How do I talk my Mom off the "Sugar is Toxic" ledge?
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I am gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that you embrace your mom's idea.
Some of the author's you cited that she likes actually do not say avoid sugar at all cost. The argument is against empty-calorie foods/drinks containing sucrose or fructose. Their suggestions are typically just to avoid all sugary drinks, even fruit juices and to consume fiber when having sugary things (surprise surprise, most natural sources of fructose contain plenty of fiber) which helps counteract the argued negative effects.
Sounds to me that your mother read only parts (or watched) and didn't get the whole picture.
This way, you can help her out, without going "you're wrong, chug these sugar cubes!" or whatnot.14 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Hyperbolic position used to bring comedic value due to the absurdity while highlighting the previous position's more practical approach to a solution. I am sorry if it came across as I seriously and wholeheartedly assumed people in this forum were advocating force feeding an old woman sugar cubes.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Hyperbolic position used to bring comedic value due to the absurdity while highlighting the previous position's more practical approach to a solution. I am sorry if it came across as I seriously and wholeheartedly assumed people in this forum were advocating force feeding an old woman sugar cubes.
Sorry for taking you too literally. It's just that threads about sugar tend to bring out the strawmen arguments sometimes, so I misread you.9 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Mom keeps seeing these types of articles in the Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/guides/smarterliving/how-to-stop-eating-sugar
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
She also has a book on brain health with the same attitude. (I don't know the title off hand.)
I've started by asking her how many grams of added sugar she consumes per day. (I already know the answer is a lot less than the average American. For starters, she doesn't drink sweetened beverages.)
Now, I'd need more than "Lustig is a quack" or "Taubes is a quack." I'd need something reputable debunking their theories. (Not random blog posts.)
I've read here a lot that our bodies don't know the difference between sugar from fruit and sugar from added sugar - are there reputable sources for this?
BTW, she's not trying to lose weight and in fact struggles to stay above Underweight because she is very very active, especially for her age (80).
TIA
for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors). But some people seem to thrive on it and if your not really seeing or feeling any ill health problems it probably doesn't mean you need to worry too much on it. but if she wants to try low to no sugar let her see if it works for herself, if it doesn't work for her she will stop and if she thrives she will be better off for it so i would be happy for her if she is feeling well, only a monster would want someone to go back eating something that is causing someone else ill. only worry if health problems start showing up.
What most people would benefit more from is removing sugar that is not from something like a fruit or veggie. (if you don't medically need to avoid it in general). basically processed sugars added to 'sweeten' stuff up is what is not overly good sense its also just empty calories not in accusation with nutrients. these added sugars also have a bad habit of causing a bad spike of blood sugar that tends to drop too fast at times making a person hungry within a few hours after foods.
it's better to talk around than to go off these 'studies' as most medical food related 'studies' don't take into consider other factors that pays into health and most studies in general are funded by someone selling something. especially the ones demonizing fats or carbs. For health its petty much just go off what your body is telling you and taking out what is causing you problems by isolation periods of certain items.
But let her try it and let her see how her body responds to it. If you don't want to listen to her just don't listen to her but let her work on her own body sense she is the one living in it. But if she struggles with weight and doesn't use carbs suggest home made nut butters like pecan. basically pecans and coconut oil. or just Fat bombs from something like coconut oil mixed with other simple items. Though if she is fat adapted she can use a little bit of carbs to spike insulin enough for it to start putting a little fat back on, done every so often its fine.34 -
stevencloser wrote: »JMcGee2018 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »vermilionflower wrote: »Fructose separated from the fruit is just like eating any other sugar, but that's completely different than eating fruit where the fructose is not separated. Straight sugar has zero nutrition, there's no healthy amount because it isn't nutritious.kshama2001 wrote: »Mom keeps seeing these types of articles in the Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/guides/smarterliving/how-to-stop-eating-sugar
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
She also has a book on brain health with the same attitude. (I don't know the title off hand.)
I've started by asking her how many grams of added sugar she consumes per day. (I already know the answer is a lot less than the average American. For starters, she doesn't drink sweetened beverages.)
Now, I'd need more than "Lustig is a quack" or "Taubes is a quack." I'd need something reputable debunking their theories. (Not random blog posts.)
