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stevencloser wrote: »Until I read multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that unicorns don't exist, I'll keep steadily believing in them and hiking through the forests daily to find one and become the prettiest princess.
Go for it. Fresh air, exercise, certainly sounds like a healthier choice than eating Doritos
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janejellyroll wrote: »My husband hates anchovies, your son hates "artificial candy." This doesn't tell us anything about the inherent value of these foods. It simply tells us what not to serve these individuals. I also understand that some people find it difficult to enjoy other foods if they eat a lot of "junk food." You were in this group. This tells us something about you, but it doesn't mean that other people (who are capable of enjoying potato chips and baked potatoes, donuts and oatmeal) need to pay attention to the categories you've created.
Yep.
I'll note that invariably I find that people who claim to not be able to appreciate non junk food when eating junk food* are not so much people who ate too much junk food (although probably that too) as people who have not been exposed sufficiently to other foods. I always found the claim pretty weird, since I never found that drinking soda (diet mostly) or eating sweets affected my palate for other things, and this could be just an individual difference, but almost always people who say that turn out to be people who really ate quite poor diets (and few fruits and veg) until recently, and so they needed to really wean off that stuff to even have the patience to work on expanding their palates. Others in similar situations seem to have been able to work on expanding and to do so without a dramatic change. It is true that often palates change between childhood and adulthood, so if one doesn't get exposed to different kinds of foods that might not happen (I like lots of foods that I did not as a kid, when I was disgusted by far more things, disliked spicy and some other strong flavors, etc., and I tend to dislike super sweet in a way I didn't as much back then (although even as a kid I hated some extra sweet things -- just personal taste, not meaningful, as you note)). It's also true that how much salt you consume affects the palate and that many new flavors (such as new vegetables) may need to be introduced multiple times to take.
I found it interesting that the same poster lecturing us about eating naturally admitted upthread that she doesn't really care for vegetables and fruit (if memory serves) but eats it for health reasons. Maybe that's related to this fear that if people didn't adopt rigid categories they'd eat poorly, she doesn't understand that many of us eat a variety of things (including vegetables and fruit) just because we enjoy them, as well as because of a desire to eat an overall balanced, nutrient-dense diet.
*Junk food is kind of a problematic term here anyway, as the poster has said she's good with homemade sweets, and I wouldn't call a homemade donut less "junk food" than a purchased one.12 -
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nettiklive wrote: »Because there isn't evidence DISproving harm either.
If I had read multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that absolutely no ill effects were shown in individuals consuming significant amounts of xyz additive on a regular basis over their lifetimes, I may believe it.
Until then, I will remain skeptical and critical...
Show me multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that absolutely no ill effects were shown in individuals consuming significant amounts of organically raised cruciferous vegetables on a regular basis over their lifetimes. Also, please provide same for grass-fed beef, free range chickens and fresh fruits. Thanks, I'll be waiting right here for the links. Because obviously they're out there in plenitude, since you'll only believe something if it lives up to that burden of evidence.22 -
stevencloser wrote: »Until I read multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that unicorns don't exist, I'll keep steadily believing in them and hiking through the forests daily to find one and become the prettiest princess.
When you find her you can have her over for tea -- poured from Russell's Teapot6 -
Well this was certainly an eye opener.
Just to be clear - when I said "natural" vs "unnatural" - I meant if calories are equal and I'm meeting my macros.
As in getting my carbs/protein/fats from a McD's burger versus getting it from Home made burger. Some call that "junk" and homemade "natural". As if- we can't put the "junk" in homemade burger.
I thought it was self explanatory considering I posted this in Health and Fitness section instead of weight loss where newbies are-who are still learning.
It was protein bars -one was cliff and other was costco brand and I ate costco brand because it had more protein and fiber and it allowed me to hit my macros verus Cliff bar which had very low protein and fiber but sugar was high and 50 extra calories versus costco.
So she was like the sugar in Cliff bar is "natural" versus Costco has "chemicals and unnatural ingredients" .
That's why I was asking the knowledgeable audience -if there was a difference between those two lol
I guess, I just shaved off few mins off of my life /sarcasm
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Well this was certainly an eye opener.
Just to be clear - when I said "natural" vs "unnatural" - I meant if calories are equal and I'm meeting my macros.
