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"Natural foods" vs "others"
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Here’s a world map showing areas of the world where natural groundwater contains more than 1.5 ppm fluoride. Natural groundwater contains dissolved minerals to varying degree much of which is good for us.
https://www.oralanswers.com/a-world-map-showing-naturally-fluoridated-water/
So, if fluoride in water is natural, how is adding it to the water suddenly harmful, just because of a little human intervention?6 -
Processed industrial foods for me, please!
(In moderation, of course. Oh, and extra sugar with that, please)
www.livescience.com/62689-otzi-iceman-mummy-heart-disease.html4 -
Since this thread is still going on, I had a question because many knowledgeable users posted here.
Is there such thing as "I have a fast metabolism" and "My metabolism sucks" - I end up getting fat even if I eat little bit of extra? I've heard many people say this but I've been always iffy about it because I didn't know anything so I just keep my mouth shut.
Also, some say I have "good genetics" -what do they mean when they say that? In regards to fitness and all- just providing context.0 -
Since this thread is still going on, I had a question because many knowledgeable users posted here.
Is there such thing as "I have a fast metabolism" and "My metabolism sucks" - I end up getting fat even if I eat little bit of extra? I've heard many people say this but I've been always iffy about it because I didn't know anything so I just keep my mouth shut.
Also, some say I have "good genetics" -what do they mean when they say that? In regards to fitness and all- just providing context.
Here's a video on "slow metabolism"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGLwzbvx4S4 7 -
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Since this thread is still going on, I had a question because many knowledgeable users posted here.
Is there such thing as "I have a fast metabolism" and "My metabolism sucks" - I end up getting fat even if I eat little bit of extra? I've heard many people say this but I've been always iffy about it because I didn't know anything so I just keep my mouth shut.
Also, some say I have "good genetics" -what do they mean when they say that? In regards to fitness and all- just providing context.
Here's a video on "slow metabolism"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGLwzbvx4S4
WOW I don't know why but I found this so funny and I laughed more than I should've1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Since this thread is still going on, I had a question because many knowledgeable users posted here.
Is there such thing as "I have a fast metabolism" and "My metabolism sucks" - I end up getting fat even if I eat little bit of extra? I've heard many people say this but I've been always iffy about it because I didn't know anything so I just keep my mouth shut.
Also, some say I have "good genetics" -what do they mean when they say that? In regards to fitness and all- just providing context.
Here's a video on "slow metabolism"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGLwzbvx4S4
WOW I don't know why but I found this so funny and I laughed more than I should've
In short there is going to be some variation, but not nearly as much as some people would like to believe. People who are "naturally thin" or have a "high metabolism" likely move more that others realize, or eat less than others realize. You might see your thin friend eating a large meal, but maybe that's the only thing he/she has eaten all day, or maybe they walk more, fidget more, take the stairs at work. You just don't know without being with that person all the time.
Of course, there are medical conditions which can alter the equation.
If you want to jump down a YouTube rabbit hole, watch "Secret Eaters."
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Since this thread is still going on, I had a question because many knowledgeable users posted here.
Is there such thing as "I have a fast metabolism" and "My metabolism sucks" - I end up getting fat even if I eat little bit of extra? I've heard many people say this but I've been always iffy about it because I didn't know anything so I just keep my mouth shut.
Also, some say I have "good genetics" -what do they mean when they say that? In regards to fitness and all- just providing context.
This also has some good insights, if you haven't seen it before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoRh5-gCCrc
It's undeniable that some of us burn more or fewer calories than others of the same height/weight/age/etc., but "metabolism" (i.e., some aspect of basal metabolic rate (BMR)) is one of the least likely sources of that variation.
This article, from a generally-respected, science-oriented site, gives an overview of the question, and includes some references:
https://examine.com/nutrition/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/3 -
Basically , there is no definitive answer. However, when they say -"fast or slow" they may either be eating more or less than they think they did. Or moving more or less than they thought.
Btw - wouldn't someone with more "muscle" actually have higher caloric requirements than someone at the same height, body weight, age and what not? so in essence they would have higher maintenance requirement and that in itself could be misunderstood as faster metabolism -yeah?0 -
Basically , there is no definitive answer. However, when they say -"fast or slow" they may either be eating more or less than they think they did. Or moving more or less than they thought.
Btw - wouldn't someone with more "muscle" actually have higher caloric requirements than someone at the same height, body weight, age and what not? so in essence they would have higher maintenance requirement and that in itself could be misunderstood as faster metabolism -yeah?
There's an effect, though maybe not as big as you might think. Daily activity and exercise can easily overcome the difference.
