Do we go nowhere ?

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  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
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    besaro wrote: »
    seriously? what is the purpose of life if there is nothing else after. the question answers itself. I don't believe in god/s and I don't know what happens after this trip (neither do you) so I choose to live this life to the fullest.
    Tomorrow will take care of itself.
    ~Matthew 6:34

    “All men want, not something to do with, but something to do, or rather something to be.”
    ― Henry David Thoreau

    Big talk from some guy living by a stupid pond.

    Sticks and stone buddy...

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    Is that Kingman I see ?

    Seven Springs out past Cave Creek.

    Natch
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  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    Walden’s Pond was the first book where I argued out loud with the author. He’s still forcing me to re-think my base assumptions. Did we really need the railroad to tear across America? There are days I wonder.

    On one point Thoreau was dead wrong. Neck fuzz is not an attractive look on anyone.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/historicalfacialhair.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/henry-david-thoreau-and-the-neckbeard-mid-1800s/amp/
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  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    jgnatca wrote: »
    Walden’s Pond was the first book where I argued out loud with the author. He’s still forcing me to re-think my base assumptions.

    I read this in AP English, 7th grade. It was at the height of my Catholic RE classes. It (Transcendentalism) played a huge role in my NOT being confirmed. It lead me to other Philosophies, religions, and this life long journey I have been on with my own spiritualism. To this day I still go back to those books and read through.

    A personal favorite is still Ben Franklins work and writing on religion. He was about spiritualism, but not about doctrine.
  • Shannongr29
    Shannongr29 Posts: 1,809 Member
    besaro wrote: »
    seriously? what is the purpose of life if there is nothing else after. the question answers itself. I don't believe in god/s and I don't know what happens after this trip (neither do you) so I choose to live this life to the fullest.
    Tomorrow will take care of itself.
    ~Matthew 6:34

    Going back to the original question and the user I quoted above:
    I also don’t believe in god/gods and I’m a big believer of the idea that we only die once. But my view is that I don’t think there IS any big meaning to life anyway; We each have to make our own meaning.
    In light of this, some of us choose to make our own individual meanings while others choose to group together with other people and to “create” a religion to give a common meaning to their lives.
    I don’t think either way is right or wrong, but there are certainly a lot of proven drawbacks to society when it comes to organized religion.
  • urloved33
    urloved33 Posts: 3,323 Member
    edited May 2018
    satan is not "even" w Christ. command satan to leave in jesus name...and he has to. I think the bible should really be studied a bit more before we all start...sayin stuff lol.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    sgreer29 wrote: »
    ...some of us choose to make our own individual meanings while others choose to group together with other people and to “create” a religion to give a common meaning to their lives.
    I don’t think either way is right or wrong, but there are certainly a lot of proven drawbacks to society when it comes to organized religion.

    "Thanks"
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  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    urloved33 wrote: »
    satan is not "even" w Christ. command satan to leave in jesus name...and he has to. I think the bible should really be studied a bit more before we all start...sayin stuff lol.

    But what of the Bible do you take literally and what do you take as metaphor/teaching story?
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  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    quote]Doesn't He govern free-will?

    That is always the sticky point for me.
    • If you believe in one omnipotent being, then you believe God gave us free will.
    • If you are not free to make every choice without anything predetermined, you do not have free will and you have a contradiction.

    Also then, you must fully except that there is no fate.
    • With free will as described above, God would not know everything because he could not know your choices, so God doesn't know everything, which contradicts things.

    And things continue to break down from there.

  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    quote]Doesn't He govern free-will?

    That is always the sticky point for me.
    • If you believe in one omnipotent being, then you believe God gave us free will.
    • If you are not free to make every choice without anything predetermined, you do not have free will and you have a contradiction.

    Also then, you must fully except that there is no fate.
    • With free will as described above, God would not know everything because he could not know your choices, so God doesn't know everything, which contradicts things.

    And things continue to break down from there.

    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    quote]Doesn't He govern free-will?

    That is always the sticky point for me.
    • If you believe in one omnipotent being, then you believe God gave us free will.
    • If you are not free to make every choice without anything predetermined, you do not have free will and you have a contradiction.

    Also then, you must fully except that there is no fate.
    • With free will as described above, God would not know everything because he could not know your choices, so God doesn't know everything, which contradicts things.

    And things continue to break down from there.

    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    It was Angels in the Outfield.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

    I've been there.

    Merely sucking would have been an improvement.

    It was like airplane food served by prostitutes.

    ( With apologies to prostitutes )
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

    I've been there.

    Merely sucking would have been an improvement.

    It was like airplane food served by prostitutes.

    ( With apologies to prostitutes )

    Ughhh, WTF happened. They were so good for so long and they just suck now. Even Buffalo wild Wings is better anymore and that place drives me nuts. I'll stick with my Oregano's medium golds with blue cheese.
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

    I've been there.

    Merely sucking would have been an improvement.

    It was like airplane food served by prostitutes.

    ( With apologies to prostitutes )

    Ughhh, WTF happened. They were so good for so long and they just suck now. Even Buffalo wild Wings is better anymore and that place drives me nuts. I'll stick with my Oregano's medium golds with blue cheese.

    Oregano's works for sure; it's hard to go wrong there.

    Zipps does okay by me too.
    The one at Arrowhead is good sized and always seems to deliver.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    Zipps does okay by me too.
    The one at Arrowhead is good sized and always seems to deliver.

    Nephew manages a Zipps.
    They are good.
    I just hit Rock Bottom by Arrowhead.

  • _pi3_
    _pi3_ Posts: 2,311 Member
    I'm kinda living til I die. With hopes I don't suffer too much in between.
  • _pi3_
    _pi3_ Posts: 2,311 Member
    So what's the point in living if that's your opinion?

    Repopulate I guess. I’m not so deep that I need a point to live for. I’m just here trying to enjoy it while I can.

    That's kinda like what I always thought was the point of everybody else's existence
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  • Annalee82_
    Annalee82_ Posts: 320 Member
    I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche -Thus Spoke Zarathustra

    I will see myself out now..
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  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    Don’t dismiss the power of story. Even if everyone is in on the joke. Myths, heroes and a divine plan are full of unforgettable imagery which become part of a culture’s ethos.
  • Annalee82_
    Annalee82_ Posts: 320 Member
    I don't believe in God, but the majority of people in my family are very religious. I think it's probably a very comforting, peaceful thing to actually have that faith in something. I envy them for that.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    jgnatca wrote: »
    Don’t dismiss the power of story. Even if everyone is in on the joke. Myths, heroes and a divine plan are full of unforgettable imagery which become part of a culture’s ethos.

    Hmmm...
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