As in getting my carbs/protein/fats from a McD's burger versus getting it from Home made burger. Some call that "junk" and homemade "natural". As if- we can't put the "junk" in homemade burger.
I thought it was self explanatory considering I posted this in Health and Fitness section instead of weight loss where newbies are-who are still learning.
It was protein bars -one was cliff and other was costco brand and I ate costco brand because it had more protein and fiber and it allowed me to hit my macros verus Cliff bar which had very low protein and fiber but sugar was high and 50 extra calories versus costco.
So she was like the sugar in Cliff bar is "natural" versus Costco has "chemicals and unnatural ingredients" .
That's why I was asking the knowledgeable audience -if there was a difference between those two lol
I guess, I just shaved off few mins off of my life /sarcasm
Soooo...yeah. Specificity is the soul of narrative. You can't complain about not getting an answer to the question you didn't ask. Instead, you didn't come back to your thread for a while and it got hijacked by a militant mommy-blogger. Happens to everyone,
Since you didn't mention the protein/snack bars before...I'll take a crack at that one. If the Costco protein bar fit your calorie and macro goals better, that's what you should eat. There's no bonus points for eating the Cliff bar because of "natural" ingredients, but they're great if you need energy like on a hike because of the higher sugar and overall calories.
You can read the many previous pages for the various arguments about GRAS food additives, but the consensus for a large number of people here is that in a normal context such things are a non-problem. A large number of the people saying they're a non-problem actually eat a diet made up of mostly whole foods, but have no problem with having more processed foods in reasonable portions. If a person says there's something harmful, but has nothing to offer but vague appeals to nature or reductive arguments and declines to offer proof, what does that tell you?
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nettiklive wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Until I read multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that unicorns don't exist, I'll keep steadily believing in them and hiking through the forests daily to find one and become the prettiest princess.
Go for it. Fresh air, exercise, certainly sounds like a healthier choice than eating Doritos
I don't see anything scary.
You think the food colours are scary?
https://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/FoodAdditivesIngredients/ucm488219.htm
What are color additives and why are they used in food?
A color additive is any substance that imparts color to a food, drug, cosmetic, or to the human body. Color additives include both synthetic substances and substances derived from natural sources. Color additives may be used in food to enhance natural colors, add color to colorless and ‘fun’ foods such as cake decorations, and help identify flavors (such as purple for grape flavor or yellow for lemon). Color additives are sometimes called food dyes.
Are color additives safe to eat?
Yes, color additives are safe when they are used in accordance with with FDA regulations. When the FDA approves the use of a color additive in food, our regulations specify:
the types of foods in which it can be used,
any maximum amounts allowed to be used, and
how the color additive should be identified on the food label.
Do all color additives need to be approved by the FDA before they can be used in foods?
Yes. Under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act,all color additives and new uses for listed color additives must be approved by the FDA before they may be used in foods. A full listing of all approved color additives is available in the Summary of Color Additives for Use in the United States in Foods, Drugs, Cosmetics, and Medical Devices.
What criteria does the FDA review when evaluating the safety of a color additive?
When evaluating the safety of a new color additive or a new use for a listed color additive, the FDA considers several factors. These include the short and long-term effects of consumption, composition and properties, manufacturing process, stability, likely amount of consumption/exposure, and the availability of analytical methods for determining its purity and the amount in food.
Synthetic color additives, also known as certified colors, are required to undergo batch certification, a process in which the FDA analyzes a representative sample of each batch of the color additive to ensure it meets the required identity and specifications before it can be used. Prior to certifying a batch, the FDA analyzes the chemical composition.
There are nine certified color additives approved by the FDA for use in food:
FD&C Blue No. 1
Confections, beverages, cereals, frozen dairy desserts, popsicles, frostings & icings
FD&C Blue No. 2
Baked goods, cereals, snack foods, ice cream, confections, and yogurt
FD&C Green No. 3
Cereal, ice cream, sherbet, drink mixers, and baked goods
Orange B
Only approved for use in hot dog and sausage casings
Citrus Red No. 2
Only approved for use to color orange peels
FD&C Red No. 3
Confections, beverages, cereals, ice cream cones, frozen dairy desserts, popsicles, frostings & icings
FD&C Red No. 40
Cereal, beverages, gelatins, puddings, dairy products, and confections
FD&C Yellow No. 5
Confections, cereals, snack foods, beverages, condiments, baked goods, and yogurt
FD&C Yellow No. 6
Cereals, snack foods, baked goods, gelatins, beverages, dessert powders, crackers, and sauces
What is the difference between a certified and an exempt color additive?
