BCAAs? has anyone noticed a difference in the speed of recovery and not aching so much after?
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My personal experience is I find they are good for me & my goals. Currently at the moment they really help me as they're the only thing that stops me throwing up 1st thing with my morning sickness. However; I have been using them for a while for my bodybuilding alongside protein powders but at different points in the day. I was also using creatine and coffee as pre-workout but had to stop as not safe to use during pregnancy.
It's a placebo effect, but if it makes you mentally stronger for your workout, I guess it doesn't hurt....but you are paying for expensive water flavoring.
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My personal experience is I find they are good for me & my goals. Currently at the moment they really help me as they're the only thing that stops me throwing up 1st thing with my morning sickness. However; I have been using them for a while for my bodybuilding alongside protein powders but at different points in the day. I was also using creatine and coffee as pre-workout but had to stop as not safe to use during pregnancy.
It's a placebo effect, but if it makes you mentally stronger for your workout, I guess it doesn't hurt....but you are paying for expensive water flavoring.
I know when I tried it, I thought it might be that at first. But looking back, it just helped me increase my water intake. And when I didn't use it and continued with the same amount of water I got the same results.3 -
My personal experience is I find they are good for me & my goals. Currently at the moment they really help me as they're the only thing that stops me throwing up 1st thing with my morning sickness. However; I have been using them for a while for my bodybuilding alongside protein powders but at different points in the day. I was also using creatine and coffee as pre-workout but had to stop as not safe to use during pregnancy.
It's a placebo effect, but if it makes you mentally stronger for your workout, I guess it doesn't hurt....but you are paying for expensive water flavoring.
As water flavoring it's not much more expensive than Crystal lite.
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PikaJoyJoy wrote: »My personal experience is I find they are good for me & my goals. Currently at the moment they really help me as they're the only thing that stops me throwing up 1st thing with my morning sickness. However; I have been using them for a while for my bodybuilding alongside protein powders but at different points in the day. I was also using creatine and coffee as pre-workout but had to stop as not safe to use during pregnancy.
It's a placebo effect, but if it makes you mentally stronger for your workout, I guess it doesn't hurt....but you are paying for expensive water flavoring.
I know when I tried it, I thought it might be that at first. But looking back, it just helped me increase my water intake. And when I didn't use it and continued with the same amount of water I got the same results.
Bingo! I'm always amazed when people claim that something that is proven to have no effect "works" for them and ascribe outcomes to them that they never claimed to have to begin with.3 -
PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
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PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
Except a lot of people that post here don't even know where to start in regards to research. So by your logic, we should only post anecdotes?
ETA: And posting links, etc is discussing the topic. You're the one that derailed it a bit - which is why I made it a point to say in an earlier post that maybe you should have PM'd the person(s) who you thought could have used a lesson in "Seth Manners"
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PikaJoyJoy wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
Except a lot of people that post here don't even know where to start in regards to research. So by your logic, we should only post anecdotes?
ETA: And posting links, etc is discussing the topic. You're the one that derailed it a bit - which is why I made it a point to say in an earlier post that maybe you should have PM'd the person(s) who you thought could have used a lesson in "Seth Manners"
Ok so that’s fine you want to keep arguing? I never said to only post anecdotes I’m FOR research and journals so let me clarify for you once more. I’m saying that if the OP was asking people their opinions then that is what she wanted in the first place so for someone to come off in a demeaning tone (by criticizing her way of asking information is to me and to the OP as you can read above) is rude and should be called out? I don’t know why you don’t agree with this concept and don’t understand my reasoning? That’s all.
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PikaJoyJoy wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
Except a lot of people that post here don't even know where to start in regards to research. So by your logic, we should only post anecdotes?
ETA: And posting links, etc is discussing the topic. You're the one that derailed it a bit - which is why I made it a point to say in an earlier post that maybe you should have PM'd the person(s) who you thought could have used a lesson in "Seth Manners"
Ok so that’s fine you want to keep arguing? I never said to only post anecdotes I’m FOR research and journals so let me clarify for you once more. I’m saying that if the OP was asking people their opinions then that is what she wanted in the first place so for someone to come off in a demeaning tone (by criticizing her way of asking information is to me and to the OP as you can read above) is rude and should be called out? I don’t know why you don’t agree with this concept and don’t understand my reasoning? That’s all.
Except the fact is they weren't coming off in a demeaning tone. It's text. It's advisable on any forum to just look at what the words are saying versus imagining if someone is coming off a certain way - especially when asking for advice. But again, why don't you try keeping these sort of things in PMs so we don't derail this any longer.
The fact is, there is a ton of good information in the study links that should be encouraged to be looked at versus people's opinions for the sole fact that science>anecdotes.
