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It just means based on the knowledge that we have now, that is what I will base my conclusion on. Not on what may or could be, what is currently known. The great thing about science is it will evolve and conclusions can change. But based on what is known at the moment, my conclusion i believe to be based on facts and not speculation.
I tend to put more faith in the possibilities of what we don't know than the small collection of things we think we know and can currently prove based on it. It isn't dismissive of science, but exactly what keeps true science moving forward. That is, never being comfortable and confident in facts beyond what they currently show, and always working to question that and find the next level of understanding. Theory works like this, which is based on some of the things we know, we will in others with faith that certain other facts could, should, would align to something.
People tend to look for comfort in both side of it really, with neither gaining much by doing so. It is more to give meaning to their existence and this part of life, more than the unknown of what is next.
I agree. All I'm saying that I don't claim to know something that I don't. It doesn't mean I don't speculate and love to explore what could be, but I hesitate to definitely say I know something to be true on what has yet to be proven so. To me it's different conversations. Both of which are fine to me. Things that you believe to be true based on given evidence, and the separate conversation of things you would like to explore and or prove but as of yet have not.1 -
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I would never go to a place like that...I know my limits.
My sis in law and HER wife have two boys. One born from each.
Very few things can upset me greatly...they are awesome and my nephews are awesome!
That's an area that could get me angry.
Wanna call them a bad name when I'm around? You are going to have a big problem.
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Not sure what your rant is about.
My daughter and I did not go to Westboro Baptist Church and protest. We went to a local church that THEY were protesting when a funeral for a Veteran was being held.0 -
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Bullet_with_Butterfly_Wings wrote: »It just means based on the knowledge that we have now, that is what I will base my conclusion on. Not on what may or could be, what is currently known. The great thing about science is it will evolve and conclusions can change. But based on what is known at the moment, my conclusion i believe to be based on facts and not speculation.
I tend to put more faith in the possibilities of what we don't know than the small collection of things we think we know and can currently prove based on it. It isn't dismissive of science, but exactly what keeps true science moving forward. That is, never being comfortable and confident in facts beyond what they currently show, and always working to question that and find the next level of understanding. Theory works like this, which is based on some of the things we know, we will in others with faith that certain other facts could, should, would align to something.
People tend to look for comfort in both side of it really, with neither gaining much by doing so. It is more to give meaning to their existence and this part of life, more than the unknown of what is next.
I agree, without blind faith in the unknown and unseen we wouldn't have the knowledge and technologies that we do today... light, x-rays, radio, just as examples. This blind faith breeds curiosity, and the more we learn the more we learn... Nikola Tesla for example, changed the face of life on earth as we know it in so many ways... sometimes you have to believe it to see it...
I don't think it's blind faith that leads to discovery. I think it's expanding knowledge and curiosity of what we know, or think we know. It's a progressive evolution that allows new discovery most times. Blind faith to me means you are hoping for something to be true despite and or having lack of evidence. I would believe that those with the ability to take credible proven avenues and apply them to unknown areas are the ones more likely to find new discoveries more so than someone wishing for it to be so.0 -
TheRoadDog wrote: »huntersvonnegut wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »Actually intrested to get an atheist view on life. Do you think when we expire that's it? What can your views on life possibly be if that's the case? I am very intrigued by this.
Didn't notice this before and it's 9 pages long as of this writing. Don't have the time to go through everyone else's comments but here goes. You ask what my views on life can possibly be if I expect the good times to end after I shuffle off this mortal coil. Sorry but sounds too much like something neurotic Woody Allen would have said. "What's the purpose of life if we're just going to die and that's it? That's exactly why I'm trying to squeeze as much as I can get out of life while I still have it. To quote Steve Goodman from, "You Better Get It While You Can",
Now one night I asked Carl where he got the fire
And he said, 'Steve, you've got to understand
If you want to be someone, you better have some fun
And you better get it while you can.'
He said:
You better get it while you can
You better get it while you can
If you wait too long, it'll all be gone
And you'll be sorry then
It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor
And it's the same for a woman or a man
From the cradle to the crypt
Is a mighty short trip
So you better get it while you can
Would I like it if there was an after(life) party? Sure, but I guess I'm able not to let knowledge of my mortality get in my way. I say this as someone much closer to the end than the beginning. As Heinlein wrote in Time Enough For Love, "There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?
I also hope to live my life so the Westboro Baptist Church wants to protest at my funeral.
My daughter and I actually attended a Westboro Baptist Church Rally. It was a hoot.
Not sure why they didn't like us.
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SuperOrganism2 wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »
Not sure what your rant is about.
My daughter and I did not go to Westboro Baptist Church and protest. We went to a local church that THEY were protesting when a funeral for a Veteran was being held.
Try reading?
Sorry. Read it wrong. Thought you were angry at my daughter and I. Hug it out?2 -
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Not in the least!
I'm admitting I don't have your self-discipline! I would be drawn into arguments which would easily just fuel their *kitten*.
The idea of protesting a funeral is beyond despicable to me. Mock the passage to and/or from life for people? What just deserves have you possibly got coming to you? They can't be good.
These guys...just smh.
Good job.
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I went to support my daughter. She was very disturbed that they would protest a Veteran's funeral. I was a Marine so, of course, I was all in. They protested in front of the Church. Walking in a circle. Clockwise. I entered the circle and walked counterclockwise, herfing on the biggest cigar I have.