”Exempt” colors include pigments from natural sources such as vegetables, minerals, or animals. Examples include annatto extract (yellow), dehydrated beets (bluish-red to brown), caramel (yellow to tan), beta-carotene (yellow to orange) and grape skin extract (red, green). Although exempt color additives are not subject to batch certification requirements, they are still color additives and FDA must approve them before they can be used in foods.
Certified color additives are synthetic colorings that are used widely for intense, uniform color, and because they blend easily to create a variety of hues. These additives are classified as certified because they are required to undergo certification every time a new batch is manufactured.
How do I know whether color additives are in my food?
The FDA requires food manufacturers to list all ingredients on the label, with the ingredients used in the greatest amount first, followed in descending order by those in smaller amounts. The label must list the names of any FDA-certified color additive (e.g., FD&C Blue No. 1 or the abbreviated name, Blue 1). With the exception of carmine/cochineal extract, color additives exempt from certification can be listed collectively as “artificial colors,” “artificial color added,” “color added,” or equally informative terms, without naming each one. Because of potential allergic reactions in some people, carmine/cochineal extract are required to be identified by name on food labels.
Do color additives affect the behavior of children?
The FDA has reviewed and will continue to examine the effects of color additives on children’s behavior. The totality of scientific evidence indicates that most children have no adverse effects when consuming foods containing color additives, but some evidence suggests that certain children may be sensitive to them. The FDA will continue to evaluate emerging science to ensure the safety of color additives approved for use. Parents who wish to limit the amount of color additives in their children’s diet may check the food ingredient list on labels. Parents should also discuss any concerns with their family physician.
Should my family avoid color additives?
Color additives are safe when they are used in accordance with FDA regulations. If you choose to limit your intake of color additives or to avoid them altogether, you can identify whether they are in a product by reading the ingredients on the nutrition label.
If a problem were to arise with a color additive, what would the FDA do?
The FDA continually monitors reports of problems that may be related to color additives and takes action when necessary. The FDA can issue a warning letter to the manufacturer, detain products before they are shipped to stores, issue import alerts, or even seize products that are found to be unsafe or to contain color additives that are prohibited, misused, or not properly identified as ingredients. The FDA may also revoke or amend its regulations of current authorized uses as needed.
If you think that you have or your child has experienced an adverse reaction related to a color additive, you may report the reaction to your nearest FDA district office at www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/complain.html, or, report the problems to CFSAN’s Adverse Event Reporting System (CAERS) by phone at 301-436-2405 or email at CAERS@cfsan.fda.gov.
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Still think anything is scary about Doritos, despite billions of people eating them?
Report it to the FDA.
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...So she was like the sugar in Cliff bar is "natural" versus Costco has "chemicals and unnatural ingredients"...
Long story short - when somebody says something like that, nod your head, move on, and make a mental note to ignore everything they say regarding nutrition from that point forward. Because they're engaging in fearmongering, not fact.
Or maybe if you're in the mood for a little fun, show them these pictures (bonus points if you pick one of the scariest-sounding ingredients at random and ask them if they have any multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that absolutely no ill effects were shown in individuals consuming significant amounts of said ingredient):
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Well this was certainly an eye opener.
Just to be clear - when I said "natural" vs "unnatural" - I meant if calories are equal and I'm meeting my macros.
As in getting my carbs/protein/fats from a McD's burger versus getting it from Home made burger. Some call that "junk" and homemade "natural". As if- we can't put the "junk" in homemade burger.
I thought it was self explanatory considering I posted this in Health and Fitness section instead of weight loss where newbies are-who are still learning.
It was protein bars -one was cliff and other was costco brand and I ate costco brand because it had more protein and fiber and it allowed me to hit my macros verus Cliff bar which had very low protein and fiber but sugar was high and 50 extra calories versus costco.
So she was like the sugar in Cliff bar is "natural" versus Costco has "chemicals and unnatural ingredients" .