It's understandable that she might not have known what PubMed was but now that's been explained and can be easily verified by Google, hopefully she'll give those a real chance. Unless she just likes the flavored water and doesn't mind spending money on it. In that case, she should just do what she wants to do.5 -
PikaJoyJoy wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
Except a lot of people that post here don't even know where to start in regards to research. So by your logic, we should only post anecdotes?
ETA: And posting links, etc is discussing the topic. You're the one that derailed it a bit - which is why I made it a point to say in an earlier post that maybe you should have PM'd the person(s) who you thought could have used a lesson in "Seth Manners"
Ok so that’s fine you want to keep arguing? I never said to only post anecdotes I’m FOR research and journals so let me clarify for you once more. I’m saying that if the OP was asking people their opinions then that is what she wanted in the first place so for someone to come off in a demeaning tone (by criticizing her way of asking information is to me and to the OP as you can read above) is rude and should be called out? I don’t know why you don’t agree with this concept and don’t understand my reasoning? That’s all.
Except the fact is they weren't coming off in a demeaning tone. It's text. It's advisable on any forum to just look at what the words are saying versus imagining if someone is coming off a certain way - especially when asking for advice. But again, why don't you try keeping these sort of things in PMs so we don't derail this any longer.
The fact is, there is a ton of good information in the study links that should be encouraged to be looked at versus people's opinions for the sole fact that science>anecdotes.
It's understandable that she might not have known what PubMed was but now that's been explained and can be easily verified by Google, hopefully she'll give those a real chance. Unless she just likes the flavored water and doesn't mind spending money on it. In that case, she should just do what she wants to do.
Ok you’re right it wasn’t negative it was very helpful response. I was wrong.0 -
PikaJoyJoy wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
Except a lot of people that post here don't even know where to start in regards to research. So by your logic, we should only post anecdotes?
ETA: And posting links, etc is discussing the topic. You're the one that derailed it a bit - which is why I made it a point to say in an earlier post that maybe you should have PM'd the person(s) who you thought could have used a lesson in "Seth Manners"
Ok so that’s fine you want to keep arguing? I never said to only post anecdotes I’m FOR research and journals so let me clarify for you once more. I’m saying that if the OP was asking people their opinions then that is what she wanted in the first place so for someone to come off in a demeaning tone (by criticizing her way of asking information is to me and to the OP as you can read above) is rude and should be called out? I don’t know why you don’t agree with this concept and don’t understand my reasoning? That’s all.
I just want to take a second to mention something and this is not for an argument but for general information.
The OP can ask whatever they want, but they have no right to control what they get back, if there is an issue then the mods can deal with anything that is beyond the rules of the board, but this is a public form, not a private chat session so things can, and do, go in directions that posters might not want, but that's the way life is in general and we just have to learn to deal with those things.
It's not really your place to step in and attack someone the way you did, name calling is for the playground and if you want to be taken seriously, I suggest you bring a different approach to your posts when you do this, especially when you are talking about rude/offensive behaviour. You aren't going to appear credible when you are obviously hypocritical.
If you believe that a person is out of bounds then flag it and let a mod deal with it otherwise you are violating the rules yourself.14 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.PikaJoyJoy wrote: »I love how BCAA threads roll down the same hill over and over.
1. Someone asks a question on them.
2. People who have answered it a bunch of times show the scientific studies.
3. Someone else defends or questions the evidence against.
4. Many give personal experiences but it’s ignored.
5. The person who was nice enough to post the data is called mean or white knighted against. Even when they are just attempting to save the OP time and money.
6. We wait for up to a week and a BCAA question comes up again and we repeat.
Ground Hog Day is alive and well
Hi, first, awesome pic, Metallica is my favorite band, second, I'm sure 5 was referring to my response lol. Now there's nothing wrong with posting information, I'm all for that, but the way he made his comments it came off as like "you're an idiot for not preferring these studies, why would you want to listen to people's opinions" that's why I called him out, otherwise it would've been fine, that's all. I find that often when someone asks a question some people come back acting like some expert and try to seem like they're above the person asking the question in a way. So I appreciate when someone helps to post data, but it's how you relay information that I was focused on.
If someone chooses to simply and abruptly address a question in a matter-of-fact way because that might be how they are (even though I honestly think that in this case the "tone" received was more your issue than what it really was) - that's their right.
Why do "you" think that trying to tell someone how to act and talk is your right and some how makes you better for it? If we were really all about manners, you'd have privately messaged the "offending person" and made suggestions that way instead of calling them out in the public forum.
Just saying.
To add - in regards to your comment about why the other person didn't just "post links" without comment...
Personally, I'd be wary of clicking on links posted on this forum with no information at all. In fact, that's the kind of thing that could potentially be flagged as spam (because spammers do this kind of thing) and get you banned.
