'you're fat therefore you were eating too much food'... NO
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That was my take as well. But carefully-explained commonsense isn't welcome on this thread. :POK, I THINK WHAT SHE MEANS IS...
i can eat a bag of flaming hot cheetos, and that comes out to about 1800 calories... thats basically my maintenance. anything over without exercise, ill gain, so, it i eat a bag of flaming hot cheetos and a 6 pack of beer (my usual saturday "back then") i would be at a surplus...
this, vs...
1500 calories of lean meats, veggies, fruits, etc, which actually comes out to a hell of alot of food for the low amount of calories...
so, i think what she is saying, is, many people got fat off of too many calories, (even tho the amount of food may have not been much, ie: bag of flaming hot cheetos vs. same size bag of no butter popcorn) and now, when attempting to eat healthy, they are able to get full at lower calories since the food they are eating is more in quantity and less in calories...
i dont know if i make sense, but i get the "gist" of what she is saying...0 -
Her point seems to be "you can eat a small volume of food and still get fat, or you can eat a huge volume of food and get thin."
The problem is that's kind of a meaningless thing to say in terms of people saying "you're fat because you eat too much." No one is talking about the overall volume you eat, period. They mean that, whatever you're eating, you're eating too much of it.
If you eat less, you lose weight. Hence the "eat less move more" common sense diet plan. Consume fewer calories (and in many minds this means less fat, or whatever).
That's it, end of story. Yes, some foods have more calories per gram. However, "you're fat because you eat too much" is simply true.0 -
To the OP, I know EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN! I could go out with friends and we could order the exact same thing and I would eat less of what was on my plate than they did, but I'm still larger than they are. I can honestly say that I dieted my way to this weight - high carb, low fat; low carb, low fat, all veggie; high protein, NO carb - I really do believe I starved myself to the point I am now.
so your saying you starved yourself at over 100 lbs overweight (just going by your ticker)
I think someone needs to start being honest with themself0 -
OP has a point. When people think of fat people, they imagine them sitting around all day shoving their face constantly, when really, one large fast food meal for lunch and then dinner alone is enough to make someone fat when it's high calorie junk. It doesn't mean they shove their face all day, it means that a couple horrible choices through-out the day easily adds up.
Thus, replacing high calorie meals with more nutritious, lower calories foods means you will need to eat more and more frequently, simply because 1,500 calories of Burger King and 1,500 of fruits, vegetables, nuts, etc... look very different.
But still, calories in vs. calories out is what matters at the end of the day!
No, "people" don't actually give a **** what you do with your time. I don't picture fat people just sitting around and eating all day. I got fat from eating more than I spent in energy. What I can surmise when I see an obese person is that they have consumed more calories in their lifetime than they have expended. Because the empirical evidence is literally standing before me.
When you decide what other people think without any evidence whatsoever, it's usually because you are projecting. Kind of silly to judge others for not judging you accurately based on something probably inaccurate. It's something you learn not to do if you want healthy relationships with others and with yourself.
Cognitive behavioral therapy might be helpful if this is you.0 -
To the OP, I know EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN! I could go out with friends and we could order the exact same thing and I would eat less of what was on my plate than they did, but I'm still larger than they are. I can honestly say that I dieted my way to this weight - high carb, low fat; low carb, low fat, all veggie; high protein, NO carb - I really do believe I starved myself to the point I am now.
that's actually a logical thing to post about and not at all what the op was saying. What you're describing is how a lifetime of improper dieting damages your metabolism such that you get fat eating fewer calories than your thinner friends. Its unfortunate, but fixable. What the op is saying is that she's sick of people saying she ate too much because she ate low volume calorie dense junk to gain weight so its not like she ate too much.....0 -
I always thought I didnt eat that much until i started to log. Then, daaaaaaammmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
I'm totally with ya on this! You mean to tell me that delicious little piece of brownie is 300 cals?!?! Here's to education through logging :drinker:0 -
I always thought I didnt eat that much until i started to log. Then, daaaaaaammmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
I'm totally with ya on this! You mean to tell me that delicious little piece of brownie is 300 cals?!?! Here's to education through logging :drinker:
tell me about it, when i was bigger, i was like... i dont eat that much, something must be wrong with my thyroid!!! then i started logging... then i was like... ooohhhhhhhhhh, there was nothing wrong with me, i just eat $hitty...
