Gaining weight eating high carbs???
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So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.13 -
So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.
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So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.
Yeah, I didn't realize being psychic was a requirement for these forums. I thought giving advise based on the information given was enough.4 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.
Yeah, I didn't realize being psychic was a requirement for these forums. I thought giving advise based on the information given was enough.
I've tried for years to figure out what other people were thinking simply through computer osmosis... I still fail at it- so I must- like a mere mortal rely on the information provided.
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sammyj19902015 wrote: »Dessilicious wrote: »sammyj19902015 wrote: »Also they only way you gain 5lbs after eating a bowl of pasta is if that bowl of pasta weighs 5lbs. There are probably around 20 servings of pasta in 5lbs of cooked pasta and at around 200 calories a serving that would be 4000 calories. If your story is true, carbs aren't the problem...
If you drink 5lbs of water with out going to the bathroom you will gain 5lbs, do you blame water for your weight gain?
Sometimes we have to look at things logically instead of panicking and blaming everything under the sun instead of watching what we eat.
I had a packet pasta of batchelors pasta n sauce made with water only, I’m not saying it’s made me gain ‘fat’ I was just wondering why pasta could make me bloated and gain on scales (again only know what I weighed after because I went to slimming world to get my weekly weigh in done)
Have you considered wheat intollerance as a possibility?
My intolerance transitioned into a full blown allergy and I can't have anything containing wheat now, but several years ago I would look seven months pregnanat after ingesting pasta or bread.
Look into it. I underestimated the symptoms and the damage caused by the particular enzyme I have problems with (it's not gluten) lead to a cow's milk allergy. I can't have dairy now at all. My organism can't process it.
I hope that's not what you are having but better to be on the safe side. You could try elimination. Whole 30 is a good way to start. Good luck!
Thank you!! Someone who I find isn’t patronising and actually read my post properly!! I have considered this as my sister is also wheat intolerant. When I eat white bread/ pasta based things my stomach literally bloats to make me look as pregnant as I was with my daughter. It also gives me bad stomach pains which I know is wind. Which is why I tried this low carb thing in the 1st place, I’ve had no bloating and no wind for the 13 days that I did it. I just wanted someone with the same experience as me to perhaps give me some ideas which you have. I’m not so thick that I think I’ve 2.5lb of fat in one day, I’m not so thick I don’t understand that if I go on a low carb diet then eat carbs I’m going to gain water of course I know that!!
Then I am confused why you titled your thread as if your concern was that you gained weight after eating carbs, and talked repeatedly about the scale immediately after you ate something -- which is not fat gain.
If you think you have a bad reaction to wheat (like bloating and gas and not feeling well), maybe just don't eat wheat?
If you like low carb, do low carb, although if the unpleasant bloating issue is wheat that's hardly necessary.
None of this is why you haven't lost the weight you want to lose, if that's the question.And I also know how to diet/healthy eat but I wanted a bit of advice on what to do because I’m struggling and I’m sorry MFP but some of the responses I’ve had on here have totally put me off using it, at the end of the day it looks like I’m NOT the thick one it’s just that you guys don’t read..... and with some of your messages I’d advise you not to come across so rude because you ‘know it alls’ actually put people off doing it... which is a shame
You really have not been clear on what you want advice about.
About the wheat? It's not fat gain, but if it has bad side effects, don't eat it. I rarely eat corn because I think it affects me negatively digestion-wise (I will eat fresh local corn in season some, because it's delicious, but even then not a lot).
About weight loss? What particularly? Low carb works fine if you want to do that and can stick to it, but there are many other ways to cut calories, obviously. I'm not following what the issue and am hesitant to try to give advice since every time someone does you seem to get mad and say that's not what you were asking.9 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.
Yeah, I didn't realize being psychic was a requirement for these forums. I thought giving advise based on the information given was enough.
This whole experience has definitely got me rethinking my participation in the forums- taking time to carefully answer a question that was asked only to be told I'm "thick" for not knowing what she *really* wanted to know!5 -
I saw very nice explanation - related with insulin and insulin resistance https://idmprogram.com/first-law-thermodynamics-irrelevant/. This is the reason I moved to keto (almost no carbs, and most of them from veggies, good amount of proteins), and it works for me (I know it is not for everyone, but I managed to stay on track for 2 months - more with any other CICO way of eating )12
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If you like keto, do keto, it's helpful for many just because they prefer that way of eating or it controls appetite, but the claims in the linked article are untrue and silly.
But first, as an aside, the following from the article is a strawman."The CICO people say that all you need to do is reduce your calories in. You don’t need to worry about what you are eating because ‘it all comes down to calories’. So, eating a calorie reduced, low fat, high carbohydrate diet, insulin levels stay high, but calories comes down. They do this on shows like ‘The Biggest Loser’, but this is the exact same strategies that all the universities, and governments use too.