If you use the Katch McCardle TDEE formula body fat percentage is taken into account. For two average males at the same height and weight and activity level, but a 5% difference in body fat, the one with less body fat would have a higher TDEE by maybe 60-80 calories/day. It's a measurable difference, but easily overcome by other factors.3 -
Since this thread is still going on, I had a question because many knowledgeable users posted here.
Is there such thing as "I have a fast metabolism" and "My metabolism sucks" - I end up getting fat even if I eat little bit of extra? I've heard many people say this but I've been always iffy about it because I didn't know anything so I just keep my mouth shut.
Also, some say I have "good genetics" -what do they mean when they say that? In regards to fitness and all- just providing context.
From a biochemical perspective statements about "fast" or "slow" metabolism don't make sense, speed isn't the issue. Metabolism is just a series of chemical reactions, the "speed" is fixed and even if it was variable why would that matter? If you utilize 100 calories fast or 100 calories slow, it will still be 100 calories.
If such a phenomenon of variable energy yields from the same foods for different people did exist it would come down to something like efficiency of digestion not metabolism. In other words a person who is said to have a "fast metabolism" because they can eat a lot of food but not gain weight might simply have digestive issues where they do not yield the same amount of digested food as someone else. Someone with a "slow metabolism" who seems to gain weight easily might have an extremely efficient digestive system that gets almost full yield out of the food they eat. In those cases the first person might eat 1000 calories of food and only get 600 calories out of it where the second person eats 1000 calories of food and gets 950 calories out of it.
I'm not saying that sort of thing exists in any substantive way but that is at least a more realistic possibility. The idea of a "fast" or "slow" metabolism just doesn't really make sense to me simply because speed is irrelevant. There are certainly body types that require more calories for maintenance than others like your example of high muscle, but that isn't about speed of metabolism that is about total caloric need for maintenance.5 -
Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?1
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Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
The older people that we see today are the survivors of their generations. People have suffered untimely deaths and failed to reach old age for all of human history so I'm not sure what looking at the (relatively few) people who reach the age of 100+ is supposed to demonstrate to us.3 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
If this actually were the case, obesity rates (especially in pre-teens, teenagers and young adults) wouldn't be skyrocketing as they have been in the last 20 years. Part of the problem is that the majority of adults and children are way more sedentary now than they were a generation or two ago. Add in the availability and relative inexpense of high-calorie, extremely palatable food and, combined with inactivity, you have the combo for rampant obesity.
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janejellyroll wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
The older people that we see today are the survivors of their generations. People have suffered untimely deaths and failed to reach old age for all of human history so I'm not sure what looking at the (relatively few) people who reach the age of 100+ is supposed to demonstrate to us.
Indeed they have survived .. which is my point. If it was so vital for us to eat as strictly as some of us do then we wouldn’t have many people around that live past 70. I think the world has made these health phases more of a trend .. it’s fashionable to be vegan, fashionable to be gluten free (unless you do suffer from coeliac disease)2 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
The older people that we see today are the survivors of their generations. People have suffered untimely deaths and failed to reach old age for all of human history so I'm not sure what looking at the (relatively few) people who reach the age of 100+ is supposed to demonstrate to us.
Indeed they have survived .. which is my point. If it was so vital for us to eat as strictly as some of us do then we wouldn’t have many people around that live past 70. I think the world has made these health phases more of a trend .. it’s fashionable to be vegan, fashionable to be gluten free (unless you do suffer from coeliac disease)
They did survive, lots of their peers are dead. They are the minority. To conclude on that basis that our dietary and fitness choices are meaningless doesn't make sense.
Studies show that there are dietary and activity patterns that are associated with better health outcomes and longer lives.
You seem to be arguing that there are a set number of people who will live past 70 and there's nothing we can do to alter that. On a population level, we *can* alter the average life span. A portion of that is beyond the control of individuals, but a portion of it is related to choices around diet, activity, and body weight.3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
If this actually were the case, obesity rates (especially in pre-teens, teenagers and young adults) wouldn't be skyrocketing as they have been in the last 20 years. Part of the problem is that the majority of adults and children are way more sedentary now than they were a generation or two ago. Add in the availability and relative inexpense of high-calorie, extremely palatable food and, combined with inactivity, you have the combo for rampant obesity.
Yeah it feels like a lot of people do abuse the food we have, if everyone learned to move more and eat moderately then it would help tackle the obesity crisis2 -
I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.3 -
I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.
I feel that overindulgence is a result of people who have a lack of willpower and greed.11 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.
I feel that overindulgence is a result of people who have a lack of willpower and greed.
