taking bcaas and she says it helps her alot, but just wanting more opinions from people who have tried it to see how many people it has actually worked for before i decide whether to buy it or not. i am currently taking protein shakes to up my intake, but recovery can still be slow
Check Alan Aragon's research on it, you're wasting your money. BCAA'S is the biggest scam product in the industry. BCAA'S is the equivalent of buying a house with no roof. It's not like creatine which has been proven to work. Just get protein powder, you get enough bcaa's in them or even better, eat food with protein.
Yup. Most companies will post the amino profile on the container somewhere. Compare the label on your protein supplement to a BCAA supplement and you don't even need the peer-review to see that it's not worth it. Leucine is Leucine whether it's in a BCAA suppplement, container of Whey, or a nice juicy steak. It's like a pound of fat and a pound of muscle are both one pound.3 -
sammiewammie444 wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »sammiewammie444 wrote: »mmapags- i am looking for a yes or no from people who have tried it
So, you prefer individual anecdotes over peer reviewed scientific studies? Why?
^I agree with mmapags and wonder the same question because the studies are going to give you the answer you actually need.
As for personal anecdotes -> no, they don't "speed up recovery." Aside from a placebo effect, I'd be willing to also put out there that your sister's body probably got used to working out and the DOMS just naturally subsided as it does.
i prefer to see what people actually think to it rather than read studies that may or may not be accurate. there is so much info on the internet that contradicts each other. one study will say one thing and then another will say the opposite.
i dont think that is the case with my sister as she was saying today that she missed out on her bcaas the other day and she was really sore. she doesnt usually get that sore when taking it and she can feel the difference
There's a difference between actual peer reviewed studies and a blog or article on the internet...
An actual study is going to trump anecdotal evidence any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Learn the difference between a study and an article or blog.
Anecdotally, I've tried them...they didn't do anything except take my money...8 -
My personal experience is I find they are good for me & my goals. Currently at the moment they really help me as they're the only thing that stops me throwing up 1st thing with my morning sickness. However; I have been using them for a while for my bodybuilding alongside protein powders but at different points in the day. I was also using creatine and coffee as pre-workout but had to stop as not safe to use during pregnancy. 4
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I use to never use any type of POST workout. Then i started and my recovery time has improved. I still get soreness from time to time but its not nearly as bad and the DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) is NO where near as bad.2
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