No one says nutrition does not matter. It doesn't matter for weight loss if calories are controlled and movement stays consistent, but especially the gov't advice assumes people won't count that accurately and so eating filling, nutrition-dense food is important. The dietary guidelines do not say nutrition does not matter, and neither do people talking about CICO on MFP.
So strawman. Anyway, back to the silliness:What happens?
You reduce your intake to 1200 calories per day. Since insulin remains high, you cannot get any energy from fat stores. Why? Because the dietary strategy you are using (Caloric Reduction as Primary) only concerns itself with reducing calories, not insulin. Remember that the high insulin is telling the body to store energy as fat, or at a minimum, not burn fat (inhibits lipolysis).
The idea that you can't get energy from fat stores without doing low carb is ridiculous and a lie, period. So long as you are in a deficit, you will burn fat. There's no way to avoid it. And if in a surplus on low carb, obviously you will not be burning fat stores.
I think excessive talk about insulin ought to be a good tipoff that someone is being misleading.So, as you reduce your caloric intake to 1200 calories in, the body is forced to reduce it’s metabolism to only 1200 calories.
Weird how I consistently lost 2+ lbs per week when I was doing around 1200 and yet eating carbs, then. (I should have eaten more, though, and did eventually wise up.)This is precisely what happened on the Biggest Loser as seen in the study featured in the New York Times.
No, it is not. If it were, they would not have lost weight. What that study showed is that some degree of metabolic adaptation (not down to 1200 TDEE) occurs if you very very quickly lose a huge amount of weight. This would be true if they'd done low carb too.
There's also no evidence that low carb diets have a higher success rate (re regain) than any other diet.7 -
sammyj19902015 wrote: »Don’t tell me that I don’t want it hard ... I can’t help but ‘binge eat’ and what I really need to do is find out why I do that! No it’s not stress, no it’s not emotional, no it’s not restrictive diets. I’m addicted to food .... So someone now help me??
If it feels like an addiction, you have a relationship problem with food whether or not it's related to emotional eating or stress or whatever. To help change that relationship so you can lose and keep off the weight, see:
http://diet.beckinstitute.org
https://beckdietsolution.wordpress.com
Dr. Judith Beck is the daughter of Dr. Aaron Beck, who developed the cognitive-behavioral approach to altering behavior. The Beck Diet Solution book is available on Amazon (both paper and Kindle formats) as well as many other book vendors.
Another approach that some find helpful is intuitive eating:
http://www.intuitiveeating.org
The principles of mindful eating are well worth looking at for ideas, too:
https://www.thecenterformindfuleating.org
I ended up taking useful concepts and approaches from all these sources: take what seems relevant and useful to you, leave the rest. Regarding fluctuations -- see cwolfman13's graph above.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »If you like keto, do keto, it's helpful for many just because they prefer that way of eating or it controls appetite, but the claims in the linked article are untrue and silly.
But first, as an aside, the following from the article is a strawman."The CICO people say that all you need to do is reduce your calories in. You don’t need to worry about what you are eating because ‘it all comes down to calories’. So, eating a calorie reduced, low fat, high carbohydrate diet, insulin levels stay high, but calories comes down. They do this on shows like ‘The Biggest Loser’, but this is the exact same strategies that all the universities, and governments use too.
No one says nutrition does not matter. It doesn't matter for weight loss if calories are controlled and movement stays consistent, but especially the gov't advice assumes people won't count that accurately and so eating filling, nutrition-dense food is important. The dietary guidelines do not say nutrition does not matter, and neither do people talking about CICO on MFP.
So strawman. Anyway, back to the silliness:What happens?
You reduce your intake to 1200 calories per day. Since insulin remains high, you cannot get any energy from fat stores. Why? Because the dietary strategy you are using (Caloric Reduction as Primary) only concerns itself with reducing calories, not insulin. Remember that the high insulin is telling the body to store energy as fat, or at a minimum, not burn fat (inhibits lipolysis).
The idea that you can't get energy from fat stores without doing low carb is ridiculous and a lie, period. So long as you are in a deficit, you will burn fat. There's no way to avoid it. And if in a surplus on low carb, obviously you will not be burning fat stores.
I think excessive talk about insulin ought to be a good tipoff that someone is being misleading.So, as you reduce your caloric intake to 1200 calories in, the body is forced to reduce it’s metabolism to only 1200 calories.
Weird how I consistently lost 2+ lbs per week when I was doing around 1200 and yet eating carbs, then. (I should have eaten more, though, and did eventually wise up.)This is precisely what happened on the Biggest Loser as seen in the study featured in the New York Times.