That's why I was asking the knowledgeable audience -if there was a difference between those two lol
I guess, I just shaved off few mins off of my life /sarcasm
Send him/her to the http://dhmo.org/ website and watch the fun begin.9 -
Well this was certainly an eye opener.
Just to be clear - when I said "natural" vs "unnatural" - I meant if calories are equal and I'm meeting my macros.
As in getting my carbs/protein/fats from a McD's burger versus getting it from Home made burger. Some call that "junk" and homemade "natural". As if- we can't put the "junk" in homemade burger.
I thought it was self explanatory considering I posted this in Health and Fitness section instead of weight loss where newbies are-who are still learning.
It was protein bars -one was cliff and other was costco brand and I ate costco brand because it had more protein and fiber and it allowed me to hit my macros verus Cliff bar which had very low protein and fiber but sugar was high and 50 extra calories versus costco.
So she was like the sugar in Cliff bar is "natural" versus Costco has "chemicals and unnatural ingredients" .
That's why I was asking the knowledgeable audience -if there was a difference between those two lol
I guess, I just shaved off few mins off of my life /sarcasm
Send him/her to the http://dhmo.org/ website and watch the fun begin.
Their FAQ is pure gold. That is scary sounding stuff indeed!
Excerpt:Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.14 -
nettiklive wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Until I read multiple large-scale independent longitudinal studies demonstrating clearly that unicorns don't exist, I'll keep steadily believing in them and hiking through the forests daily to find one and become the prettiest princess.
Go for it. Fresh air, exercise, certainly sounds like a healthier choice than eating Doritos
I don't see anything scary.
You think the food colours are scary?
https://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/FoodAdditivesIngredients/ucm488219.htm
What are color additives and why are they used in food?
A color additive is any substance that imparts color to a food, drug, cosmetic, or to the human body. Color additives include both synthetic substances and substances derived from natural sources. Color additives may be used in food to enhance natural colors, add color to colorless and ‘fun’ foods such as cake decorations, and help identify flavors (such as purple for grape flavor or yellow for lemon). Color additives are sometimes called food dyes.
Are color additives safe to eat?
Yes, color additives are safe when they are used in accordance with with FDA regulations. When the FDA approves the use of a color additive in food, our regulations specify:
the types of foods in which it can be used,
any maximum amounts allowed to be used, and
how the color additive should be identified on the food label.
Do all color additives need to be approved by the FDA before they can be used in foods?
Yes. Under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act,all color additives and new uses for listed color additives must be approved by the FDA before they may be used in foods. A full listing of all approved color additives is available in the Summary of Color Additives for Use in the United States in Foods, Drugs, Cosmetics, and Medical Devices.
What criteria does the FDA review when evaluating the safety of a color additive?
When evaluating the safety of a new color additive or a new use for a listed color additive, the FDA considers several factors. These include the short and long-term effects of consumption, composition and properties, manufacturing process, stability, likely amount of consumption/exposure, and the availability of analytical methods for determining its purity and the amount in food.
Synthetic color additives, also known as certified colors, are required to undergo batch certification, a process in which the FDA analyzes a representative sample of each batch of the color additive to ensure it meets the required identity and specifications before it can be used. Prior to certifying a batch, the FDA analyzes the chemical composition.
There are nine certified color additives approved by the FDA for use in food:
FD&C Blue No. 1
Confections, beverages, cereals, frozen dairy desserts, popsicles, frostings & icings
FD&C Blue No. 2
Baked goods, cereals, snack foods, ice cream, confections, and yogurt
FD&C Green No. 3
Cereal, ice cream, sherbet, drink mixers, and baked goods
Orange B
Only approved for use in hot dog and sausage casings
Citrus Red No. 2
Only approved for use to color orange peels
FD&C Red No. 3
Confections, beverages, cereals, ice cream cones, frozen dairy desserts, popsicles, frostings & icings
FD&C Red No. 40
Cereal, beverages, gelatins, puddings, dairy products, and confections
FD&C Yellow No. 5
Confections, cereals, snack foods, beverages, condiments, baked goods, and yogurt
FD&C Yellow No. 6
Cereals, snack foods, baked goods, gelatins, beverages, dessert powders, crackers, and sauces
What is the difference between a certified and an exempt color additive?