Ok first off as you can see the OP agreed with me, second off it wasn’t just a matter of fact response, read his responses before you jump and make me the bad guy. Second, I’ve seen multiple ppl on chat boards come off as insulting bc the person asking questions doesn’t want to find information out the same exact way someone else might want to. Oh and finally I called him out on purpose. Anyways again let’s end this stupid argument. Point is be polite and respectful when answering questions and don’t make someone feel bad for not using journals and seeking out a general social consensus instead. If she wanted to just research she wouldn’t have posted here and DISCUSS the topic in the first place! Thank you that’s all
Except a lot of people that post here don't even know where to start in regards to research. So by your logic, we should only post anecdotes?
ETA: And posting links, etc is discussing the topic. You're the one that derailed it a bit - which is why I made it a point to say in an earlier post that maybe you should have PM'd the person(s) who you thought could have used a lesson in "Seth Manners"
Ok so that’s fine you want to keep arguing? I never said to only post anecdotes I’m FOR research and journals so let me clarify for you once more. I’m saying that if the OP was asking people their opinions then that is what she wanted in the first place so for someone to come off in a demeaning tone (by criticizing her way of asking information is to me and to the OP as you can read above) is rude and should be called out? I don’t know why you don’t agree with this concept and don’t understand my reasoning? That’s all.
I just want to take a second to mention something and this is not for an argument but for general information.
The OP can ask whatever they want, but they have no right to control what they get back, if there is an issue then the mods can deal with anything that is beyond the rules of the board, but this is a public form, not a private chat session so things can, and do, go in directions that posters might not want, but that's the way life is in general and we just have to learn to deal with those things.
It's not really your place to step in and attack someone the way you did, name calling is for the playground and if you want to be taken seriously, I suggest you bring a different approach to your posts when you do this, especially when you are talking about rude/offensive behaviour. You aren't going to appear credible when you are obviously hypocritical.
If you believe that a person is out of bounds then flag it and let a mod deal with it otherwise you are violating the rules yourself.
Excellent and insightful post. Especially the nature of public forums and an individual taking on the role of becoming as ad hoc moderator. Thank you!5 -
Wow, people are really passionately for and against BCAA's. LOL3
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JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wow, people are really passionately for and against BCAA's. LOL
It gets this way way more than it needs to. People just don’t like admitting they got taken advantage of.4 -
You need to do your research on what BCAAs ( branch chain amino acids) do in your body. They are important. I have used them for years and I personally prefer to use them. Supplements are not miracle pills; remember that! They are only to be used as just that... supplementation. I personally feel they do aid in my recovery as well as help with sustained energy levels. Do some more research and find a quality product ( I found what brand I like and stick with it), take it as directed, and after a suitable amount of time decide if you see the benefits and whether or not you want to take them. Otherwise you will just keep wondering! Everyone is going to have a different story.8
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JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wow, people are really passionately for and against BCAA's. LOL
Lol! For me it's less about BCAAs, or whatever else is being discussed, than it is about people wanting to just ignore the evidence of scientific data. I do get passionate about that.
Part of me is kind of incredulous that someone would say, "don't confuse me with evidence, I want to decide based on hearsay from random strangers." Could you imagine that happening in a court?? All that runs through my mind in these situations is people in the middle ages insisting that the world was flat despite growing evidence to the contrary.8 -
You need to do your research on what BCAAs ( branch chain amino acids) do in your body. They are important. I have used them for years and I personally prefer to use them. Supplements are not miracle pills; remember that! They are only to be used as just that... supplementation. I personally feel they do aid in my recovery as well as help with sustained energy levels. Do some more research and find a quality product ( I found what brand I like and stick with it), take it as directed, and after a suitable amount of time decide if you see the benefits and whether or not you want to take them. Otherwise you will just keep wondering! Everyone is going to have a different story.
Did you take the time to read any of the studies on their efficacy posted in this thread?5 -
JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wow, people are really passionately for and against BCAA's. LOL
I am not against BCAA, but the OP is new, he needs to know facts, he or she can still buy bcaa's if the OP wants to buy them for flavor, but at least the OP will know that BCAA'S are not proven to work for building muscles and can even be detrimental in some cases (read Alan Aragon's research on that, it says it in his findings). I personally don't care if the OP buys the bcaa's, but at least he will know a thing or two about them.3 -
Although it disagrees with the science, and very well may be placebo, I found it greatly helps with reduction in soreness. Placebo or not, I like the way it tastes so I'll just keep taking it until I finish the canister.4
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JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wow, people are really passionately for and against BCAA's. LOL
It's like NCAA football!