No, it is not. If it were, they would not have lost weight. What that study showed is that some degree of metabolic adaptation (not down to 1200 TDEE) occurs if you very very quickly lose a huge amount of weight. This would be true if they'd done low carb too.
There's also no evidence that low carb diets have a higher success rate (re regain) than any other diet.
I wish these insulin hypothesis doofuses would take the time to learn something about physiology before they start driveling on and on as if they know something. Maybe then they'd understand why they're a laughingstock amongst actual evidence-based researchers.
[ETA:] Ugh, I clicked the link. Written by Jason Fung, one of the biggest woo peddlers there is. That explains it all. How about in return I share an evidence-based article which explains why Fung is a looney tune charlatan and his "research" (used in the loosest sense possible) is junk?: https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/5 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.
Yeah, I didn't realize being psychic was a requirement for these forums. I thought giving advise based on the information given was enough.
This whole experience has definitely got me rethinking my participation in the forums- taking time to carefully answer a question that was asked only to be told I'm "thick" for not knowing what she *really* wanted to know!
welcome to the internet?
You *sort* of get used to it.
But it's why frequently people get here and go "wow you guys are so mean" when you start to see this *kitten* all the time- it's less about being mean and more about being realistic about a trendline.1 -
Sammy- Sorry you are getting so many suggestions in so many directions. The message boards can be pretty unkind some times. I think you will find that the best advice is to work within the MFP system. Fill out your settings and get your suggested calorie and Macro targets. Try to stay as balanced as you can within the Carb/Fat/Protein suggestions; but remember that's a guide. The key to weight loss is Calories in versus Calories out. But that is more a fluid and long term kind of thing. Just because you have a calorie deficit today does not mean you will show a weight loss tomorrow. Daily and sometimes weekly weight fluctuations are normal. When I am in cutting or calorie deficit mode, I weigh myself daily- at the same time of day- unclothed. I still see weight fluctuations as normal, but if you track the weight daily and use a sister app like Happy Scale, it will keep you focused on the weight loss in terms of averages and trends. This makes the daily/weekly fluctuations a little more understandable.
Once you are in maintenance these daily fluctuations become a little more frustrating. It becomes even harder not to over compensate- or be too hard on yourself. The body carries the nutrients you consume to the body and the body sometimes takes a day or two to work through it. I often feel that what I eat today doesnt really show up until 2-3 days from now.
Another suggestion is to look for a mentor in the mentor or newbee group. There are a lot of helpful people around here that have used this system very succesfully. It may be better to talk to one person rather than hearing all the variety of suggestions. Many of them are very good and well intentioned. MFP works. It is a CICO program. You can do it. Good luck!
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What on earth was "unkind" about the responses OP got?6
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Wynterbourne wrote: »So wait, despite starting three threads upset that you gained weight because you ate pasta and are desperate to lose weight and keep falling off the wagon, you were actually looking for someone to suggest a gluten allergy because that's what you suspected, but you didn't mention it in any of all your posts in your three threads, but we are patronizing because we didn't read between the lines in your posts to figure that out???
Best of luck to you and have a great day.
Yeah, I didn't realize being psychic was a requirement for these forums. I thought giving advise based on the information given was enough.
This whole experience has definitely got me rethinking my participation in the forums- taking time to carefully answer a question that was asked only to be told I'm "thick" for not knowing what she *really* wanted to know!
welcome to the internet?
You *sort* of get used to it.
But it's why frequently people get here and go "wow you guys are so mean" when you start to see this *kitten* all the time- it's less about being mean and more about being realistic about a trendline.
Yeah, I know- I've been on the forums for a couple of years. This one just ticked me off because I went to the trouble to write a carefully thought-out post on one of her threads only to discover she was soliciting (and refusing) the exact same info on 2 others. Arghhh!!4 -
In the end it wasn't the OP fault she put on 5lbs but it was due to a food intolerance...go figure!
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adipace815 wrote: »Sammy- Sorry you are getting so many suggestions in so many directions. The message boards can be pretty unkind some times. I think you will find that the best advice is to work within the MFP system. Fill out your settings and get your suggested calorie and Macro targets. Try to stay as balanced as you can within the Carb/Fat/Protein suggestions; but remember that's a guide. The key to weight loss is Calories in versus Calories out. But that is more a fluid and long term kind of thing. Just because you have a calorie deficit today does not mean you will show a weight loss tomorrow. Daily and sometimes weekly weight fluctuations are normal. When I am in cutting or calorie deficit mode, I weigh myself daily- at the same time of day- unclothed. I still see weight fluctuations as normal, but if you track the weight daily and use a sister app like Happy Scale, it will keep you focused on the weight loss in terms of averages and trends. This makes the daily/weekly fluctuations a little more understandable.