”Exempt” colors include pigments from natural sources such as vegetables, minerals, or animals. Examples include annatto extract (yellow), dehydrated beets (bluish-red to brown), caramel (yellow to tan), beta-carotene (yellow to orange) and grape skin extract (red, green). Although exempt color additives are not subject to batch certification requirements, they are still color additives and FDA must approve them before they can be used in foods.
Certified color additives are synthetic colorings that are used widely for intense, uniform color, and because they blend easily to create a variety of hues. These additives are classified as certified because they are required to undergo certification every time a new batch is manufactured.
How do I know whether color additives are in my food?
The FDA requires food manufacturers to list all ingredients on the label, with the ingredients used in the greatest amount first, followed in descending order by those in smaller amounts. The label must list the names of any FDA-certified color additive (e.g., FD&C Blue No. 1 or the abbreviated name, Blue 1). With the exception of carmine/cochineal extract, color additives exempt from certification can be listed collectively as “artificial colors,” “artificial color added,” “color added,” or equally informative terms, without naming each one. Because of potential allergic reactions in some people, carmine/cochineal extract are required to be identified by name on food labels.
Do color additives affect the behavior of children?
The FDA has reviewed and will continue to examine the effects of color additives on children’s behavior. The totality of scientific evidence indicates that most children have no adverse effects when consuming foods containing color additives, but some evidence suggests that certain children may be sensitive to them. The FDA will continue to evaluate emerging science to ensure the safety of color additives approved for use. Parents who wish to limit the amount of color additives in their children’s diet may check the food ingredient list on labels. Parents should also discuss any concerns with their family physician.
Should my family avoid color additives?
Color additives are safe when they are used in accordance with FDA regulations. If you choose to limit your intake of color additives or to avoid them altogether, you can identify whether they are in a product by reading the ingredients on the nutrition label.
If a problem were to arise with a color additive, what would the FDA do?
The FDA continually monitors reports of problems that may be related to color additives and takes action when necessary. The FDA can issue a warning letter to the manufacturer, detain products before they are shipped to stores, issue import alerts, or even seize products that are found to be unsafe or to contain color additives that are prohibited, misused, or not properly identified as ingredients. The FDA may also revoke or amend its regulations of current authorized uses as needed.
If you think that you have or your child has experienced an adverse reaction related to a color additive, you may report the reaction to your nearest FDA district office at www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/complain.html, or, report the problems to CFSAN’s Adverse Event Reporting System (CAERS) by phone at 301-436-2405 or email at CAERS@cfsan.fda.gov.
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Still think anything is scary about Doritos, despite billions of people eating them?
Report it to the FDA.
Thank god, someone in this **** show of a thread has a brain and understands food labeling, the FDA, and rules and regulations in the United States. Thank you15 -
Well this was certainly an eye opener.
Just to be clear - when I said "natural" vs "unnatural" - I meant if calories are equal and I'm meeting my macros.
As in getting my carbs/protein/fats from a McD's burger versus getting it from Home made burger. Some call that "junk" and homemade "natural". As if- we can't put the "junk" in homemade burger.
I thought it was self explanatory considering I posted this in Health and Fitness section instead of weight loss where newbies are-who are still learning.
It was protein bars -one was cliff and other was costco brand and I ate costco brand because it had more protein and fiber and it allowed me to hit my macros verus Cliff bar which had very low protein and fiber but sugar was high and 50 extra calories versus costco.
So she was like the sugar in Cliff bar is "natural" versus Costco has "chemicals and unnatural ingredients" .
That's why I was asking the knowledgeable audience -if there was a difference between those two lol
I guess, I just shaved off few mins off of my life /sarcasm
Send him/her to the http://dhmo.org/ website and watch the fun begin.
Their FAQ is pure gold. That is scary sounding stuff indeed!
Excerpt:Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.
The whole thing is pretty swell, all the stuff is there, right down to the connection to cancer, and the warning about a fake spam email. And every word is true, as far as I've read. I posted the link on Facebook once, with a note that people ought to check it out. Results: Priceless.7 -
Chemistry jokes making people look stupid never get old, lol9
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I was reading this thread yesterday and thinking I should pick up some Doritos. Haven't had them in a long time. And then the "free Friday" offering email from the grocery store came in and it is Doritos!