I've read here a lot that our bodies don't know the difference between sugar from fruit and sugar from added sugar - are there reputable sources for this?
BTW, she's not trying to lose weight and in fact struggles to stay above Underweight because she is very very active, especially for her age (80).
TIA
On fruit, fruit has vitamins/bioflavnoids/minerals and some fiber, than does refined sugar. Sugar are empty calories, devoid of healthy nutrients except for carbs.
You guys DO know that there's a minimum amount of calories your body needs, right? If you were only eating the nutrients your body needs, the essential fats and proteins, and carbs only from the most nutritious, green vegetables for their minerals and vitamins... you'd starve to death eventually because that's something like 800 calories.
But there's no reason to be getting those calories from simple sugars. Complex carbs, protein, and healthy fats are all better ways to meet those caloric needs than bags of skittles, although both options will do the job of keeping you alive.
Agree. Fruits are considered complex carbs. Do you agree that eating a few fruits can serve the purpose?
As for Skittles, might be fuel for Marshawn Lynch to go Beastmode. Or for aiding someone having a hypoglycemic episode. I limit my "sugar" intake, and limit high glycemic index foods.
Fruits are not complex carbs. And what is the reason for eating more protein and more fats after you've already met your needs? Just your subjective opinion that sugars are bad for you?
My body needs proteins, fats, and carbs. I work out swimming laps and other water fitness activities.
As a serious swimmer, nutrition is very important to keep me healthy, happy, well nourished, and swimming well.
The MFP is working well for me. I am eating better, feeling faster and stronger, happier, and slimming/toning.
I have tried Atkins and got horribly sick on it decades ago.
Recently I tried to cut down my carbs, and bonked 20 mins in the pool. I had to push myself to finish my hour swim. Words can't describe how lethargic I felt. My blood sugar dropped and I got shakey.
You don't know me enough to judge my weight loss efforts (meal plan, excercise levels ).
I don't go around saying Keto is a bad approach all the time, I usually leave it to the Keto dieters to figure out for themselves if the Keto approach is good or bad for them.
All I know is my own personal experiences. I know what foods keep me going. I do sometimes offer insights to those struggling with Keto, especially if red flags come up on their posts.
I have seen fruits listed as both simple carbs and also complex carbs btw. However I do know most fruits are high glycemic foods (glycemic index) and that fruit with fiber is a better choice than fruit processed into juice.
Peace out. Let's lay this to rest. I don't need the stress. Let's just disagree to disagree.
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xhunter561 wrote: »for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors).
The bold is an outright falsehood, peddled by pseudoscientific quacks like Taubes, Lustig and Fung. Sugar is not "toxic" by any legitimate definition of the word.16 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Hi all - sorry I wasn't clear. I don't want Mom to make ANY changes - I want her to stop worrying about sugar. She eats very healthily, but has been worrying about her (almost non-existent) sugar consumption.
Is she worrying about it to a level that's causing her major distress? Can she raise her calories while still harboring her "sugar is toxic" belief?
Everyone needs a hobby. I think, in a way, that it's a positive that as an 80 year old she has a topic that keeps her engaged and learning (even if the material she's learning isn't 100% correct).1 -
xhunter561 wrote: »for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors).
The bold is an outright falsehood, peddled by pseudoscientific quacks like Taubes, Lustig and Fung. Sugar is not "toxic" by any legitimate definition of the word.
when i eat carbs or simple carbs i Do have these side affects so no its not false.26 -
xhunter561 wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors).
The bold is an outright falsehood, peddled by pseudoscientific quacks like Taubes, Lustig and Fung. Sugar is not "toxic" by any legitimate definition of the word.
when i eat carbs or simple carbs i Do have these side affects so no its not false.
They poison you and you have to go to a hospital for an antidote?
Also n=1 is not the same as n=all, and the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. For somebody who has a peanut allergy, eating peanuts can be fatal. That doesn't mean peanuts are "toxic" or that nobody should eat peanuts.
As far as processed vs. unprocessed, it makes no difference to the body. Sugar is sugar and it's metabolized the same way.20 -
Chunkahlunkah wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Hi all - sorry I wasn't clear. I don't want Mom to make ANY changes - I want her to stop worrying about sugar. She eats very healthily, but has been worrying about her (almost non-existent) sugar consumption.
