Hating on abs, I get it, but who doesnt want a strong core?
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I also ride to everywhere in my full leathers no matter the weather. I had the Scorpion pants for textile stuff...It's the best textiles I found and DO NOT RECOMMEND. Will wear nothing but leather now. And it has to zip. I turned my scorpion leather jacket insideout on the highway and well I went through the pants and the pant liner and the waterproof liner and my own pants and my underwear and some of my skinThe alpinestar boots, I love em. I was thinking about the sidis, but I tend to get off my bike and wander. I'm after hiking up mountains in those boots. There's no way I was gonna do that in a pair of sidis. I'm kinda mad at the whole Vika Outfit A* just came out with. Protection my *kitten*. Would be cute for a porno tho.
I'm 5'8 and have a 25 inch waist and a huge *kitten* (13 inches larger)...the dainese suit is far to short for me. It's a size 42 and very lose in the everything...the thighs, HUGE in the waist, and even in my usually tightest spot (hips) it's loose. I am wearing a sweater and pants inside that suit. But there was no way I was getting a 40 just for length, the 42s are already hurting my knees. But I didn't really want a custom and this is the only womens D-skin suit on the market. And I'm not about to force over the mula for a custom made kangaroo skin suit.
I ride a little ninja. It's actually hilarious that I'm in a dainese suit for it...but hey, it saved my *kitten*, literally.
your skin doesn't care a rats *kitten* if you are 80 mph on a 'busa or a ninjette.
You'll slide and turn into ground beef either way. I ride in full leathers to work- which is all of 15 miles- or I was until I out-shrank my leathers.
My Dianese is a 40 I think- it's amazaballs- but their pants are a joke for women It hink- my waist is something like a 28 and my butt's 39- so I"m right there with you. I"m going to drift toward full kevlar jeans- little more practical for the kind of riding i'm going to be doing right now. (No track this year- just commuting- and occasional mountain joy riding)
I have the Super Tech boots- not the R- the first gen ones- I REALLY REALLY like them- but they are not for walking in the least. I have the Sidi fusions- and that's the biggest waste of 100$ I ever spent- fracking useless.
I'm pretty picky about boots-the beefier the better. I'm a dancer and I need my feet/ankles- and flip flops take up no room at all in my givi.
They held up for half a second and then onto the insideout jacket I went flying turtle style to avoid rashing myself.0 -
my objection to leather is not just temperature realated.
just feels confining, much more confident with out it.
the only leather i have has a huge collar on it that actually prevents me from looking forward without fighting it while in the riding postion.
so thats probably got me biased lol
Honestly that doesn't sound like a leather sport jacket. Ones made for sport riding tend to have wide collars so as to be unrestrictive. Also the way they're tailored they tend to be more comfortable when in an aggressive riding position because they naturally "hold" you in that position. I wouldn't want to walk around in it, but my AGV Sport 1 piece leather suit makes being ON the bike (in what would normally be an uncomfortable, aggressive position) a lot more comfortable and also improves control.0 -
I also ride to everywhere in my full leathers no matter the weather. I had the Scorpion pants for textile stuff...It's the best textiles I found and DO NOT RECOMMEND. Will wear nothing but leather now. And it has to zip. I turned my scorpion leather jacket insideout on the highway and well I went through the pants and the pant liner and the waterproof liner and my own pants and my underwear and some of my skinThe alpinestar boots, I love em. I was thinking about the sidis, but I tend to get off my bike and wander. I'm after hiking up mountains in those boots. There's no way I was gonna do that in a pair of sidis. I'm kinda mad at the whole Vika Outfit A* just came out with. Protection my *kitten*. Would be cute for a porno tho.
I'm 5'8 and have a 25 inch waist and a huge *kitten* (13 inches larger)...the dainese suit is far to short for me. It's a size 42 and very lose in the everything...the thighs, HUGE in the waist, and even in my usually tightest spot (hips) it's loose. I am wearing a sweater and pants inside that suit. But there was no way I was getting a 40 just for length, the 42s are already hurting my knees. But I didn't really want a custom and this is the only womens D-skin suit on the market. And I'm not about to force over the mula for a custom made kangaroo skin suit.
