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Natural is Healthy Fallacy

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  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    jgnatca wrote: »
    I guess this topic is not as controversial as I thought?

    "Instead, David Stephan gave him more supplements — and invited the boy’s grandfather over to give Ezekiel a blessing. The judge concluded David Stephan took “no real action” when Ezekiel experienced irregular breathing. And when the toddler stopped breathing altogether? David Stephan’s first reaction was to call his dad. Only later did the couple call 911."

    Alternative medicine and faith. A lot of readers would not dare face the fact that neither help physically.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    Faith in alternative medicine can get all mixed up with spiritual faith. Taken to the extreme giving over to conventional medicine might feel like making a pact with the devil.

    Where is the god given critical thinking? Jesus pointed out that rescuing a donkey from a ditch on the sabbath is preferable to letting it suffer.
  • MrsLMKing
    MrsLMKing Posts: 50 Member
    edited February 2018
    My heart is broken about this child's death.

    A big part of this problem is the multi-level marketing companies. Someone can invest a couple hundred bucks in an essential oil company (I'm looking at you, Young Living and doTERRA), and suddenly, after spending the weekend downing a bottle of wine and reading the "resources" that their upline gave them, they are suddenly experts.

    Now, I like essential oils. They make my house smell great without the chemicals in air fresheners, which give my husband a headache. They're a good addition to beauty products. A couple of drops of lavender oil in a hot bath can help me relax at the end of a long day. Sniffing a little peppermint oil will help open up my sinuses when I wake up feeling a little "stuffy" and "blegh." But these women promote essential oils as an alternative to actual real medicine, even though we have many, many years of advancement and many, many billions of dollars invested in the medical world. Drop a little lavender in your child's bath to help them relax before bed? Sure! Think you're going to cure a 105 degree fever with essential oils? No way. To the emergency room you should go, immediately!

    Essential oils are just one example. These multi-level marketing companies promote so many "health and wellness" products. Yet, they're total BS.

    So many countries don't have modern medicine at all. We do. Use it, dang it, especially when it comes to your children and their LIVES!!!
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    The grandfather started this company.

    https://www.truehope.com/home/contact

    He claims his vitamin mixture controls bipolar disorder and ADD. I thought I heard of him before.
  • mbaker566
    mbaker566 Posts: 11,233 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    fionawilliamson wrote: »
    I will sadly admit that I have fallen for snake oil salesmen in the past and bought the magic pill that will help me with weight loss. I don't like to think of myself as a stupid person, but boy can I jump on a bandwagon, even when I have doubts about the product. Ultimately the only thing that got lighter was my wallet. There is just so much of it these days, I just saw leggings advertised on FB that contain some magic potion that will help you slim down. I mean really??? but you know people will buy it. Very few people are interested in hard work for results these days. I get now :)

    "Spandex"? ;)

    sweat pants. like the waist trimmers
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,620 Member
    edited April 2018
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    fionawilliamson wrote: »
    I will sadly admit that I have fallen for snake oil salesmen in the past and bought the magic pill that will help me with weight loss. I don't like to think of myself as a stupid person, but boy can I jump on a bandwagon, even when I have doubts about the product. Ultimately the only thing that got lighter was my wallet. There is just so much of it these days, I just saw leggings advertised on FB that contain some magic potion that will help you slim down. I mean really??? but you know people will buy it. Very few people are interested in hard work for results these days. I get now :)

    "Spandex"? ;)

    sweat pants. like the waist trimmers

    Once again, I didn't put in enough enough smilies/winkies. Here ya go:

    ;););););););););););)
  • VUA21
    VUA21 Posts: 2,072 Member
    Arsenic is natural
    Multivitamins are not natural

    That about sums up my thoughts on natural being healthy. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    edited May 2018
    Obviously I don't like people who attempt to market bs treatments on the back of fearmongering actual medicine. That said I can't support deplatforming people. If someone wants to speak publicly and other people want to pay to hear them...let it happen. If you dont like it then get your own platform and speak your peace.