Is she worrying about it to a level that's causing her major distress? Can she raise her calories while still harboring her "sugar is toxic" belief?
Everyone needs a hobby. I think, in a way, that it's a positive that as an 80 year old she has a topic that keeps her engaged and learning (even if the material she's learning isn't 100% correct).
you can raise your calories on any type of diet plan. for low carb type diets and low sugar diets you just need to eat something like pecans (home made nut butters with coconut oil or mct oils) and avocados.8 -
xhunter561 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Mom keeps seeing these types of articles in the Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/guides/smarterliving/how-to-stop-eating-sugar
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
She also has a book on brain health with the same attitude. (I don't know the title off hand.)
I've started by asking her how many grams of added sugar she consumes per day. (I already know the answer is a lot less than the average American. For starters, she doesn't drink sweetened beverages.)
Now, I'd need more than "Lustig is a quack" or "Taubes is a quack." I'd need something reputable debunking their theories. (Not random blog posts.)
I've read here a lot that our bodies don't know the difference between sugar from fruit and sugar from added sugar - are there reputable sources for this?
BTW, she's not trying to lose weight and in fact struggles to stay above Underweight because she is very very active, especially for her age (80).
TIA
for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors). But some people seem to thrive on it and if your not really seeing or feeling any ill health problems it probably doesn't mean you need to worry too much on it. but if she wants to try low to no sugar let her see if it works for herself, if it doesn't work for her she will stop and if she thrives she will be better off for it so i would be happy for her if she is feeling well, only a monster would want someone to go back eating something that is causing someone else ill. only worry if health problems start showing up.
What most people would benefit more from is removing sugar that is not from something like a fruit or veggie. (if you don't medically need to avoid it in general). basically processed sugars added to 'sweeten' stuff up is what is not overly good sense its also just empty calories not in accusation with nutrients. these added sugars also have a bad habit of causing a bad spike of blood sugar that tends to drop too fast at times making a person hungry within a few hours after foods.
it's better to talk around than to go off these 'studies' as most medical food related 'studies' don't take into consider other factors that pays into health and most studies in general are funded by someone selling something. especially the ones demonizing fats or carbs. For health its petty much just go off what your body is telling you and taking out what is causing you problems by isolation periods of certain items.
But let her try it and let her see how her body responds to it. If you don't want to listen to her just don't listen to her but let her work on her own body sense she is the one living in it. But if she struggles with weight and doesn't use carbs suggest home made nut butters like pecan. basically pecans and coconut oil. or just Fat bombs from something like coconut oil mixed with other simple items. Though if she is fat adapted she can use a little bit of carbs to spike insulin enough for it to start putting a little fat back on, done every so often its fine.
I'm shaking my head in wonder how Mom, who:
1) has always eaten a healthy diet
2) read a couple of articles regarding sugar and
3) is contemplating reducing sugar
Has turned into:
1) making fat bombs
2) being fat adapted and
3) eating a few carbs to spike her insulin.
What?10 -
xhunter561 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Mom keeps seeing these types of articles in the Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/guides/smarterliving/how-to-stop-eating-sugar
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
She also has a book on brain health with the same attitude. (I don't know the title off hand.)
I've started by asking her how many grams of added sugar she consumes per day. (I already know the answer is a lot less than the average American. For starters, she doesn't drink sweetened beverages.)
Now, I'd need more than "Lustig is a quack" or "Taubes is a quack." I'd need something reputable debunking their theories. (Not random blog posts.)
I've read here a lot that our bodies don't know the difference between sugar from fruit and sugar from added sugar - are there reputable sources for this?
BTW, she's not trying to lose weight and in fact struggles to stay above Underweight because she is very very active, especially for her age (80).
TIA
for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors). But some people seem to thrive on it and if your not really seeing or feeling any ill health problems it probably doesn't mean you need to worry too much on it. but if she wants to try low to no sugar let her see if it works for herself, if it doesn't work for her she will stop and if she thrives she will be better off for it so i would be happy for her if she is feeling well, only a monster would want someone to go back eating something that is causing someone else ill. only worry if health problems start showing up.