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I always thought I didnt eat that much until i started to log. Then, daaaaaaammmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
I'm totally with ya on this! You mean to tell me that delicious little piece of brownie is 300 cals?!?! Here's to education through logging :drinker:
tell me about it, when i was bigger, i was like... i dont eat that much, something must be wrong with my thyroid!!! then i started logging... then i was like... ooohhhhhhhhhh, there was nothing wrong with me, i just eat $hitty...
I remember quite vividly the day I weighed out my first sensible dinner. I was like "wtf? THAT is two servings of beef?!?".
Damn straight I ate too much food!0 -
I got fat because I ate too much food.0
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To the OP, I know EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN! I could go out with friends and we could order the exact same thing and I would eat less of what was on my plate than they did, but I'm still larger than they are. I can honestly say that I dieted my way to this weight - high carb, low fat; low carb, low fat, all veggie; high protein, NO carb - I really do believe I starved myself to the point I am now.
that's actually a logical thing to post about and not at all what the op was saying. What you're describing is how a lifetime of improper dieting damages your metabolism such that you get fat eating fewer calories than your thinner friends. Its unfortunate, but fixable. What the op is saying is that she's sick of people saying she ate too much because she ate low volume calorie dense junk to gain weight so its not like she ate too much.....
Or her thinner friends actually do eat less, as they snack less throughout the day or late at night. Or her thinner friends are more generally active than she was. Could be any number of things other than metabolic damage.0 -
When people say someone "eats too much" they really mean they "eat too much junk". So, someone eats a pound of food a day. Is it a pound of celery or a pound of chocolate?0
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I always thought I didnt eat that much until i started to log. Then, daaaaaaammmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
I'm totally with ya on this! You mean to tell me that delicious little piece of brownie is 300 cals?!?! Here's to education through logging :drinker:
tell me about it, when i was bigger, i was like... i dont eat that much, something must be wrong with my thyroid!!! then i started logging... then i was like... ooohhhhhhhhhh, there was nothing wrong with me, i just eat $hitty...
i can defo vouch for this, before i logged what i ate and became aware of how many calories are in things i would snack on, i thought i ate pretty healthily before. but when you do start to log, you start to educate yourself and suddenly you think twice about casually picking up that mars bar at the counter to snack on for no good reason, or drink 4 pints down the pub on a friday night, or just grabbing a KFC cos you cant be arsed to cook etc etc0 -
Pet peeve: using medical problems as an excuse
At the beginning of my weight loss journey i was
1. In a wheel chair
2. Had a heart condition that prevented me from doing cardio
Now :
3. Currently have a thyroid problem
4. Currently have an ostomy bag
Guess how i lost weight???? Moved more and ate better... it works for EVERYONE stop making excuses!
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OK, I THINK WHAT SHE MEANS IS...
i can eat a bag of flaming hot cheetos, and that comes out to about 1800 calories... thats basically my maintenance. anything over without exercise, ill gain, so, it i eat a bag of flaming hot cheetos and a 6 pack of beer (my usual saturday "back then") i would be at a surplus...
this, vs...
1500 calories of lean meats, veggies, fruits, etc, which actually comes out to a hell of alot of food for the low amount of calories...
so, i think what she is saying, is, many people got fat off of too many calories, (even tho the amount of food may have not been much, ie: bag of flaming hot cheetos vs. same size bag of no butter popcorn) and now, when attempting to eat healthy, they are able to get full at lower calories since the food they are eating is more in quantity and less in calories...
i dont know if i make sense, but i get the "gist" of what she is saying...
No. What she is trying to say, which I didn't get until the second post, she is trying to do is defend the "I can't eat 1200 calories" posts. She is promoting VCLD because she has hypothyroidism and its the only way she has managed to lose weight.