    I am not comfortable with the idea that if you dont like what someone has to say that empowers you to attempt to prevent their speech. I fear we are getting way to comfortable doing that and every example we accept is another example that normalizes deplatforming as just the thing you do when you disagree with someone.
  • PaperDoll_
    PaperDoll_ Posts: 32,857 Member
    I don't think someone's freedom of speech should be censored unless their ideas are purposely and outright hurting someone else. Some people sell BS, and others are willing to buy it. People need to be responsible for themselves and educate themselves on what's out there before they accept any random idea someone is trying to sell them. There's a lot of information out there and people should have the right to all of it even if it's information they don't agree with.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    How good are people at evaluating the validity of claims these days, when few investigate further than the top ten google hits?

    Is it all buyer beware or do agencies that make health claims be held to higher account?

    In Canada, pharmacists, doctors and lawyers are restricted in the ways they can advertise their services. I must say the ambulance chasing commercials I see from the US leave a bad taste in my mouth.

    Then again, negative political ads give me the same rotten feeling.
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,252 Member
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    Obviously I don't like people who attempt to market bs treatments on the back of fearmongering actual medicine. That said I can't support deplatforming people. If someone wants to speak publicly and other people want to pay to hear them...let it happen. If you dont like it then get your own platform and speak your peace.

    I am not comfortable with the idea that if you dont like what someone has to say that empowers you to attempt to prevent their speech. I fear we are getting way to comfortable doing that and every example we accept is another example that normalizes deplatforming as just the thing you do when you disagree with someone.

    I am of the same mind, but put a slightly different spin on it.

    Society absolutely needs free speech and cannot afford to silence or deplatform people and ideas someone doesn't like. If bad ideas are allowed to foment in silence without rebut this provides the catalyst to growth without control.

    I may not agree with your views, but I will fight to the death to ensure your right to speak it.
  • stanmann571
    stanmann571 Posts: 5,727 Member
    CSARdiver wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    Obviously I don't like people who attempt to market bs treatments on the back of fearmongering actual medicine. That said I can't support deplatforming people. If someone wants to speak publicly and other people want to pay to hear them...let it happen. If you dont like it then get your own platform and speak your peace.

    I am not comfortable with the idea that if you dont like what someone has to say that empowers you to attempt to prevent their speech. I fear we are getting way to comfortable doing that and every example we accept is another example that normalizes deplatforming as just the thing you do when you disagree with someone.

    I am of the same mind, but put a slightly different spin on it.

    Society absolutely needs free speech and cannot afford to silence or deplatform people and ideas someone doesn't like. If bad ideas are allowed to foment in silence without rebut this provides the catalyst to growth without control.

    I may not agree with your views, but I will fight to the death to ensure your right to speak it.

    You can see it over the last 50-80 years.

    When you can point to how various groups promoting foolish philosophies, racism, communism, etc are allowed to speak their piece and are appropriately ignored or answered in kind they wither, and when they're squelched either by social pressure or legal means, they grow underground until they become malignant. Bad ideas wither in the light.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    A disturbing trend of our time is the bigger platform allowed to the fringe, thanks to the internet. Fringers can find each other and reinforce their beliefs in the comfort of their community, with few opposing voices.

    Canada recently got a violent awakening to the community of “incels” for instance.

    I think the pig farmer vitamin peddler and his son, mentioned above, I believe, is another.
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,252 Member
    jgnatca wrote: »
    A disturbinginevitable trend of our time is the bigger platform allowed to the fringe, thanks to the internet. Fringers can find each other and reinforce their beliefs in the comfort of their community, with few opposing voices.

    Canada recently got a violent awakening to the community of “incels” for instance.

    I think the pig farmer vitamin peddler and his son, mentioned above, I believe, is another.

    Did anyone think the entitlement/victim mentality would stop at finance? Incel is simply the latest extension of the victim mentality.

    Note there is no effort to improve themselves, just demanding that which has not been earned.
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