What most people would benefit more from is removing sugar that is not from something like a fruit or veggie. (if you don't medically need to avoid it in general). basically processed sugars added to 'sweeten' stuff up is what is not overly good sense its also just empty calories not in accusation with nutrients. these added sugars also have a bad habit of causing a bad spike of blood sugar that tends to drop too fast at times making a person hungry within a few hours after foods.
it's better to talk around than to go off these 'studies' as most medical food related 'studies' don't take into consider other factors that pays into health and most studies in general are funded by someone selling something. especially the ones demonizing fats or carbs. For health its petty much just go off what your body is telling you and taking out what is causing you problems by isolation periods of certain items.
But let her try it and let her see how her body responds to it. If you don't want to listen to her just don't listen to her but let her work on her own body sense she is the one living in it. But if she struggles with weight and doesn't use carbs suggest home made nut butters like pecan. basically pecans and coconut oil. or just Fat bombs from something like coconut oil mixed with other simple items. Though if she is fat adapted she can use a little bit of carbs to spike insulin enough for it to start putting a little fat back on, done every so often its fine.
All sugar is from a fruit or veggie. The white powdery stuff you get in a bag? Made by making sugar beet tea and boiling it until all the water evaporates.13 -
xhunter561 wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors).
The bold is an outright falsehood, peddled by pseudoscientific quacks like Taubes, Lustig and Fung. Sugar is not "toxic" by any legitimate definition of the word.
when i eat carbs or simple carbs i Do have these side affects so no its not false.
They poison you and you have to go to a hospital for an antidote?
Also n=1 is not the same as n=all, and the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. For somebody who has a peanut allergy, eating peanuts can be fatal. That doesn't mean peanuts are "toxic" or that nobody should eat peanuts.
As far as processed vs. unprocessed, it makes no difference to the body. Sugar is sugar and it's metabolized the same way.
we are going to have to agree to disagree i suppose. toxic is anything that causes ill to a person and should be used with caution or avoided for those that do have problems with the thing in question.29 -
xhunter561 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Mom keeps seeing these types of articles in the Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/guides/smarterliving/how-to-stop-eating-sugar
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
She also has a book on brain health with the same attitude. (I don't know the title off hand.)
I've started by asking her how many grams of added sugar she consumes per day. (I already know the answer is a lot less than the average American. For starters, she doesn't drink sweetened beverages.)
Now, I'd need more than "Lustig is a quack" or "Taubes is a quack." I'd need something reputable debunking their theories. (Not random blog posts.)
I've read here a lot that our bodies don't know the difference between sugar from fruit and sugar from added sugar - are there reputable sources for this?
BTW, she's not trying to lose weight and in fact struggles to stay above Underweight because she is very very active, especially for her age (80).
TIA
for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors). But some people seem to thrive on it and if your not really seeing or feeling any ill health problems it probably doesn't mean you need to worry too much on it. but if she wants to try low to no sugar let her see if it works for herself, if it doesn't work for her she will stop and if she thrives she will be better off for it so i would be happy for her if she is feeling well, only a monster would want someone to go back eating something that is causing someone else ill. only worry if health problems start showing up.
What most people would benefit more from is removing sugar that is not from something like a fruit or veggie. (if you don't medically need to avoid it in general). basically processed sugars added to 'sweeten' stuff up is what is not overly good sense its also just empty calories not in accusation with nutrients. these added sugars also have a bad habit of causing a bad spike of blood sugar that tends to drop too fast at times making a person hungry within a few hours after foods.
it's better to talk around than to go off these 'studies' as most medical food related 'studies' don't take into consider other factors that pays into health and most studies in general are funded by someone selling something. especially the ones demonizing fats or carbs. For health its petty much just go off what your body is telling you and taking out what is causing you problems by isolation periods of certain items.
But let her try it and let her see how her body responds to it. If you don't want to listen to her just don't listen to her but let her work on her own body sense she is the one living in it. But if she struggles with weight and doesn't use carbs suggest home made nut butters like pecan. basically pecans and coconut oil. or just Fat bombs from something like coconut oil mixed with other simple items. Though if she is fat adapted she can use a little bit of carbs to spike insulin enough for it to start putting a little fat back on, done every so often its fine.