Nice trolling, OP. Make a confusing post with your point hidden within and then you can feel superior because no one knows what the hell you are talking about.0 -
most of this missed what I was on about which is why I'm largely leaving it alone but I just had to clarify:
I'm NOT defending or explaining VLCD. I'm questioning an assumption that I have read repeatedly on here that the only way to get fat is to eat a lot of food, and the result of people being attacked when they switch to a restricted calorie (MFP or TDEE - ) diet and think (due to media or whatever having an influence) that the lower their intake the better, so mentally and sometimes physically struggling to physically reach a calorie limit - and post that on here.0 -
most of this missed what I was on about which is why I'm largely leaving it alone but I just had to clarify:
I'm NOT defending or explaining VLCD. I'm questioning an assumption that I have read repeatedly on here that the only way to get fat is to eat a lot of food, and the result of people being attacked when they switch to a restricted calorie (MFP or TDEE - ) diet and think (due to media or whatever having an influence) that the lower their intake the better, so mentally and sometimes physically struggling to physically reach a calorie limit - and post that on here.
Except people don't say that. They say the only way to get fat is to take in more calories than you expend. Because of the laws of physics.
People are reacting negatively to your big straw man argument. Because it makes no sense!0 -
Lmao...I can't even.
Losing and gaining weight is a science, and it all comes down to calories. Yes, you were eating too many calories, and the only way to get fat is to eat a lot of food ie more than your body needs. This post is ridiculous.0 -
Wrong. You're fat because you eat too much food.0
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I'm questioning an assumption that I have read repeatedly on here that the only way to get fat is to eat a lot of food, and the result of people being attacked when they switch to a restricted calorie (MFP or TDEE - ) diet and think (due to media or whatever having an influence) that the lower their intake the better, so mentally and sometimes physically struggling to physically reach a calorie limit - and post that on here.
The only way to get fat is to eat more food than you need, and anyone who thinks "the lower the better" is an idiot.0 -
That's fine, if people haven't heard that then it's not as big an issue as I thought, which is a good thing. I've heard and read it a LOT and it pisses me off, and I (obviously incorrectly) figured other people would get it. Actually, not totally incorrectly, as others in here HAVE got it, but still.
People have misinterpreted and gone on tangents - this is the internet and that happens. Don't really care. Wouldn't have chimed back in except to clarify a couple things that I don't want to be accused of promoting because I don't believe in them.
Miscommunication, miswording of a legit concern on my part ....whatever. Storm in a teacup and I couldn't really care less about peoples interpretations of it and writing me off as an idiot or whatever, I know where I was coming from and I've spoken about it with people before.
Differing opinions make the world go round and clearly there are many of those here... we all know how we got fat and what we changed to get thin again, so hey.0 -
That's fine, if people haven't heard that then it's not as big an issue as I thought, which is a good thing. I've heard and read it a LOT and it pisses me off, and I (obviously incorrectly) figured other people would get it. Actually, not totally incorrectly, as others in here HAVE got it, but still.
People have misinterpreted and gone on tangents - this is the internet and that happens. Don't really care. Wouldn't have chimed back in except to clarify a couple things that I don't want to be accused of promoting because I don't believe in them.
Miscommunication, miswording of a legit concern on my part ....whatever. Storm in a teacup and I couldn't really care less about peoples interpretations of it and writing me off as an idiot or whatever, I know where I was coming from and I've spoken about it with people before.
Differing opinions make the world go round and clearly there are many of those here... we all know how we got fat and what we changed to get thin again, so hey.
You got overweight because you ate too much food.
U mad?0 -
That's fine, if people haven't heard that then it's not as big an issue as I thought, which is a good thing. I've heard and read it a LOT and it pisses me off, and I (obviously incorrectly) figured other people would get it. Actually, not totally incorrectly, as others in here HAVE got it, but still.
People have misinterpreted and gone on tangents - this is the internet and that happens. Don't really care. Wouldn't have chimed back in except to clarify a couple things that I don't want to be accused of promoting because I don't believe in them.
Miscommunication, miswording of a legit concern on my part ....whatever. Storm in a teacup and I couldn't really care less about peoples interpretations of it and writing me off as an idiot or whatever, I know where I was coming from and I've spoken about it with people before.