Wow. I suppose that's one way to phrase it, but as someone who's struggled with binge eating due to anxiety and depression, it certainly is one of the least charitable ways to phrase it that I've ever seen.17 -
Hubby described people pulling a salary as “greedy” today. I suggested maybe they are just trying to make a living.
When does overindulgence cross the line in to greed?
Maybe with this.
https://toakchocolate.com3 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.
I feel that overindulgence is a result of people who have a lack of willpower and greed.
Overindulgence is a lack of greed? How so? Or did you mean something else and just missed a semicolon or something?6 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.
I feel that overindulgence is a result of people who have a lack of willpower and greed.
Overindulgence is a lack of greed? How so? Or did you mean something else and just missed a semicolon or something?
I hate to speak for someone else, but, I'm pretty sure it was "lack of willpower" and "greed", not a lack of willpower and a lack of greed.
But, I think you already knew that...0 -
Genuinely curious about the first sentence - your husband thinks that people who make a salary are greedy? In what way? All people, all professions? Or was he referring to a particular person/group at his own place of work?Hubby described people pulling a salary as “greedy” today. I suggested maybe they are just trying to make a living.
When does overindulgence cross the line in to greed?
Maybe with this.
https://toakchocolate.com
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Mandylou19912014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
The older people that we see today are the survivors of their generations. People have suffered untimely deaths and failed to reach old age for all of human history so I'm not sure what looking at the (relatively few) people who reach the age of 100+ is supposed to demonstrate to us.
Indeed they have survived .. which is my point. If it was so vital for us to eat as strictly as some of us do then we wouldn’t have many people around that live past 70. I think the world has made these health phases more of a trend .. it’s fashionable to be vegan, fashionable to be gluten free (unless you do suffer from coeliac disease)
Dietary choices are only one factor to consider when looking at the health of a population. Genetics, access to medical care, external environmental factors are just a few others. A huge contributing factor to the increase in life span are advances in diagnostic testing enabling earlier treatment for potentially life threatening illnesses.
Pretty sure those have far more to do with the fact that you see evidence of an aging population as a sign that our current dietary trends are unnecessary.0 -
KeithWhiteJr wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.
I feel that overindulgence is a result of people who have a lack of willpower and greed.
Overindulgence is a lack of greed? How so? Or did you mean something else and just missed a semicolon or something?
I hate to speak for someone else, but, I'm pretty sure it was "lack of willpower" and "greed", not a lack of willpower and a lack of greed.
But, I think you already knew that...
Shhh....let me grammar nazi in peace.7 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I don’t know if overindulgence is abuse per se.
I also don’t think the issue is related to lack of learning. If anything we are bombarded with information of varying quality.
I think overindulgence is a result of ready accessibility and bad habits.
I feel that overindulgence is a result of people who have a lack of willpower and greed.
Overindulgence is a lack of greed? How so? Or did you mean something else and just missed a semicolon or something?
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Mandylou19912014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Think about all the older generation living into their hundreds .. they survived when there wasn’t things like “gluten free” “vegans” “lactose free” etc they ate whatever they could afford .. it’s only in the last ... 20 years or so (random guess) that I would say the world has become health and fitness mad. Like .. literally mad, food is food .. it all contains some form of chemical, it all has some form of negative side effect or someone somewhere is allergic to it. Just eat what you want?
The older people that we see today are the survivors of their generations. People have suffered untimely deaths and failed to reach old age for all of human history so I'm not sure what looking at the (relatively few) people who reach the age of 100+ is supposed to demonstrate to us.
Indeed they have survived .. which is my point. If it was so vital for us to eat as strictly as some of us do then we wouldn’t have many people around that live past 70. I think the world has made these health phases more of a trend .. it’s fashionable to be vegan, fashionable to be gluten free (unless you do suffer from coeliac disease)
Consider the possibility that the people with serious food sensitivities, in yesteryear (whenever that was), might have then died in childhood . . . something that was once sadly common, and now very rare indeed. Today, they live to adulthood, swim in the gene pool, and become more common. Modern medicine (broadly speaking) is an amazing thing.
Fundamentally, I sympathize with the idea that some segment of people with "sensitivities" are being all trendy and "princess and the pea" because they have too little of serious import to worry about. But some are telling the truth. How should any of the rest of us tell them apart?1 -
Maybe overindulgence is the lack of hoarding? Just thinking it through.2
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There's another factor that has nothing to do with overindulgence or hoarding. It's called "not having enough".
https://fstoppers.com/food/what-week-groceries-looks-around-world-3251
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA9AdlhB18o&list=PL8nuQfpVvyyWVaJSp7A60KW7OOWBq-VTL
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