Once you are in maintenance these daily fluctuations become a little more frustrating. It becomes even harder not to over compensate- or be too hard on yourself. The body carries the nutrients you consume to the body and the body sometimes takes a day or two to work through it. I often feel that what I eat today doesnt really show up until 2-3 days from now.
Another suggestion is to look for a mentor in the mentor or newbee group. There are a lot of helpful people around here that have used this system very succesfully. It may be better to talk to one person rather than hearing all the variety of suggestions. Many of them are very good and well intentioned. MFP works. It is a CICO program. You can do it. Good luck!
Which posts were unkind, specifically?
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sammyj19902015 wrote: »Because there are so many f**king know it alls I actually don’t know who to believe!! I’ve dieted or ‘healthy eaten’ since I was 16 I’m now 28 and I’m still struggling with my weight. I’ve done Cambridge diet, weightwatchers, slimming world, low carb, calorie counting and tried to healthy eat on my own so come on tell me what actually works?? I don’t weigh myself straight after I’ve eaten I’m not that thick?! But when I went slimming world I had pasta for my lunch and weighed in at 5lb heavier so stop telling me things I already know, I’m trying to find what suits me and atm most of you are telling what I already know. Don’t tell me that I don’t want it hard enough because trust me in my heart of hearts I know I do but I can’t help but ‘binge eat’ and what I really need to do is find out why I do that! No it’s not stress, no it’s not emotional, no it’s not restrictive diets. I’m addicted to food, I have the same feeling over food when I want it as I do with a cigarette and until I have it it won’t subside. So someone now help me??
First bold: maybe it's time to stop dieting, and just start eating normal foods. Yo-yo diets - long term - have proven to actually cause more weight gain than they ever take off. Eating things in moderation, whole, natural foods is good for your body. Unless there's a medical reason to not eat specific things, but I'm not a doctor so I won't get into that. All things being even, moderation and regular eating is a fantastic way to go.
Second bold: Binge eating - if you actually have it - is a mental disorder. If what you described in your OP is what you're calling a "binge" then this isn't one. I am a binge eater and have eaten upwards of 5,000 calories in one sitting on top of what I already ate during the day. It totaled almost 7,000 calories for the day. Eating disorders often mask other problems, emotional problems and maybe mood stability. For me, I am a perfectionist and I deal with deep seeded feelings of inadequacy . . . like I won't be good enough for anyone, ever. I've been in counselling for almost 2 years. So what you need to do is get help. If you're genuinely suffering from an ED you need to seek a professional. This has nothing to do with carbs, eating them or not. Binge eating is a mental disorder, it's often deep seeded in something else - usually emotional issues - and you need to get help. If you are just saying you're a "binge eater" then you need to stop . . . breathe and walk away for a minute. EDs are tough, they are hard to get through and you can't do it by yourself. Just saying you're bingeing isn't fair to those are genuinely going through this and it may sound insensitive but after dealing with this for years - with professional help - it bothers me a whole lot when people throw the term around loosely.
So you need to do one of two things: have the willpower to stop eating, or seek professional counselling to deal with the ED.
ETA: I read through the rest of your posts re: gluten intolerance . .. so you don't over eat on anything other than pasta? Claiming you're a binge eater is a serious thing, there are people really dealing with it. Don't use these terms lightly. Based on your other posts it really seems like you're just looking for attention and validation that OMG no you're fine, eat more, you need to eat more but not those evil carbs. No. Not even close.
And - this may not be something you want to hear, but try it - my heaviest, heaviest binges on record were full of high-processed, white carbs. Think whole sleeves of bagels, who loaves of bread, entire boxes of pasta, pizza, 4 or 5 orders of fries, etc. In working with a registered dietitian and a counsellor, eating these kinds of foods trigger - for a small time - the same effect that anti-depressants have in your body. They actually cause a brief, but awesome, spike in dopamine and makes you feel normal for a bit. But then, if you're depressed, your levels go back down and you crave these foods. I never once have craved or binged on sweet foods, always foods that are highly processed, and high in carbs. I was very depressed for a long time, and it's a battle I fight and will continue to fight daily. If you're really having trouble, you need to talk to a professional. Claims of gluten intolerance if you're actually, truly bingeing won't help. And claims of bingeing when you're just having a day where you ate a little more than you should is disrespectful to those battling EDs.2 -
It’s probably due to all the food in your intestines. Visit the porcelain throne and then weigh yourself. I guarantee you’ll be lighter.
Weight varies up to 5lbs in either direction. Don’t go off of your day to day weight, but by your weekly to monthly average.0 -
If you eat 2.5 lbs of food and immediately weigh 2.5 lbs more, you may be allergic to food.0
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