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I am SO GLAD to see literature being touted in this thread instead of anecdote, despite what the OP is naively requesting. Cheers to using the research to shape the future of this field!6
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sammiewammie444 wrote: »i have been recommended to take bcaas to speed up my recovery from weight lifting as i can get very sore muscles the next day. just wanted more opinions. has it worked for you?
I use Revolution Nutrition BCAA Splash during my workouts simply as a Water Flavoring. Does it do anything for me metabolically or Anabolically? No, not at all.
It's simply a cost-effective way that has me drinking more water (5-6 Litres /day) which in itself is a strong component nutritionally and one of the most neglected.
I don't mix it full strength though. (It recommends 2 scoops in 250mls). 1 tsp in a litre is enough for me, but again it's strictly a water flavoring. Compared to other "Sport Drinks" (aka "Sugar Water"), I don't see any side effects save increased bathroom trips from all the water I'm drinking.
There are other options out there no doubt, and no it's not needed, but it's what works for my personal budget.
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Welcome to one of the most disputed topics on MFP. Both sides quoting "Facts" and "Objective Data," both sides pointing to studies to back up their claims. Both sides swearing the other sides "Facts" or "Studies" are BS.3
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Soccermavrick wrote: »Welcome to one of the most disputed topics on MFP. Both sides quoting "Facts" and "Objective Data," both sides pointing to studies to back up their claims. Both sides swearing the other sides "Facts" or "Studies" are BS.
Really? Please show where those in favor of BCAAs presented studies, facts or objective data.10 -
You need to do your research on what BCAAs ( branch chain amino acids) do in your body. They are important. I have used them for years and I personally prefer to use them. Supplements are not miracle pills; remember that! They are only to be used as just that... supplementation. I personally feel they do aid in my recovery as well as help with sustained energy levels. Do some more research and find a quality product ( I found what brand I like and stick with it), take it as directed, and after a suitable amount of time decide if you see the benefits and whether or not you want to take them. Otherwise you will just keep wondering! Everyone is going to have a different story.
We're not saying BCAA's aren't important, we're saying BCAA specific supplements that are $20+ are unnecessary. BCAA's are in Whey Protein Supplements, as well as animal protein sources. If you're consuming all of your protein through animal protein sources you really don't even need the Whey Protein, let alone a specific BCAA supplement. There's nothing wrong with taking, just saying it's unnecessary.
The peer-review literature posted here provides additional scientific support above just the anecdotal support. How you spend you money is up to you and nobody should hassle a person about how they spend their money. The point is that it's an unnecessary expense if you're getting enough protein in other forms that contain a significantly greater amount of BCAA's.
Checkout this piece of research that displays the BCAA profile (on-average) from meet and eggs (page 468).
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=n31_CwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA465&dq=bcaa+profile+in+beef&ots=6aseYfeKjB&sig=8DrIYoNYzIrLbXDSNylYU2oNtoo#v=onepage&q&f=false7 -
It reminds me when someone says keto is the only diet that works because it worked for them. Keto was not the cause of the weight loss, there were other factors that people didn't take into consideration like CICO. Samething with BCAA, people will swear by them, but there are other factors in that which made them believe it work, it could be mental, it could be other foods or supplements they took, who knows. However with all the research being done to them, they are nowhere near in the category of "It does work" unlike creatine or beta-alanine for example. What's great about life is that we have choices with the information we have. You can still buy them or not, in the end it doesn't matter to me or anyone else.2
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It has been proven time and time again in peer reviewed scientific journals that BCAAs do absolutely nothing.
Don’t waste your money.
All the science and studies are pointing towards EAAs. Spend your money on that if you want something worthwhile.
But I wouldn’t even consider EAAs unless your training and nutrition are on point. They are expensive and you need to order them online to get good product.1 -
TayteHansen1992 wrote: »It has been proven time and time again in peer reviewed scientific journals that BCAAs do absolutely nothing.
Don’t waste your money.
All the science and studies are pointing towards EAAs. Spend your money on that if you want something worthwhile.
But I wouldn’t even consider EAAs unless your training and nutrition are on point. They are expensive and you need to order them online to get good product.
Why not just get adequate protein intake in your diet in the first place? Then supplementing with either BCAAs or EAAs is irrelevant and unnecessary.5 -
I've been adding BCAA's to my morning shake for a few months and have seen absolutely no difference in muscle soreness. I'm still sore pretty much every day and so far the only effective solution I've found is foam rolling and buttloads of ibuprofen.
If you want to start you digestive system rotting out (from someone with experience)0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »I've been adding BCAA's to my morning shake for a few months and have seen absolutely no difference in muscle soreness. I'm still sore pretty much every day and so far the only effective solution I've found is foam rolling and buttloads of ibuprofen.
If you want to start you digestive system rotting out (from someone with experience)
Not if you use it as an enema, I suppose.
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