I ride a little ninja. It's actually hilarious that I'm in a dainese suit for it...but hey, it saved my *kitten*, literally.
your skin doesn't care a rats *kitten* if you are 80 mph on a 'busa or a ninjette.
You'll slide and turn into ground beef either way. I ride in full leathers to work- which is all of 15 miles- or I was until I out-shrank my leathers.
My Dianese is a 40 I think- it's amazaballs- but their pants are a joke for women It hink- my waist is something like a 28 and my butt's 39- so I"m right there with you. I"m going to drift toward full kevlar jeans- little more practical for the kind of riding i'm going to be doing right now. (No track this year- just commuting- and occasional mountain joy riding)
I have the Super Tech boots- not the R- the first gen ones- I REALLY REALLY like them- but they are not for walking in the least. I have the Sidi fusions- and that's the biggest waste of 100$ I ever spent- fracking useless.
I'm pretty picky about boots-the beefier the better. I'm a dancer and I need my feet/ankles- and flip flops take up no room at all in my givi.
They held up for half a second and then onto the insideout jacket I went flying turtle style to avoid rashing myself.
Be careful now. There are a lot of guys I know who would consider a girl giving first hand experience of how riding gear holds up as pillow talk. =P0 -
I hate that brand...my water proof boots are not water proof and I found this out on a 6 hr ride. fml.are the full kevlar pants hella expensive?
You mean Teknic? I have a mesh Teknic jacket that is definetly my favorite jacket. not sure how well it would do in a slide but its pretty close to wearing a t-shirt comfort wise at highway speeds. also does not fit ideal, a little two short in the torso, but next size up would make too big everywhere.0 -
you are correct, its not intended to be worn in any kind of aggressive position.
it just looked cool lol. was the first jacket i bought other then the one they put me in at the dealership.0 -
sounds like iconmy objection to leather is not just temperature realated.
just feels confining, much more confident with out it.
the only leather i have has a huge collar on it that actually prevents me from looking forward without fighting it while in the riding postion.
so thats probably got me biased lol
Honestly that doesn't sound like a leather sport jacket. Ones made for sport riding tend to have wide collars so as to be unrestrictive. Also the way they're tailored they tend to be more comfortable when in an aggressive riding position because they naturally "hold" you in that position. I wouldn't want to walk around in it, but my AGV Sport 1 piece leather suit makes being ON the bike (in what would normally be an uncomfortable, aggressive position) a lot more comfortable and also improves control.
I choke in my icon leathers. 0 -
you are correct, its not intended to be worn in any kind of aggressive position.
it just looked cool lol. was the first jacket i bought other then the one they put me in at the dealership.
Form should follow function, man =P In any case, I know for a fact I ride better when I wear gear that is tailored for an aggressive riding position, with extreme pre-curve going on. It just so happens that those jackets tend to be most uncomfortable when in any other position.0 -
lol I just figured they were all asking to see my bum to figure out if I have road rash :frown:
I also ride to everywhere in my full leathers no matter the weather. I had the Scorpion pants for textile stuff...It's the best textiles I found and DO NOT RECOMMEND. Will wear nothing but leather now. And it has to zip. I turned my scorpion leather jacket insideout on the highway and well I went through the pants and the pant liner and the waterproof liner and my own pants and my underwear and some of my skinThe alpinestar boots, I love em. I was thinking about the sidis, but I tend to get off my bike and wander. I'm after hiking up mountains in those boots. There's no way I was gonna do that in a pair of sidis. I'm kinda mad at the whole Vika Outfit A* just came out with. Protection my *kitten*. Would be cute for a porno tho.
I'm 5'8 and have a 25 inch waist and a huge *kitten* (13 inches larger)...the dainese suit is far to short for me. It's a size 42 and very lose in the everything...the thighs, HUGE in the waist, and even in my usually tightest spot (hips) it's loose. I am wearing a sweater and pants inside that suit. But there was no way I was getting a 40 just for length, the 42s are already hurting my knees. But I didn't really want a custom and this is the only womens D-skin suit on the market. And I'm not about to force over the mula for a custom made kangaroo skin suit.