I'm shaking my head in wonder how Mom, who:
1) has always eaten a healthy diet
2) read a couple of articles regarding sugar and
3) is contemplating reducing sugar
Has turned into:
1) making fat bombs
2) being fat adapted and
3) eating a few carbs to spike her insulin.
What?
if she is contemplating reducing sugars then evidently there is a reason. people that eat healthy for them selves really don't bother changing their diets unless they are testing a diet. healthy is a very subjective thing as what is healthy for one person might not be as healthy for another. its just that simple and for the second part if i am getting your question is the whole thing of having a hard time staying at a healthy weight (not falling bellow) from a flexible diet stance for someone that wants to stay away from sugars, or at lest the empty sugars ( processed stuff). Carbs seem to spike insulin really well and used right it can help you produce more insulin naturally without a shot.18 -
stevencloser wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Mom keeps seeing these types of articles in the Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/guides/smarterliving/how-to-stop-eating-sugar
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html
She also has a book on brain health with the same attitude. (I don't know the title off hand.)
I've started by asking her how many grams of added sugar she consumes per day. (I already know the answer is a lot less than the average American. For starters, she doesn't drink sweetened beverages.)
Now, I'd need more than "Lustig is a quack" or "Taubes is a quack." I'd need something reputable debunking their theories. (Not random blog posts.)
I've read here a lot that our bodies don't know the difference between sugar from fruit and sugar from added sugar - are there reputable sources for this?
BTW, she's not trying to lose weight and in fact struggles to stay above Underweight because she is very very active, especially for her age (80).
TIA
for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors). But some people seem to thrive on it and if your not really seeing or feeling any ill health problems it probably doesn't mean you need to worry too much on it. but if she wants to try low to no sugar let her see if it works for herself, if it doesn't work for her she will stop and if she thrives she will be better off for it so i would be happy for her if she is feeling well, only a monster would want someone to go back eating something that is causing someone else ill. only worry if health problems start showing up.
What most people would benefit more from is removing sugar that is not from something like a fruit or veggie. (if you don't medically need to avoid it in general). basically processed sugars added to 'sweeten' stuff up is what is not overly good sense its also just empty calories not in accusation with nutrients. these added sugars also have a bad habit of causing a bad spike of blood sugar that tends to drop too fast at times making a person hungry within a few hours after foods.
it's better to talk around than to go off these 'studies' as most medical food related 'studies' don't take into consider other factors that pays into health and most studies in general are funded by someone selling something. especially the ones demonizing fats or carbs. For health its petty much just go off what your body is telling you and taking out what is causing you problems by isolation periods of certain items.
But let her try it and let her see how her body responds to it. If you don't want to listen to her just don't listen to her but let her work on her own body sense she is the one living in it. But if she struggles with weight and doesn't use carbs suggest home made nut butters like pecan. basically pecans and coconut oil. or just Fat bombs from something like coconut oil mixed with other simple items. Though if she is fat adapted she can use a little bit of carbs to spike insulin enough for it to start putting a little fat back on, done every so often its fine.
All sugar is from a fruit or veggie. The white powdery stuff you get in a bag? Made by making sugar beet tea and boiling it until all the water evaporates.
yes but the white stuff in bags have had all nutrition stripped from it as well as the fiber from the plant its taken from. sugar cane and sugar beets. its just processed empty calories lacking in nutrition in comparison to just nibbling on the actual plant it came from.18 -
xhunter561 wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors).
The bold is an outright falsehood, peddled by pseudoscientific quacks like Taubes, Lustig and Fung. Sugar is not "toxic" by any legitimate definition of the word.
when i eat carbs or simple carbs i Do have these side affects so no its not false.
They poison you and you have to go to a hospital for an antidote?
Also n=1 is not the same as n=all, and the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. For somebody who has a peanut allergy, eating peanuts can be fatal. That doesn't mean peanuts are "toxic" or that nobody should eat peanuts.
As far as processed vs. unprocessed, it makes no difference to the body. Sugar is sugar and it's metabolized the same way.
we are going to have to agree to disagree i suppose. toxic is anything that causes ill to a person and should be used with caution or avoided for those that do have problems with the thing in question.