Differing opinions make the world go round and clearly there are many of those here... we all know how we got fat and what we changed to get thin again, so hey.
You got overweight because you ate too much food.
U mad?
She madd0 -
That's fine, if people haven't heard that then it's not as big an issue as I thought, which is a good thing. I've heard and read it a LOT and it pisses me off, and I (obviously incorrectly) figured other people would get it. Actually, not totally incorrectly, as others in here HAVE got it, but still.
People have misinterpreted and gone on tangents - this is the internet and that happens. Don't really care. Wouldn't have chimed back in except to clarify a couple things that I don't want to be accused of promoting because I don't believe in them.
Miscommunication, miswording of a legit concern on my part ....whatever. Storm in a teacup and I couldn't really care less about peoples interpretations of it and writing me off as an idiot or whatever, I know where I was coming from and I've spoken about it with people before.
Differing opinions make the world go round and clearly there are many of those here... we all know how we got fat and what we changed to get thin again, so hey.
For some strange reason, I have a sneaking suspicion you just did not understand what you read, due to errors in deductive and/or inductive reasoning.
Oh wait, I got it! It's because this forum is part of my fitness pal, a program designed around COUNTING CALORIES. It's therefore QUITE PROBABLE that most of the advice here regarding weight loss will involve DETERMINING THE PROPER AMOUNT OF CLAORIES IN YOUR FOOD AND EATING ACCORDINGLY TO REACH YOUR GOALS.0 -
This is the strangest thread I've read today. Congratulations, OP.0
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I'm not fat i'm just big boned0
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I, too, think the OP implied VOLUME - eating a large amount of 'food' does not necessarily automatically equal large amount of calories.
You can eat smaller VOLUME, and still consume a TON of calories. Milkshakes, an easy way to get in over 1000 calories in a glass - vs drinking water - same VOLUME - guaranteed if you have 3 milkshakes a day vs 3 large glasses of water, you're bound to gain weight, and that's just ONE example. Add in mayo laden, cheese laden, butter laden anything, and you've got calorie dense foods that pack on the pounds, with small volume.
Anyhow - we could use a thousand examples here, I get what the OP was implying, and agree 100%. I've eaten both ways, calorie dense, and non calorie dense, same amount of food by volume, and lost weight one way, gained it the other. Pretty simple if you ask me.
I agree and I think this probably arose in response to people telling others that since they are fat enough to need to lose weight, they should have no trouble shoveling enough healthy food in their gullet to make their calorie goal for the day. Some people got fat by eating four candy bars and a take way meal with a giant pop everyday while skipping the rest of their meals. It takes some adjustment for those people to get used to eating more times a day and eating enough volume of healthier foods to hit calorie goals.
Not that I think for one minute that it can't be done. It just requires some discipline and learning to listen to all of the body's hunger cues.0 -
ahem. I never referenced morality. Just because a word has been used in a religious/moral context, doesn't mean it doesn't have a valid basis - as defined by merriam webster:
Definition of GLUTTONY
1
: excess in eating or drinking
2
: greedy or excessive indulgence
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gluttony
And seriously? this is getting - or rather has gotten for some time - way out of hand. :noway: people talking about "Stop making Excuses" and this kind of argument are really pointless. No one is making excuses - not that I have seen. This is just crazy - just because someone says "simply eating a ton of food is not what made me fat, eating too much of the wrong kind of food did" all of a sudden, the 'holier than thou crowd' has to come out attacking such a simple fact. I swear, some people have nothing better to do than to stir the pot and pick a fight. Bullies abound... :drinker:
Please see bolded, you said it yourself, too much food.0 -
I, too, think the OP implied VOLUME - eating a large amount of 'food' does not necessarily automatically equal large amount of calories.
You can eat smaller VOLUME, and still consume a TON of calories. Milkshakes, an easy way to get in over 1000 calories in a glass - vs drinking water - same VOLUME - guaranteed if you have 3 milkshakes a day vs 3 large glasses of water, you're bound to gain weight, and that's just ONE example. Add in mayo laden, cheese laden, butter laden anything, and you've got calorie dense foods that pack on the pounds, with small volume.