I ride a little ninja. It's actually hilarious that I'm in a dainese suit for it...but hey, it saved my *kitten*, literally.
your skin doesn't care a rats *kitten* if you are 80 mph on a 'busa or a ninjette.
You'll slide and turn into ground beef either way. I ride in full leathers to work- which is all of 15 miles- or I was until I out-shrank my leathers.
My Dianese is a 40 I think- it's amazaballs- but their pants are a joke for women It hink- my waist is something like a 28 and my butt's 39- so I"m right there with you. I"m going to drift toward full kevlar jeans- little more practical for the kind of riding i'm going to be doing right now. (No track this year- just commuting- and occasional mountain joy riding)
I have the Super Tech boots- not the R- the first gen ones- I REALLY REALLY like them- but they are not for walking in the least. I have the Sidi fusions- and that's the biggest waste of 100$ I ever spent- fracking useless.
I'm pretty picky about boots-the beefier the better. I'm a dancer and I need my feet/ankles- and flip flops take up no room at all in my givi.
They held up for half a second and then onto the insideout jacket I went flying turtle style to avoid rashing myself.
Be careful now. There are a lot of guys I know who would consider a girl giving first hand experience of how riding gear holds up as pillow talk. =P0 -
Meh, abs are a muscle group just like any other and need to be trained. Just another accessory to work on.0
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All about the abs! You can do alot of workouts that also involve ab muscles to take part. I like hanging legs lifts and sit ups. But concentrate on my obliques more. Abs aren't abs without obliques0
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You're going to get totally different answers from people who come from one of two schools of thought here:
1. Core Strength.
2. Visible, well-developed abdominal muscles.
You can usually tell which one the answerers fall under by whether they use the word "abs" or "core."
Having a shredded and defined midsection does not necessarily equate to having a strong core.0 -
I do agree that you can get in some work doing compound exercises, such as squats, push ups, etc. But I've personally found that I'm able to do these exercises better because I included core isolation exercises such as crunches and planks.
ETA: But I like what someone else said that basically the reason people "le sigh" isn't because of the exercise, but because of the assumed notions that exist thanks to the advertising of such ab only workouts. Also, more often than not, the person asking isn't really concerned about actually strengthening their core but getting rid of the fat there and are looking for specific answers to fat loss, versus strength.
I pretty sure the bolded part is the answer to the OPs concerns. 99% of the responses that lambast iso ab routines are to correct the fallacy of spot reduction.
^ Yup. The bolded is the most basic answer to OP's question.0 -
All about the abs! You can do alot of workouts that also involve ab muscles to take part. I like hanging legs lifts and sit ups. But concentrate on my obliques more. Abs aren't abs without obliques
big thumbs up for hanging leg lifts.
discovered i'm lacking in my obliques... any particular exercises you feel are most effective?0 -
hanging leg lifts and ab wheel really like those0
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discovered i'm lacking in my obliques... any particular exercises you feel are most effective?
Single dumbbell side bends.0 -
I do agree that you can get in some work doing compound exercises, such as squats, push ups, etc. But I've personally found that I'm able to do these exercises better because I included core isolation exercises such as crunches and planks.
ETA: But I like what someone else said that basically the reason people "le sigh" isn't because of the exercise, but because of the assumed notions that exist thanks to the advertising of such ab only workouts. Also, more often than not, the person asking isn't really concerned about actually strengthening their core but getting rid of the fat there and are looking for specific answers to fat loss, versus strength.
I pretty sure the bolded part is the answer to the OPs concerns. 99% of the responses that lambast iso ab routines are to correct the fallacy of spot reduction.
^ Yup. The bolded is the most basic answer to OP's question.