I really was hoping for a confrontation, but what I saw saddened me rather than made me mad. The elders of the Westboro Baptist Church dropped the younger kids and teens off and made them march while they waited down the street in a couple of buses. Those kids are victims of their upbringing; not someone to attack. I feel very sorry for them. I hope, like all cults, it will run its course and dissolve.
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huntersvonnegut wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »huntersvonnegut wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »Actually intrested to get an atheist view on life. Do you think when we expire that's it? What can your views on life possibly be if that's the case? I am very intrigued by this.
Didn't notice this before and it's 9 pages long as of this writing. Don't have the time to go through everyone else's comments but here goes. You ask what my views on life can possibly be if I expect the good times to end after I shuffle off this mortal coil. Sorry but sounds too much like something neurotic Woody Allen would have said. "What's the purpose of life if we're just going to die and that's it? That's exactly why I'm trying to squeeze as much as I can get out of life while I still have it. To quote Steve Goodman from, "You Better Get It While You Can",
Now one night I asked Carl where he got the fire
And he said, 'Steve, you've got to understand
If you want to be someone, you better have some fun
And you better get it while you can.'
He said:
You better get it while you can
You better get it while you can
If you wait too long, it'll all be gone
And you'll be sorry then
It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor
And it's the same for a woman or a man
From the cradle to the crypt
Is a mighty short trip
So you better get it while you can
Would I like it if there was an after(life) party? Sure, but I guess I'm able not to let knowledge of my mortality get in my way. I say this as someone much closer to the end than the beginning. As Heinlein wrote in Time Enough For Love, "There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?
I also hope to live my life so the Westboro Baptist Church wants to protest at my funeral.
My daughter and I actually attended a Westboro Baptist Church Rally. It was a hoot.
Not sure why they didn't like us.
Outstanding, Red Team, outstanding! Get you a case of beer for that one.
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Wow !!
I've read every post in this thread and my beliefs have been totally changed!
... or not.
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Question for anyone:
What movie or series would you recommend to learn about the life of Jesus (starting at birth) with as much detail/accuracy as possible? (Under 3 hours?)
(This is not a religious debate.)1 -
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_barefoot_ wrote: »aChuisle_moChroi wrote: »Question for anyone:
What movie or series would you recommend to learn about the life of Jesus (starting at birth) with as much detail/accuracy as possible? (Under 3 hours?)
(This is not a religious debate.)
In my opinion this is the best movie out there
Here you go ...
Jesus Of Nazareth (Full Movie)1977
https://youtu.be/50IiF1rTTGQ
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Have you watched the Invention of Lying? If not it makes for interesting conversation along these lines.1
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Don't go to KnowhereThanos knows you're coming. It's a trap!1
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_barefoot_ wrote: »No one has said why they don't believe ...
Is there a reason to why you don't want to believe .
Are you mad at God ?
Do you feel you are not worth is love ?
10 pages later.....
I have actually tried to believe, and I was raised to. But, I got derailed when I was about 8 because I didn't understand why dinosaurs aren't in the bible (I was pretty obsessed with dinosaurs when I was little). I tried to revisit it as an adult, and I just have no faith that there is some greater power out there. Its not based out of anger, or feeling unworthy. Its just a lack of proof for me. And I just can't put faith in something I have not proof of.3 -
I don't really feel like I have a huge purpose in life, but I do feel like I can try to make the world a bit better. I can try to impart good morals on my son so the next generation can be just a bit better. I can keep working in the effort to better understand the diseases we work with. I may not make a super huge breakthrough, but every little bit adds up and eventually life altering discoveries get made from them. And as many others have said, I just want to enjoy my part of the ride!4
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laprimaJenny wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »_barefoot_ wrote: »No one has said why they don't believe ...
Is there a reason to why you don't want to believe .
Are you mad at God ?
Do you feel you are not worth is love ?
10 pages later.....
I have actually tried to believe, and I was raised to. But, I got derailed when I was about 8 because I didn't understand why dinosaurs aren't in the bible (I was pretty obsessed with dinosaurs when I was little). I tried to revisit it as an adult, and I just have no faith that there is some greater power out there. Its not based out of anger, or feeling unworthy. Its just a lack of proof for me. And I just can't put faith in something I have not proof of.
I hear people say things like this all the time but I can’t fully grasp it. When you chose to love another human being, your putting faith into that person without proof or evidence that they will treat you right! I’m not arguing that you should believe. Rather im just expressing that I don’t fully understand how someone can trust a human, that is in essence faulty and likely to hurt you. Yet, not even attempt to trust God who supposedly is perfect.
That is an interesting perspective I never thought about.
For me, personally, trusting someone is a very deliberate decision. For me, trusting someone does not really mean I think they will never hurt me. I just choose to go forward with whatever kind of relationship we have, and hope they will not try to intentionally hurt me. I don't really trust new people, at least not in a significant way, it takes me a while to build that with someone.
Very casual relationships though, I just choose to hope things will turn out ok for sanity sake. But I am always trying to look out for myself. Stay on guard when I am in public in case there is a "bad guy" out there. I am a pretty defensive driver and don't trust other people to not be idiots. I don't disclose much to people I don't know well.2 -
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_barefoot_ wrote: »I can only go by my own experience with God and I would even go as far as saying ..
If someone had a gun to my head and ask me if I was a christian and if I said yes he would kill me .
I would say Yes in a heart beat . I would lay down my life for God .
Ooh, hypotheticals. What if the gun was held to someone else's head?
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