Anyhow - we could use a thousand examples here, I get what the OP was implying, and agree 100%. I've eaten both ways, calorie dense, and non calorie dense, same amount of food by volume, and lost weight one way, gained it the other. Pretty simple if you ask me.
I agree and I think this probably arose in response to people telling others that since they are fat enough to need to lose weight, they should have no trouble shoveling enough healthy food in their gullet to make their calorie goal for the day. Some people got fat by eating four candy bars and a take way meal with a giant pop everyday while skipping the rest of their meals. It takes some adjustment for those people to get used to eating more times a day and eating enough volume of healthier foods to hit calorie goals.
Not that I think for one minute that it can't be done. It just requires some discipline and learning to listen to all of the body's hunger cues.
You don't have to eat massive volumes of "clean food". This is just more BS from the "clean eating" crowd.
I have yet to see a definition for clean food that actually holds up to scrutiny.0 -
I like the, "I ruined my metabolism by dieting..."0
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ahem. I never referenced morality. Just because a word has been used in a religious/moral context, doesn't mean it doesn't have a valid basis - as defined by merriam webster:
Definition of GLUTTONY
1
: excess in eating or drinking
2
: greedy or excessive indulgence
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gluttony
And seriously? this is getting - or rather has gotten for some time - way out of hand. :noway: people talking about "Stop making Excuses" and this kind of argument are really pointless. No one is making excuses - not that I have seen. This is just crazy - just because someone says "simply eating a ton of food is not what made me fat, eating too much of the wrong kind of food did" all of a sudden, the 'holier than thou crowd' has to come out attacking such a simple fact. I swear, some people have nothing better to do than to stir the pot and pick a fight. Bullies abound... :drinker:
Please see bolded, you said it yourself, too much food.
Still think you're missing the point. at least my point. I've had people give me big eyes and "OMG are you going to eat ALL THAT??" when I sit in front of a massive salad, filled with various veggies, maybe a chopped apple and some chicken. My response is 'HELL YES!" calories? eh - let's say probably around 400 ish depending on varying ingredients. I'm not a clean eating nazi by any stretch, however, I DO know that veggies, fruit, and lean meats, are less calorie dense than some of the fast food options, so yeah, if I am hungry and am watching calories, I'll opt for a large salad filled with various yummy things to fill me up without blowing my calories for the day.
And personally, I HAVE seen the looks, heard the comments, know what SOME people think, when they look at a fat person. They truly do visualize massive amounts of junk food being consumed by said person. My comment above, was taken a bit out of context - when I said 'too much of the wrong kind of food' I meant in an average diet, consuming too many fast food meals for example - to blow out my calories for the given day or days. That is not the same as saying someone sat down to 4 supersize quarter pounder meals (or even 2) 2-3 times a day - and yet this is what SOME people envision when they see an overweight person.
From my own perspective, until I started logging here (as many others have said!) many people have no concept of the calorie content of food. Having a large shake, a bacon double cheeseburger, and fries, can blow your calories for the day. I wouldn't consider that a LARGE volume of food - at least not a Crazy large amount. Not all fat people are downing fast food meals 3 times a day plus massive amounts of candy bars and bags of chips. Yet there are people out there who will look at a fat person and assume that is what they are doing. Again, if a person eats a normal diet, all but for a large milkshake every day, that would gain them 1 lb per week- 52 lbs in a year, over 100 lbs in 2 years. to say that they ate too much food would be rather silly, in that circumstance. They didn't, they had an over abundance of calories for their expenditure. Anyhow - I think in a way, we are all saying the same thing, and at the end of the day, agree, but for one thing. That is, that some people seem to think that because THEY don't look at people thinking that they are sitting down eating massive amounts of junk food causing them to be fat, that NO one thinks that. Biggest problem in this thread is tunnel vision and people assuming that their thought patterns are the only ones experienced by the rest of the world. I accept that there are both sides to the view, and that there are people on both sides with both trains of thought, and that comments are made by people who are thin, but have no concept of calories in/calories out, because they haven't had to worry about it. Those people, will judge based on what they think they know, which turns out to be not much. But they judge nonetheless.0
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