Think I may need to pick up some tin foil at the store too.
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I was reading this thread yesterday and thinking I should pick up some Doritos. Haven't had them in a long time. And then the "free Friday" offering email from the grocery store came in and it is Doritos!
Think I may need to pick up some tin foil at the store too.
http://www.quirkbooks.com/post/worst-case-wednesday-how-make-effective-tinfoil-hat12 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »I was reading this thread yesterday and thinking I should pick up some Doritos. Haven't had them in a long time. And then the "free Friday" offering email from the grocery store came in and it is Doritos!
Think I may need to pick up some tin foil at the store too.
http://www.quirkbooks.com/post/worst-case-wednesday-how-make-effective-tinfoil-hat
Make sure your pets are protected too...
https://www.amazon.com/Archie-McPhee-Foil-Hats-Conspiracy/dp/B07C169XZT/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1525548822&sr=8-25&keywords=tinfoil+hat5 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »I was reading this thread yesterday and thinking I should pick up some Doritos. Haven't had them in a long time. And then the "free Friday" offering email from the grocery store came in and it is Doritos!
Think I may need to pick up some tin foil at the store too.
http://www.quirkbooks.com/post/worst-case-wednesday-how-make-effective-tinfoil-hat
Make sure your pets are protected too...
https://www.amazon.com/Archie-McPhee-Foil-Hats-Conspiracy/dp/B07C169XZT/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1525548822&sr=8-25&keywords=tinfoil+hat
Don't do it
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/11 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »I was reading this thread yesterday and thinking I should pick up some Doritos. Haven't had them in a long time. And then the "free Friday" offering email from the grocery store came in and it is Doritos!
Think I may need to pick up some tin foil at the store too.
http://www.quirkbooks.com/post/worst-case-wednesday-how-make-effective-tinfoil-hat
Make sure your pets are protected too...
https://www.amazon.com/Archie-McPhee-Foil-Hats-Conspiracy/dp/B07C169XZT/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1525548822&sr=8-25&keywords=tinfoil+hat
Those look like cat head sized underwear!4 -
bennettinfinity wrote: »nettiklive wrote: »nettiklive wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »I found the secret to a zesty Mac and cheese, from a careful reading of the commercial ingredient list. I add dry mustard powder or curry. For that attractive orange colour, a little paprika.
My kids loved cream cheese with beet juice as color. It came out a pinkish red color and it was fun for them.
My poor kids getting hypnotized and drawn in by the fun color of beets. What a terrible mom I was. Lol
No you weren't, because you chose a natural method to add that color. Why didn't you just add in food coloring? According to the thread, there is no benefit in using beet juice instead of red food dye.
Waiting for the argument now that red dye is actually made from insects so it's in fact natural...
I'm only up to here in this fun and fascinating thread, but I just had to post this:
(From two years ago)
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/08/news/companies/kraft-mac-and-cheese-recipe/index.html
Notice anything different about your mac & cheese lately?
No? Don't worry, nobody else did either.
Kraft Heinz removed artificial preservatives, flavors and dyes from its mac & cheese recipe in December. To keep its yellow-orange glow, Kraft swapped out artificial food colors, including yellow 5 and yellow 6, for natural spices like paprika, annatto and turmeric.
The company is calling it "the world's largest blind taste test."
I didn't because i haven't eaten it since I was 12 and we were broke just-arrived immigrants getting our food from a food bank (in case anyone thinks my 'elitist' views stem from being privileged all my life).
But good for Kraft. And again proves my point. More and more companies are now doing this and increasingly these artificial additives are getting pushed to the sidelines of the market. Because consumers are becoming more aware of the importance of what they are eating and demanding it. Why though? I mean, according to this thread, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with any of this stuff in our food. Why then are companies bothering to remove it?
For the same reason Coke (or was it Pepsi?) removed aspartame from their diet version; marketing to the woo.
Thanks to social media, we now live in a post-factual world... Facts don't matter - only feelings. And chemicalz are scary.
Well to be fair any company selling a product to the public only cares about public opinion, they have no reason to care about anything else. I don't really blame them except I feel that they perhaps misread their market by listening to the loudest amongst them rather than the majority. I think the majority of people care more about the taste than what particular sweetener is in their drink, although I could be wrong.3
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