Big +1 here. We often try to discourage people here from doing ab-specific workouts/exercises when they ask, because 95% of the time the reason they ask is because they want to spot-burn fat from their abs to reveal their abs more, which those of us who have been around a while know is not impossible and will never get them to their goal.0 -
hanging leg lifts and ab wheel really like those
I agree that these are the most effective movements for a six pack. I'd also throw in leg raises where you push your feet towards the ceiling at the top of the movement, and then do as many crunches as you can afterwards (it will be much less then it would be without doing the lower ab stuff first), or insert whatever 'upper ab' exercise you like. Honestly nothing isolates the abs like the crunch...Single dumbbell side bends.
up unit recently, i would have said hell no to this. Always came from the school that you don't want to do any weighted ab stuff becasue it will only increase the size of your waste line.
While i suppose thats true, someone woke me up by sayin the old tried and true 'your not going to get big over night'.
So logically i'd probably see welcome changes LONG before it got to the point that i saw something i didn't like. then i could just stop doing them lol.
for some reason i'm still very hesitant to do weighted abs, especailly side bends. possibly because i tend to grow outward love handle wise at the waste and not so much in the gut.0 -
Couldn't agree more.False logic--Doing ab exercises isn't really "strengthening your core". "Core" work does NOT equal "ab work". Most lower back pain is related to weak glutes and tight hip flexors, not weak abs (assuming no structural damage). .
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Couldn't agree more.False logic--Doing ab exercises isn't really "strengthening your core". "Core" work does NOT equal "ab work". Most lower back pain is related to weak glutes and tight hip flexors, not weak abs (assuming no structural damage). .
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i think core work is not limited to ab work would be a more accurate way to state that0 -
All about the abs! You can do alot of workouts that also involve ab muscles to take part. I like hanging legs lifts and sit ups. But concentrate on my obliques more. Abs aren't abs without obliques
big thumbs up for hanging leg lifts.
discovered i'm lacking in my obliques... any particular exercises you feel are most effective?
russian twist with 25lbs or more then obliques side bends. theres a bunch0 -
I can agree that crunches suck, but I am not abut to drop pikes and other "core moves" I do with my TRX. Of course, since I'm usually stuck with the suspension trainer and no gym, almost every move I do relies on core stability. If I want more resistance on my biceps curl, I have to earn it with a better plank first.
I tend to think of things as push, pull, fold, unfold, twist.
You should be able to move well in all three dimensions.0 -
I thought that abs were made in the kitchen... You wont see them well defined unless your diet is spot on (some people never do).
Having said that - I like "doing abs" with the Fitball: Jack Knife plus Oblique Crunches. Also floor exercises: Planks and Medicine Ball twists for the obliques.
I agree that doing general compound exercises with good form will keep a persons core strong and that's going to give good results all round, whether they see their abs or not - at least underneath they will be strong.
There's nothing quite like not needing to suck your stomach in... it's just in.0 -
I thought that abs were made in the kitchen... You wont see them well defined unless your diet is spot on (some people never do).
Having said that - I like "doing abs" with the Fitball: Jack Knife plus Oblique Crunches. Also floor exercises: Planks and Medicine Ball twists for the obliques.
I agree that doing general compound exercises with good form will keep a persons core strong and that's going to give good results all round, whether they see their abs or not - at least underneath they will be strong.
There's nothing quite like not needing to suck your stomach in... it's just in.
It's just like any other muscle. There are people with fry little muscle and very little body fat, and if they did some lifting they would have a six pack.
For the vast majority the missing piece is diet, but for some select few, all that's needed is some training.0 -
All about the abs! You can do alot of workouts that also involve ab muscles to take part. I like hanging legs lifts and sit ups. But concentrate on my obliques more. Abs aren't abs without obliques
big thumbs up for hanging leg lifts.
discovered i'm lacking in my obliques... any particular exercises you feel are most effective?
Renegade row and pallof press are my two favorites.
start with say 10's or 15's. plank position with the DB in your hands- and (I would recommend when you FIRST do this) have someone hold your hips- feet are shoulder width... pull the weight up in a row (in plank) but DON"T MOVE YOUR HIPS>
Guys throwing around 35's when they do this are missing the most important part of this exercise- which is the oblique holding you stable.
GOD I LOVE IT- mostly I love putting my feet up on a stability ball and doing them that way- it's so stupid its' fun.
I did a bunch of L sit pull ups today- love how those work the trunk. Excellent exercise.0
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