Unfortunately, that's how misinformation gets started - when people decide to make up their own definitions that don't match what the real definition of something is.
So if I decide that I want to call my car a bicycle, then tell everybody that riding a bicycle 100 miles back and forth to work every day doesn't burn many calories or increase my fitness, I'm not being very helpful to anybody.22 -
xhunter561 wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »xhunter561 wrote: »for most people sugar is really toxic and can cause a number of health problems from inflammation, headaches, bad sugar drops, ect. for others not so much it just depends on your body, age, genetics, processed or unprocessed, how often its being consumed, and over all reason on eating it (as well as a lot more factors).
The bold is an outright falsehood, peddled by pseudoscientific quacks like Taubes, Lustig and Fung. Sugar is not "toxic" by any legitimate definition of the word.
when i eat carbs or simple carbs i Do have these side affects so no its not false.
They poison you and you have to go to a hospital for an antidote?
Also n=1 is not the same as n=all, and the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. For somebody who has a peanut allergy, eating peanuts can be fatal. That doesn't mean peanuts are "toxic" or that nobody should eat peanuts.
As far as processed vs. unprocessed, it makes no difference to the body. Sugar is sugar and it's metabolized the same way.
we are going to have to agree to disagree i suppose. toxic is anything that causes ill to a person and should be used with caution or avoided for those that do have problems with the thing in question.
Unfortunately, that's how misinformation gets started - when people decide to make up their own definitions that don't match what the real definition of something is.
So if I decide that I want to call my car a bicycle, then tell everybody that riding a bicycle 100 miles back and forth to work every day doesn't burn many calories or increase my fitness, I'm not being very helpful to anybody.
in any case if your getting a very bad side affect from something then for simple terms. and yes i have landed in the hospital from eating way too many carbs before because of severe responses with the headaches and just pain in general. Before cutting the simple carbs i was almost drove to suicide to get away from the pain i was constantly in so yes i'm going to say its really toxic for me to consume too many simple carbs. if you want to call that misinformation then you can call it that.18 -
kshama2001 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »OP's mom is not eating lots of sugar, that's kind of the point, so that's a sidetrack.
OP, are you worried she's getting so stressed she's not able to eat enough, or just that she's unnecessarily stressed? Is she getting concerned about added sugar and thinking she eats more than she really does? Maybe focusing on something like the WHO guidelines and their own explanation or the US Dietary guidelines or MyPlate, which are phrased pretty reasonably, would be helpful.
Yes, I will bring up the WHO guidelines, but anticipate she will counter that those are for reducing obesity, not preventing Alzheimer's.
I am both worried that 1. she will end up not eating enough and 2. that she is unnecessarily stressed, because she is already a very healthy eater.
She has since clarified that it's not just added sugar she wants to cut down on, but sugar from fruits, etc. I will let her know that berries are lower sugar fruits.
I know that you got this, so I am saying it for others who seemed to have missed this:
* She never ate a lot of added sugar to start with, so reducing sugar will necessarily come out of healthy foods like fruits.
* And this is new, so I'm not trying to change an 80 year old set in her ways, but someone recently succumbing to the current sugar alarmism, which is not applicable to her natural healthy eating habits.
She has been reading "that there is a connection between sugar and insulin resistance and brain cells and Alzheimer's". Her goal is to get down to 25 g sugar total (total meaning including naturally occurring sugars.)
She dropped into Underweight when she was following the suggestions in Dropping Acid: The Reflux Diet Cookbook & Cure. This did help her silent reflux - she no longer sounds like she has hairballs all the time. I think she went all out for a while and then pruned it back to just a few suggestions.
She will probably do the same thing with the sugar thing - jump on this bandwagon full force for a while, and then taper off to something more reasonable.
Maybe I am stressing more than she is
I don't have anything helpful to add, but I'm kind of in awe of how many people believe they know your mother better than you do. I hope everything works out for the two of you and you can both stop stressing soon :flowerforyou:15 -
Maybe your mother will like this article from the New York Times. A woman nearly dies from Scurvy from eliminating all fruit from her diet.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/magazine/a-painful-bruise-wouldnt-heal-it-took-several-hospital-visits-to-discover-why.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/7
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